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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Thursday 18th May 2000

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1 London Local Authorities Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for consideration of the London Local Authorities Bill [Lords], as amended in the Committee;

    Ordered, That the Bill be considered on Thursday 25th May.

2 Mersey Tunnels Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Mersey Tunnels Bill;

    Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Thursday 25th May.

3 Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Dr Ashok Kumar reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4 Police Bill,—Mr Andrew Mackinlay presented a Bill to make provision to regulate the use of the term 'police' and related terms; to amend the law relating to the powers of certain constables; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 9th June and to be printed [Bill 128].

5 Pardon for Soldiers of the Great War Bill,—Mr Andrew Mackinlay, supported by Mr Syd Rapson, Mr Lindsay Hoyle, Dr Norman A. Godman, Mr Phil Sawford, Mr Tony Benn, Mr Kelvin Hopkins, Mr Dennis Skinner, Mr Ronnie Campbell, Mr John Cryer and Mrs Llin Golding, presented a Bill to provide for the granting of pardons to soldiers of the British Empire Forces executed during the Great War of 1914 to 1919 following conviction for offences of cowardice, desertion or attempted desertion, disobedience, quitting post, violence, sleeping at post, throwing away arms or striking a superior officer; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 9th June and to be printed [Bill 129].

6 Care Standards Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Care Standards Bill [Lords];

    And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and add the words 'this House, whilst supporting the principles of improved quality of delivery of social care, and in particular greater protection to the most vulnerable, declines to give a Second Reading to the Care Standards Bill [Lords] because its approach is unnecessarily bureaucratic and intrusive, it fails to extend proper regulatory protection to all patients in acute hospitals, it makes insufficient progress towards improving adoption procedures, it will impose substantial additional cost burdens on social care providers at a time when the quality of care provision is being eroded by inadequate funding, without putting in place mechanisms to balance the obligations of higher quality with a guarantee of proper levels of payment, and it depends excessively on regulations which renders proper scrutiny of the Bill impossible', instead thereof.—(Dr Liam Fox.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

    Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 120.

    Tellers for the Noes, Mr Tony McNulty, Mr David Jamieson: 274.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading):—It was agreed to.

    The Bill was accordingly read a second time and stood committed to a Standing Committee.

7 Care Standards Bill [Lords] [Money],—Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Care Standards Bill [Lords] [Money];

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Care Standards Bill [Lords], it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of—

    (a) any expenditure incurred by a Minister of the Crown under the Act; and

    (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment—(Mr Clive Betts):—It was agreed to.

8 Business of the House,—Ordered, That, at the sitting on 23rd May, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of the proceedings on the Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to insurance for Members and payment of legal expenses to the honourable Member for Mid-Worcestershire not later than one and a half hours after the commencement of the proceedings on the first such Motion, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved.—(Mr Clive Betts.)

9 Scottish Grand Committee,—Ordered, That the Scottish Grand Committee shall meet at Westminster on Monday 12th June at half-past Four o'clock to consider a substantive Motion for the adjournment of the Committee, the proceedings to be interrupted at Seven o'clock.—(Mr Clive Betts.)

10 Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Clive Betts.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-two minutes to Eight o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 7.38 p.m.

Betty Boothroyd
Speaker

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmtive Resolution:

1 Industrial Organisation and Development,—Draft Horticultural Development Council (Amendment) Order 2000 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

2 Census,—Census Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 168), dated 15th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

3 Land Registration,—Land Registry (Fees) Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 167), dated 12th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

4 Local Government,—Local Government (General Grant) Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 160), dated 9th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

5 London Government,—(1) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Ealing) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1286),

    (2) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Enfield) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1287),

    (3) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Greenwich) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1288),

    (4) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hackney) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1289),

    (5) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1290),

    (6) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Haringey) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1291),

    (7) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Havering) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1292),

    (8) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hillingdon) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1293),

dated 11th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

6 Merchant Shipping,—(1) Merchant Shipping (Load Line) (Amendment) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1335), and

    (2) The Merchant Shipping (Survey and Certification) (Amendment) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1334),

dated 16th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

Other Papers:

7 Broadcasting,—Report and Financial Statements of the Radio Authority for 1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

8 Education (Northern Ireland),—Department of Education (Northern Ireland) Minute, dated 15th May 2000, concerning a contingent liability consequent upon indemnification of the trustees of St. Genevieve's High School, Belfast, for potential cost commitments arising from a private finance initiative contract [by Command] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

9 Liaison,—Government Response to the First Report from the Liaison Committee, Session 1999-2000, on Shifting the Balance: Select Committees and the Executive [by Command] [Cm. 4737] [Margaret Beckett].

10 Public Processions (Northern Ireland),—Accounts of the Parades Commission for Northern Ireland for 1998-99, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 515] [Clerk of the House].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1 Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Functions) Order 2000, and the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to Scottish Ministers etc.) Order 2000,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Tony Worthington from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Maria Fyfe.

2 Draft Code of Practice: Access to Workers during Recognition and Derecognition Ballots,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Richard Page from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Code); and nominated in substitution Mr Nick Gibb.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

1 Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Cultural Property: Return and Illicit Trade]; to be printed [No. 371-v] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

2 Defence,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 17th May [Lessons of Kosovo]; to be printed [No. 347-vii] [Mr Bruce George].

3 Health,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Health Committee [Provision of NHS Mental Health Services]; to be printed [No. 373-vi] [Mr David Hinchliffe].

4 International Development,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [After Seattle—The World Trade Organisation and Developing Countries]; to be printed [No. 227-vi] [Mr Bowen Wells].

5 Trade and Industry,—(1) Ninth Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [Proposed Public Private Partnership for BNFL], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 307]; and

    (2) Seventh Special Report from the Committee [Government Observations on the Seventh Report from the Trade and Industry Committee, Session 1999-2000, on Business, Enterprise and the Budget]; to be printed [No. 514] [Mr Martin O'Neill].

CORRIGENDUM

In the Votes and Proceedings of 17th May 2000, item 9 in Appendix II should have read as follows:

Draft Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Colin Burgon from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Tony Clarke.

Supplement to the Votes and Proceedings Thursday 18th May 2000 Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall
[pursuant to the Order of 24th May 1999]

The Sitting commenced at half-past Two o'clock.

1	Adjournment (Future of the construction industry),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Sitting be now adjourned—(Mr David Clelland);
	And the sitting having continued for three hours, it was adjourned without Question put, till Tuesday 23rd May.
[Adjourned at 5.30 p.m.
*Sir Alan Haselhurst* *Deputy Speaker*

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1	London Local Authorities Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for consideration of the London Local Authorities Bill [Lords], as amended in the Committee;
	Ordered, That the Bill be considered on Thursday 25th May.
2	Mersey Tunnels Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Mersey Tunnels Bill;
	Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Thursday 25th May.
3	Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Dr Ashok Kumar reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000.
	Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4	Police Bill,—Mr Andrew Mackinlay presented a Bill to make provision to regulate the use of the term 'police' and related terms; to amend the law relating to the powers of certain constables; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 9th June and to be printed [Bill 128].
5	Pardon for Soldiers of the Great War Bill,—Mr Andrew Mackinlay, supported by Mr Syd Rapson, Mr Lindsay Hoyle, Dr Norman A. Godman, Mr Phil Sawford, Mr Tony Benn, Mr Kelvin Hopkins, Mr Dennis Skinner, Mr Ronnie Campbell, Mr John Cryer and Mrs Llin Golding, presented a Bill to provide for the granting of pardons to soldiers of the British Empire Forces executed during the Great War of 1914 to 1919 following conviction for offences of cowardice, desertion or attempted desertion, disobedience, quitting post, violence, sleeping at post, throwing away arms or striking a superior officer; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 9th June and to be printed [Bill 129].
6	Care Standards Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Care Standards Bill [Lords];
	And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;
	An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and add the words 'this House, whilst supporting the principles of improved quality of delivery of social care, and in particular greater protection to the most vulnerable, declines to give a Second Reading to the Care Standards Bill [Lords] because its approach is unnecessarily bureaucratic and intrusive, it fails to extend proper regulatory protection to all patients in acute hospitals, it makes insufficient progress towards improving adoption procedures, it will impose substantial additional cost burdens on social care providers at a time when the quality of care provision is being eroded by inadequate funding, without putting in place mechanisms to balance the obligations of higher quality with a guarantee of proper levels of payment, and it depends excessively on regulations which renders proper scrutiny of the Bill impossible', instead thereof.—(Dr Liam Fox.)
	And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;
	The House divided.
	Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 120.
	Tellers for the Noes, Mr Tony McNulty, Mr David Jamieson: 274.
	So the Question was negatived.
	And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading):—It was agreed to.
	The Bill was accordingly read a second time and stood committed to a Standing Committee.
7	Care Standards Bill [Lords] [Money],—Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Care Standards Bill [Lords] [Money];
	A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Care Standards Bill [Lords], it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of—
	(a) any expenditure incurred by a Minister of the Crown under the Act; and
	(b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment—(Mr Clive Betts):—It was agreed to.
8	Business of the House,—Ordered, That, at the sitting on 23rd May, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of the proceedings on the Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to insurance for Members and payment of legal expenses to the honourable Member for Mid-Worcestershire not later than one and a half hours after the commencement of the proceedings on the first such Motion, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved.—(Mr Clive Betts.)
9	Scottish Grand Committee,—Ordered, That the Scottish Grand Committee shall meet at Westminster on Monday 12th June at half-past Four o'clock to consider a substantive Motion for the adjournment of the Committee, the proceedings to be interrupted at Seven o'clock.—(Mr Clive Betts.)
10	Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Clive Betts.)
	And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-two minutes to Eight o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 7.38 p.m.
*Betty Boothroyd* *Speaker*
Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.
APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmtive Resolution:
1	Industrial Organisation and Development,—Draft Horticultural Development Council (Amendment) Order 2000 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2	Census,—Census Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 168), dated 15th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
3	Land Registration,—Land Registry (Fees) Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 167), dated 12th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
4	Local Government,—Local Government (General Grant) Order (Northern Ireland) 2000 (S.R. (N.I.), 2000, No. 160), dated 9th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
5	London Government,—(1) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Ealing) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1286),
	(2) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Enfield) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1287),
	(3) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Greenwich) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1288),
	(4) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hackney) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1289),
	(5) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1290),
	(6) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Haringey) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1291),
	(7) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Havering) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1292),
	(8) GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Hillingdon) Designation Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1293),
	dated 11th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
6	Merchant Shipping,—(1) Merchant Shipping (Load Line) (Amendment) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1335), and
	(2) The Merchant Shipping (Survey and Certification) (Amendment) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 1334),
	dated 16th May 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
Other Papers:
7	Broadcasting,—Report and Financial Statements of the Radio Authority for 1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
8	Education (Northern Ireland),—Department of Education (Northern Ireland) Minute, dated 15th May 2000, concerning a contingent liability consequent upon indemnification of the trustees of St. Genevieve's High School, Belfast, for potential cost commitments arising from a private finance initiative contract [by Command] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
9	Liaison,—Government Response to the First Report from the Liaison Committee, Session 1999-2000, on Shifting the Balance: Select Committees and the Executive [by Command] [Cm. 4737] [Margaret Beckett].
10	Public Processions (Northern Ireland),—Accounts of the Parades Commission for Northern Ireland for 1998-99, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 515] [Clerk of the House].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
1	Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Functions) Order 2000, and the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to Scottish Ministers etc.) Order 2000,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Tony Worthington from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Maria Fyfe.
2	Draft Code of Practice: Access to Workers during Recognition and Derecognition Ballots,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Richard Page from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Code); and nominated in substitution Mr Nick Gibb.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1	Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Cultural Property: Return and Illicit Trade]; to be printed [No. 371-v] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].
2	Defence,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 17th May [Lessons of Kosovo]; to be printed [No. 347-vii] [Mr Bruce George].
3	Health,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Health Committee [Provision of NHS Mental Health Services]; to be printed [No. 373-vi] [Mr David Hinchliffe].
4	International Development,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [After Seattle—The World Trade Organisation and Developing Countries]; to be printed [No. 227-vi] [Mr Bowen Wells].
5	Trade and Industry,—(1) Ninth Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [Proposed Public Private Partnership for BNFL], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 307]; and
	(2) Seventh Special Report from the Committee [Government Observations on the Seventh Report from the Trade and Industry Committee, Session 1999-2000, on Business, Enterprise and the Budget]; to be printed [No. 514] [Mr Martin O'Neill].

CORRIGENDUM
In the Votes and Proceedings of 17th May 2000, item 9 in Appendix II should have read as follows:
	Draft Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Colin Burgon from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Tony Clarke.