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House of Commons

 
 

Tuesday 20 November 2012

 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings

 

Public Service Pensions Bill


 

[SEVENTH AND EIGHTH Sittings]


 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  10

 

Clause  11,  page  6,  line  26,  after ‘section 1’, insert ‘which is a defined benefits

 

scheme’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Negatived on division  57

 

Clause  11,  page  6,  line  40,  at end insert—

 

‘(4A)    

Treasury directions under subsection (3) may only be made after consultation

 

with the persons or representatives of the persons who appear to the Treasury to

 

be likely to be affected by the employer cost cap.’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Not called  58

 

Clause  11,  page  7,  line  15,  at end insert ‘provided that they do not have the effect

 

of reducing members’ accrued benefits.’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  59

 

Clause  11,  page  7,  line  19,  leave out ‘negative’ and insert ‘affirmative’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  11

 

Clause  12,  page  7,  line  26,  leave out ‘scheme’ and insert ‘pension fund’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  12

 

Clause  12,  page  7,  line  27,  at end insert ‘, so far as relating to the pension fund’.


 
 

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Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  60

 

Clause  12,  page  7,  line  29,  at end insert ‘or, where a pension scheme consists of

 

more than one fund, separate actuarial valuations of each fund.’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  65

 

Clause  16,  page  9,  line  33,  leave out subsection (4) and insert—

 

‘(4)    

The closing date is 5 April 2015 subject to subsection (7).’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Not called  78

 

Schedule  5,  page  38,  leave out lines 34 to 40.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  29

 

Schedule  5,  page  40,  line  3,  at end insert ‘and compensation benefits’.

 

Schedule, as amended, Agreed to.

 

Clause 17 Agreed to.

 


 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  30

 

Schedule  6,  page  41,  line  27,  at end insert ‘and compensation benefits’.

 

Schedule, as amended, Agreed to.

 

Clause 18 Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  79

 

Schedule  7,  page  42,  line  23,  at end insert ‘and


 
 

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(iii)    

the definition of pensionable earnings under the new scheme

 

will be the same definition as under the old scheme.’.

 

Schedule Agreed to.

 

Clause 19 Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  66

 

Clause  20,  page  11,  line  11,  leave out ‘significant’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  67

 

Clause  20,  page  11,  line  35,  at end insert ‘or in the case of the Local Government

 

Pension Scheme the period of 26 years beginning with 1 April 2014’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Negatived on division  68

 

Clause  20,  page  11,  line  40,  at end insert—

 

‘(d)    

the scheme’s definition of pensionable earnings;

 

(e)    

ill-health benefits;

 

(f)    

early retirement rights.’.

 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Negatived on division  69

 

Clause  20,  page  11,  line  41,  leave out subsection (6).

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Negatived on division  70

 

Clause  21,  page  12,  line  5,  leave out ‘significant’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  73

 

Clause  23,  page  12,  line  40,  at end insert ‘provided that the payment of pension and


 
 

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other benefits under this section does not limit the obligations under schemes under

 

section 1 to provide members with all the benefits set out in the scheme regulations.’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clause 24 Agreed to.

 


 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  31

 

Schedule  8,  page  44,  line  36,  at end insert—

 

‘20C      

A pension payable under a scheme made by the Scottish Ministers under

 

section 1 of the Public Service Pensions Act 2013 by virtue of section 1(2)(d)

 

of that Act (teachers).”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  32

 

Schedule  8,  page  44,  line  41,  at end insert—

 

‘22B      

A pension payable under a scheme made by the Scottish Ministers under

 

section 1 of the Public Service Pensions Act 2013 by virtue of section 1(2)(e)

 

of that Act (health service workers).”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  33

 

Schedule  8,  page  45,  leave out lines 6 to 21.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  34

 

Schedule  8,  page  45,  leave out lines 23 to 25 and insert—

 

‘“39A    

A pension payable under a defined benefits scheme, within the meaning of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013, made by the Secretary of State or the

 

Scottish Ministers under section 1 of that Act by virtue of section 1(2)(c) of

 

that Act (local government workers).”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  35

 

Schedule  8,  page  45,  leave out lines 27 to 30 and insert—

 

‘“43A    

A pension payable under a defined benefits scheme, within the meaning of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013, made by the Secretary of State or Scottish

 

Ministers under section 1 of that Act by virtue of section 1(2)(g) of that Act

 

(police).

 

            

In the case of a scheme made by the Secretary of State, this paragraph does

 

include a pension referred to in paragraph 15B above.”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  36

 

Schedule  8,  page  45,  leave out lines 32 to 35 and insert—

 

‘“44A    

A pension payable under a defined benefits scheme, within the meaning of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013, made by the Secretary of State, Scottish

 

Ministers or Welsh Ministers under section 1 of that Act by virtue of section

 

1(2)(f) of that Act (fire and rescue workers).


 
 

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In the case of a scheme made by the Secretary of State, this paragraph does not

 

include a pension referred to in paragraph 16B above.”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  37

 

Schedule  8,  page  46,  leave out lines 25 to 28 and insert—

 

‘“14B    

A pension payable under a defined benefits scheme, within the meaning of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013, made by a Northern Ireland department

 

under section 1 of that Act by virtue of section 1(2)(c) of that Act (local

 

government workers).”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  38

 

Schedule  8,  page  46,  leave out lines 30 to 33 and insert—

 

‘“16A    

A pension payable under a defined benefits scheme, within the meaning of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013, made by a Northern Ireland department

 

under section 1 of that Act by virtue of section 1(2)(f) of that Act (fire and

 

rescue workers).”’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  39

 

Schedule  8,  page  48,  leave out lines 30 to 33 and insert—

 

‘“(fb)    

a committee of a relevant authority which is the scheme manager (or

 

scheme manager and pension board) of a scheme under section 1 of the

 

Public Service Pensions Act 2013;”.’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  40

 

Schedule  8,  page  49,  line  42,  at end insert—

 

‘Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (c. 21)

 

29A(1)  

Section 214 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (pension rights of persons

 

whose salaries are paid out of the General Lighthouse Fund) is amended as

 

follows.

 

      (2)  

The existing provision is numbered as subsection (1).

 

      (3)  

After that subsection there is inserted—

 

“(2)    

Where pensions, allowances and gratuities to or in respect of persons

 

whose salaries are paid out of the General Lighthouse Fund are

 

payable otherwise than under subsection (1), sums in respect of those

 

benefits may with the approval of the Secretary of State be paid out of

 

that Fund.”’.

 

Schedule, as amended, Agreed to.

 

Clauses 25 and 26 Agreed to.

 

Schedule 9 Agreed to.

 

Clause 27 Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  74

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  21,  after ‘body’, insert ‘final salary’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  13

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  23,  leave out from ‘authority’ to ‘service’ and insert

 

‘responsible for the scheme must make provision to secure that no benefits are provided

 

under the scheme to or in respect of a person in relation to the person’s’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  14

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  24,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

Subsection (2) does not apply—

 

(a)    

in relation to a public body pension scheme which is a defined

 

contributions scheme, or

 

(b)    

to injury or compensation benefits.’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  15

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  25,  after ‘authority’, insert ‘responsible for the scheme’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  16

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  25,  leave out ‘closure’ and insert ‘provision made under

 

subsection (2)’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  17

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  27,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

Provision made under subsection (2) or (3) may in particular be made by

 

amending the public body pension scheme.

 

( )    

In subsection (2), the reference to benefits in relation to a person’s service

 

includes benefits relating to the person’s death in service.’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  18

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  29,  after ‘authority’, insert ‘responsible for the scheme’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  19

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  32,  leave out ‘the scheme closed under subsection (2)’ and

 

insert ‘a scheme to which this section applies’.

 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  20

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  34,  leave out ‘a new scheme’ and insert ‘a new defined

 

benefits scheme in relation to the body or office’.


 
 

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Public Service Pensions Bill, continued

 
 

Chris Leslie

 

Cathy Jamieson

 

Withdrawn  75

 

Clause  28,  page  14,  line  39,  leave out subsection (7)(b).

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Sajid Javid

 

Agreed to  41

 

Schedule  10,  page  54,  line  3,  leave out ‘Northern Lighthouse Board’ and insert

 

‘Commissioners of Northern Lighthouses’.

 

Schedule, as amended, Agreed to.

 

Clauses 29 and 30 Agreed to.

 

[Adjourned until Thursday at 11.30 am


 
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