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House of Commons

 
 

Thursday 8 September 2011

 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings

 

Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of


 

Offenders Bill


 

[Ninth AND Tenth Sittings]


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  22

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  8,  leave out ‘the individual’s rights’ and insert ‘any rights of

 

the individual’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  23

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  8,  leave out ‘under European Union law’ and insert ‘that are

 

enforceable EU rights’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Negatived on division  96

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  11,  before ‘any’, insert ‘the interests of justice, including’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  97

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  12,  at end insert—

 

‘(c)    

that there is significant wider public interest in the resolution of the case,

 

(d)    

that the case is of overwhelming importance to the individual, or

 

(e)    

that should the individual represent himself this would create obvious

 

unfairness in all the circumstances of the case.

 

(3A)    

For the purposes of subsection (3)(c), exceptional funding should be provided

 

where, in the particular circumstances of the case, the provision of legal services

 

under this Part is likely to produce significant benefits for a class of person, other

 

than the individual and members of the individual’s family.

 

(3B)    

For the purposes of subsection (3)(d), exceptional funding should be provided

 

where a case has exceptional importance to the client, beyond the monetary value

 

(if any) of the claim, because the case concerns the life, liberty or physical safety

 

of the client or his or her family, or a roof over their heads or raises other

 

significant human rights issues.’.

 

Kate Green

 

Negatived on division  226

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  12,  at end add—


 
 

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‘(c)    

that the individual is a child, or is without mental capacity’.

 

Kate Green

 

Not called  227

 

Clause  9,  page  6,  line  33,  at end add—

 

‘(7)    

Civil legal services are to be available to an individual on a means tested basis for

 

advice and assistance to prepare an application for funding undert subsection

 

(2)(a).’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  24

 

Clause  10,  page  6,  line  38,  leave out ‘section’ and insert ‘paragraph’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  98

 

Clause  10,  page  6,  line  42,  leave out from ‘particular’ to ‘reflect’ in line 43 and

 

insert ‘ensure the criteria’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  99

 

Clause  10,  page  7,  line  19,  at end insert—

 

‘(3A)    

In determining whether an individual qualifies for civil legal services under this

 

Part, nothing in any regulations produced by the Lord Chancellor shall preclude

 

the provision of services on the basis of the availability of alternative sources of

 

funding save where the Director can show:

 

(a)    

an alternative source of funding is practicably accessible to the individual

 

in all the circumstances of the case,

 

(b)    

it is reasonable to expect the individual to access this alternative source

 

of funding, and

 

(c)    

funding by this alternative route does not substantially prevent the

 

indivudual from being fairly compensated by an award of damages.’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Negatived on division  100

 

Clause  10,  page  7,  line  25,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

But the Director must determine that an individual qualifies for civil legal

 

services where the services relate to a matter falling within paragraph 10 of

 

Schedule 1 and—

 

(a)    

the individual has been admitted to a refuge for persons suffering from

 

domestic abuse,

 

(b)    

the individual has obtained medical or other professional services

 

relating to the consequences of domestic abuse, or

 

(c)    

an assessment for the purpose of possible mediation of a family dispute

 

has concluded that the parties need not engage in mediation as a result of

 

domestic abuse, and in this subsection “domestic abuse” means abuse of

 

the kind to which paragraph 10(1) of Schedule 1 relates.’.


 
 

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Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  101

 

Clause  11,  page  7,  line  32,  at end insert—

 

‘(1A)    

A determination that an individual does not qualify under this Part for civil legal

 

services must be fully reasoned and communicated in writing to the individual or

 

his representative.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  102

 

Clause  12,  page  8,  line  23,  leave out from ‘premises’ to end of line 11 on page 9.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  103

 

Clause  12,  page  8,  line  23,  leave out from ‘premises’ to ‘determination’ in line 25.

 

Karl Turner

 

Negatived on division  15

 

Clause  12,  page  8,  line  27,  at end insert ‘and the need to secure that individuals

 

involved in criminal investigations or criminal proceedings have access, regardless of

 

their means, to such advice, assistance and representation as the interests of justice

 

require’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  104

 

Clause  12,  page  8,  line  28,  leave out subsection (3) and insert—

 

‘(2A)    

Regulations may require the Director to make a determinatio n in a form and

 

manner which complies with regulations save insofar as subsection (3) applies.

 

(3)    

The Director may not make a determination that an individual does not qualify

 

for advice and assistance under this section by reference to—

 

(a)    

section 20 (financial eligibility) and regulations under that section, or

 

(b)    

the interests of justice.’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  105

 

Clause  12,  page  9,  line  18,  leave out subsection (9).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  25

 

Clause  13,  page  9,  line  40,  leave out ‘body’ and insert ‘, person’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  106

 

Clause  14,  page  9,  line  43,  leave out ‘may’ and insert ‘must’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  26

 

Clause  14,  page  10,  line  8,  leave out ‘or other body’ and insert ‘, tribunal or other

 

person’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  107

 

Clause  14,  page  10,  line  42,  leave out ‘may’ and insert ‘must’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  27

 

Clause  14,  page  10,  line  42,  after ‘court’, insert ‘, tribunal’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  28

 

Clause  15,  page  11,  line  8,  after ‘determined’ insert ‘(provisionally or otherwise)’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  29

 

Clause  15,  page  11,  line  15,  after ‘determined’ insert ‘(provisionally or

 

otherwise)’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  118

 

Clause  15,  page  11,  line  22,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

An individual to whom representation is made available under this Part for the

 

purpose of criminal proceedings may select any representative willing to act for

 

that individual, and where such a selection is made the representation is to be by

 

way of legal services provided by the selected representative.’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  119

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  8,  leave out from ‘determination’ to end and insert ‘the

 

relevant authority must take into account all the circumstances; but it must treat the

 

interests of justice as requiring representation to be made available where’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  120

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  9,  leave out ‘whether’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  121

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  12,  leave out ‘whether’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  122

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  14,  leave out ‘whether’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  123

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  16,  leave out ‘whether’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  124

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  17,  leave out ‘and’ and insert ‘or’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  125

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  18,  leave out ‘whether’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Karl Turner

 

Not called  126

 

Clause  16,  page  12,  line  20,  leave out subsection (3).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  30

 

Clause  17,  page  13,  line  19,  after ‘court’ insert ‘, tribunal’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  31

 

Clause  17,  page  13,  line  23,  leave out ‘and section 19(3)’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  127

 

Clause  17,  page  13,  line  24,  leave out subsection (7).


 
 

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Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  32

 

Clause  17,  page  13,  line  24,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

This section does not authorise the Director to make a provisional determination

 

and accordingly—

 

(a)    

references in this section to a determination do not include a provisional

 

determination, and

 

(b)    

references in this section to a decision do not include a decision made as

 

part of such a determination.’

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  33

 

Clause  18,  page  14,  line  5,  after ‘court’ insert ‘, tribunal’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  34

 

Clause  18,  page  14,  line  10,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

Regulations under this section may not authorise a court to make a provisional

 

determination and accordingly—

 

(a)    

references in this section to a determination do not include a provisional

 

determination, and

 

(b)    

references in this section to a decision do not include a decision made as

 

part of such a determination.’

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  35

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  23,  after ‘of’ insert ‘provisional’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  36

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  24,  after ‘provision’ insert ‘equivalent to that’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  37

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  24,  leave out ‘(h)’ and insert ‘(i)’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  38

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  28,  after second ‘determination’ insert ‘made’.


 
 

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Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  39

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  29,  leave out ‘under section 15’ and insert ‘in reliance on

 

section 17 or 18’.

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Agreed to  40

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  30,  leave out subsection (3).

 

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

 

Agreed to  41

 

Clause  19,  page  14,  line  33,  leave out ‘the regulations’ and insert ‘regulations

 

under this section’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  129

 

Clause  20,  page  15,  line  2,  at beginning insert ‘subject to section 22(11A)’.

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  130

 

Clause  20,  page  15,  line  5,  at beginning insert ‘Subject to section 22(11A)’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clause 21 Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not moved  131

 

Clause  22,  page  17,  line  16,  leave out paragraphs (a) and (b).

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  132

 

Clause  22,  page  18,  line  18,  at end insert—

 

‘(11A)    

The Lord Chancellor may not, in regulations under this Part, make prescriptions

 

which would require—

 

(a)    

an individual with £3,000 or less to make any capital based contribution

 

to the cost of legal services,

 

(b)    

capital, whether real or nominal, in a primary dwelling, to be taken into

 

account when assessing capital eligibility under this section,

 

(c)    

an individual with monthly disposable income of less than £316 to make

 

any income based contribution towards the cost of legal services,

 

(d)    

an individual with monthly disposable income of between £316 and

 

£733, to make a contribution which exceeds 30 per cent of disposable

 

monthly income.


 
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