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House of Commons

 
 

Tuesday 6 May 2014

 

Committee of the whole House

 

Proceedings

 

Wales Bill


 

[SECOND Day]


 

Secretary David Jones

 

Agreed to  19

 

Clause  6,  page  5,  leave out lines 13 and 14.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  32

 

Clause  6,  page  6,  line  20,  after ‘description’, insert ‘, a tax credit of any

 

description’.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  33

 

Clause  6,  page  6,  line  32,  leave out ‘, each House of Parliament and’.

 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Negatived on division  40

 

Clause  6,  page  7,  line  13,  at end insert—

 

‘(10)    

In the event that the power to add new devolved taxes under Section 116C, or the

 

power to add new devolved taxes under Section 80B of the Scotland Act 1998 is

 

used, the Chancellor of the Exchequer must undertake a review of the benefits of

 

symmetry in the devolution of taxes between Wales and Scotland.’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Secretary David Jones

 

Agreed to  20

 

Clause  7,  page  8,  line  20,  at end insert—


 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

‘( )    

In Schedule 7 to GOWA 2006 (legislative competence to make Acts of the

 

Assembly)—

 

(a)    

in Part 2 (general restrictions), after paragraph 4, insert—

 

“4A      

A provision of an Act of the Assembly cannot—

 

(a)    

remove or modify, or confer power by subordinate

 

legislation, to remove or modify, any function of Her

 

Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, or

 

(b)    

confer or impose, or confer power by subordinate

 

legislation to confer or impose, any function on Her

 

Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.”;

 

(b)    

in Part 3 (exceptions from Part 2), after paragraph 7, insert—

 

“Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs

 

7A  (1)  

Part 2 does not prevent a provision of an Act of the

 

Assembly—

 

(a)    

removing or modifying, or conferring power by

 

subordinate legislation to remove or modify, any

 

function of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, or

 

(b)    

conferring or imposing, or conferring power by

 

subordinate legislation to confer or impose, any

 

function on Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs,

 

            

if the following conditions are met.

 

      (2)  

The conditions are—

 

(a)    

that the function relates to a devolved tax, and

 

(b)    

that the Treasury consent to the provision.”’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  7

 

Clause  14,  page  19,  line  5,  at end add—

 

‘(3)    

The Secretary of State shall review the historical volatility of stamp duty land tax

 

revenues in Wales, and place a copy of the review in the Library of the House of

 

Commons.’.

 

Clauses 14 and 15 Agreed to.

 

Schedule 2 Agreed to.

 

Clause 16 Agreed to.

 



 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  8

 

Clause  17,  page  20,  line  29,  at end add—

 

‘(3)    

The Secretary of State shall review the historical volatility of landfill tax revenues

 

in Wales, and place a copy of the review in the Library of the House of

 

Commons.’.

 

Clauses 17 and 18 Agreed to.

 


 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  36

 

Clause  19,  page  21,  line  18,  leave out ‘, with the approval of the Treasury,’.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  37

 

Clause  19,  page  21,  leave out lines 26 to 31 and insert—

 

‘“(1)    

On receipt of notice of an appropriate resolution of the Assembly, the Secretary

 

of State shall by order amend subsection (1A) so as to vary, in the manner

 

indicated by the terms of such resolution, the means by which Welsh Ministers

 

may borrow money.”.’.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Negatived on division  35

 

Clause  19,  page  21,  line  31,  at end insert—

 

‘(6)    

The Secretary of State shall make arrangements for an independent report to be

 

compiled on the issuance of bonds by Welsh Ministers.

 

(7)    

The Secretary of State shall lay a copy of the report specified in subsection (6)

 

before each House of Parliament within three months of this Act being passed.’.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  34

 

Clause  19,  page  21,  line  38,  at end insert ‘and if that amount is more than the

 

amount for which it is substituted it shall not thereafter be reduced below that higher

 

amount’.

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  5

 

Clause  19,  page  21,  line  38,  at end insert—

 

‘(3B)    

The figure mentioned in inserted subsection (3A) shall be recalculated on an

 

annual basis to maintain its value in real terms against inflation.’.


 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Clauses 19 and 20 Agreed to.

 


 

David T. C. Davies

 

Guto Bebb

 

Withdrawn  12

 

Clause  21,  page  23,  line  4,  at end insert—

 

‘(1A)    

In Part 1, in paragraph 9 (Health and health services), after “national health

 

service” insert—

 

            

“Organisation and funding (expenditure and income) of the provision

 

of health services in England to people registered with a GP in Wales

 

and the provision of such services in Wales to people registered with

 

a GP in England.”.’.

 

David T. C. Davies

 

Guto Bebb

 

Not called  13

 

Clause  21,  page  23,  line  17,  at end insert—

 

‘(d)    

the scrutiny of reductions of, and additions to, the block grant to reflect

 

expenditure and income arising from the provision of certain services in

 

England to people resident or otherwise eligible for such services in

 

Wales and the provision of such services in Wales to people resident or

 

otherwise eligible in England.’.

 

David T. C. Davies

 

Guto Bebb

 

Not called  14

 

Clause  21,  page  23,  line  24,  at end insert—

 

‘(g)    

a Welsh Minister responsible for a service falling under section 13(d)

 

(definition of budgetary procedures)’.

 

Secretary David Jones

 

Agreed to  29

 

Clause  21,  page  23,  line  32,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

in sub-paragraph (2), after paragraph (a) insert—

 

“(aa)    

section 119 in so far as it relates to estimated payments

 

for a financial year into the Welsh Consolidated Fund or

 

to the Welsh Ministers, the First Minister or the Counsel

 

General;”;’.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 


 

Mr Mark Harper

 

Not called  17

 

Clause  22,  page  24,  line  46,  leave out ‘and’.


 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Mark Harper

 

Not called  18

 

Clause  22,  page  24,  line  46,  at end insert—

 

‘(ae)    

an estimate of the costs of providing services in Wales to people resident

 

in England; an estimate of the monies received from HM Treasury to

 

fund such provision; and an assessment of the effectiveness of any

 

relevant agreements in place governing cross-border service provision,

 

and’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 


 

REmaining new clauses relating to part 2

 

Review of options for Barnett formula reform

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Negatived on division  NC1

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

The Secretary of State shall make arrangements for a review of options for

 

reforming the Barnett formula in order to meet the objective of calculating the

 

block grant funding for Wales on the basis of need.

 

(2)    

The Secretary of State shall lay a copy of the report of the review mentioned in

 

subsection (1) before each House of Parliament within six months of this Act

 

receiving Royal Assent.’.

 


 

Cross-border health care

 

Mr Mark Harper

 

Not called  NC3

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘After section 1 of the National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006, insert—

 

“1A    

Duty to have regard to impact on services in certain areas

 

In exercising functions relating to the health service, the Welsh Ministers

 

must have regard to the likely impact of those decisions on the provision

 

of health services to persons who reside in an area of England that is close

 

to the border with Wales.”.’.

 


 

Clauses 23 to 27 Agreed to.


 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  38

 

Clause  28,  page  29,  line  34,  after ‘except’, insert ‘sections 8 and 9 and’.

 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  42

 

Clause  28,  page  29,  line  34,  leave out paragraph (2)(b).

 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  39

 

Clause  28,  page  29,  line  36,  at end insert—

 

‘(2A)    

Sections 8 and 9 shall not come into force until a Welsh Government Minister has

 

laid a report before the National Assembly for Wales containing a statement to

 

the effect that the Welsh Government, with regard to the Statement of Funding

 

Policy, is content with the fairness of the arrangements for allocating funding

 

from the UK Government to Wales.

 

(2B)    

Sections 8 and 9 shall be suspended following any substantive reform,

 

amendment or other alteration of the arrangements mentioned in subsection (2A),

 

until the process under subsection (2A) has been repeated.’.

 

Owen Smith

 

Nia Griffith

 

Not called  43

 

Clause  28,  page  29,  line  36,  at end insert—

 

‘( )    

Part 2, except the referendum-related provisions and sections 19 and 20, will

 

come into force the day after the Secretary of State has laid a report before each

 

House of Parliament on the further legislative steps needed to move to a model of

 

reserved powers for the National Assembly for Wales; the report must be laid

 

within six months of this Act receiving Royal Assent.’.

 

Clauses 28 and 29 Agreed to.

 


 

REMAINING NEW CLAUSES

 

Crown Estate in Wales

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Withdrawn  NC7

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘Her Majesty may by Order in Council provide for the transfer of legislative

 

responsibility for the Crown Estate in Wales to the National Assembly for

 

Wales.’.

 



 
 

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Wales Bill, continued

 
 

Crown Estate in Wales:Revenue

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  NC8

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘Revenue raised by the Crown Estate in Wales shall be paid into the Welsh

 

Consolidated Fund.’.

 


 

Crown Estate Commissioner with special responsibility for Wales

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  NC9

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘(1)    

In Schedule 1 to the Crown Estate Act 1961 (Constitution etc of Crown Estate

 

Commissioners), paragraph 1 is amended as follows.

 

(2)    

After sub-paragraph (3) insert—

 

“(3A)    

One of the Commissioners shall be appointed as the Crown Estate

 

Commissioner with special responsibility for Wales, who must be a

 

person who knows about conditions in Wales as they relate to the

 

functions of the Commissioners.”.

 

(3)    

After sub-paragraph (4) insert—

 

“(4A)    

The Crown Estate Commissioner with special responsibility for Wales

 

shall be appointed on the recommendation of the Chancellor of the

 

Exchequer, who shall consult the Welsh Ministers before making that

 

recommendation.”.’.

 


 

Welsh Government Finance Department

 

Jonathan Edwards

 

Hywel Williams

 

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

 

Not called  NC10

 

To move the following Clause:—

 

‘The Welsh Government may, by resolution of the National Assembly for Wales,

 

rename its finance department and this shall be recognised as its official title in

 

all dealings with the Treasury.’.

 



 
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