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The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1 Mersey Tunnels Bill,-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Mersey Tunnels Bill;
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Tuesday 5th March.
2 Home Energy Conservation Bill,-Mr John Cummings reported from Standing Committee C, That it had gone through the Home Energy Conservation Bill, and made Amendments thereunto, and had amended the Title as follows:
A Bill to make further provision about energy conservation in relation to residential housing; to make further provision about the eradication of fuel poverty; to amend the definition of house in multiple occupation in Part 2 of the Housing Act 1985; to amend the law relating to registration schemes for houses in multiple occupation; and for connected purposes.
Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered on Friday 10th May; and to be printed [Bill 100].
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 657].
3 Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr John Butterfill reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft ABRO Trading Fund Order 2002.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4 Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr David Chidgey reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation draft Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating and National Insurance Funds Payments) Order 2002.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
5 Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:
The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the British Overseas Territories Bill [Lords], without Amendment.
The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the Land Registration Bill [Lords], without Amendment.
6 New Member sworn,-Ifor Huw Irranca-Davies, Member for Ogmore, was sworn.
7 Health Reform (Education and Public Involvement),-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the training of health professionals and for the involvement of patients and the general public in the decision-making processes of the National Health Service; and to provide mechanisms for the regulation of training and public involvement: And that Mr Jim Cunningham, Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas, Mr Brian Jenkins, Mr Stephen McCabe, Mr Mike O'Brien, Mr Bill Olner, Mr Geoffrey Robinson, Ms Debra Shipley, Rachel Squire, David Taylor and Mr James Wray do prepare and bring it in.
8 Health Reform (Education and Public Involvement) Bill,-Mr Jim Cunningham accordingly presented a Bill to provide for the training of health professionals and for the involvement of patients and the general public in the decision-making processes of the National Health Service; and to provide mechanisms for the regulation of training and public involvement: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 21st June and to be printed [Bill 99].
9 Proceeds of Crime Bill (Programme) (No. 2),-Ordered, That in accordance with the resolution of the Programming Committee of 25th February and pursuant to the Order of 30th October (Proceeds of Crime Bill (Programme))-
Consideration and Third Reading
(1) the proceedings on consideration shall be taken on each of the allotted days as shown in the first column of the following Table and shall be taken in the order so shown, and each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second column of the Table.
| Table |
| Proceedings | Time for conclusion of proceedings |
| First allotted day |
| New Clauses relating to Part 1; Amendments relating to Clause No. 1, Schedule No. 1 and Clauses Nos. 2 to 5; new Clauses relating to Part 2, Part 3 and Part 4; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 6 to 141, Schedule No. 2 and Clauses Nos. 142 to 248 |
Three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion for this Order |
| New Clauses relating to Part 5; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 249 to 256, Schedule No. 3, Clauses Nos. 257 to 272, Schedule No. 4 and Clauses Nos. 273 to 316; new Clauses relating to Part 6; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 317 to 325, Schedule No. 5 and Clause No. 326 |
Six hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion for this Order |
| Second allotted day |
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New Clauses relating to Part 7; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 327 to 330, Schedule No. 6 and Clauses Nos. 331 to 335 |
Two and a quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill |
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New Clauses relating to Part 8; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 336 to 407; new Clauses relating to Part 9; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 408 to 425; new Clauses relating to Part 10; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 426 to 433; new Clauses relating to Part 11; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 434 to 439, Schedule No. 7, Clauses Nos. 440 to 444, Schedule No. 8, Clause No. 445, Schedule No. 9 and Clauses Nos. 446 to 450; remaining new Clauses; new Schedules and remaining proceedings on consideration. |
Four and a quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill |
(2) the proceedings on Third Reading shall be brought to a conclusion six hours after the commencement of the proceedings on the Bill on the second allotted day.-(Mr Bob Ainsworth.)
10 Proceeds of Crime Bill [1st allotted day],-The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Proceeds of Crime Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee.
Amendments Nos. 77 and 78 made to the Bill.
Another Amendment (No. 226) proposed to the Bill, in page 261, line 24, at the end to insert the words 'and in Scotland.'.-(Mr Alistair Carmichael.)
Question, That the Amendment be made, put and negatived.
Another Amendment (No. 79) made to the Bill.
A Clause (Disposal of family home: England and Wales)-(Mr Dominic Grieve)-brought up, and read the first time.
Question put, That the Clause be read a second time.
Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mr Charles Hendry: 157.
Tellers for the Noes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Mr Graham Stringer: 273.
Another Amendment (No. 39) proposed to the Bill, in page 3, line 20, at the end to insert the words 'and the court considers that there is no real risk of injustice from it so proceeding'.-(Mr Dominic Grieve.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
Tellers for the Ayes, Dr Julian Lewis, Sir Robert Smith: 158.
Tellers for the Noes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Mr Graham Stringer: 260.
It being more than three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion for the Programme Order, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question necessary to dispose of Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown.
Other Amendments (Nos. 80, 190, 81, 191, 82 to 84, 192, 85 to 88, 230, 232, 290, 255 to 261, 231, 262 to 275, 233, 276 to 278, 234, 280 to 284, 178, 193, 179, 194, 180 to 182, 195 and 183 to 186) made to the Bill.
A Clause (Performance of functions of Scottish Ministers by constables in Scotland)-(Mrs Anne McGuire)-brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill.
Another Amendment (No. 57) proposed to the Bill, in page 148, line 36, at the end, to insert the words-
'(3)No powers conferred by this Part are exercisable in relation to any property which is, or represents, property obtained through unlawful conduct prior to the coming into force of this Part.'.-(Mr Dominic Grieve.)
Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:-Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Another Amendment (No. 59) proposed to the Bill, in page 149, line 30, to leave out the word 'thinks' and to insert the words 'has reasonable grounds to believe'.-(Mr Dominic Grieve.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
Tellers for the Ayes, Dr Julian Lewis, Mr John Randall: 155.
Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Anne McGuire, Angela Smith: 276.
Another Amendment (No. 132) proposed to the Bill, in page 267, line 5, at the end to insert the words-
'(6) This paragraph does not confer power to require a person-
(a) to produce, or give access to privileged material,
(b) to answer any privileged question.
(7) Where a person would be entitled to refuse to produce any material, or to refuse to answer any question-
(a) in relation to England and Wales and Northern Ireland, on grounds of legal professional privilege in proceedings in the High Court,
(b) in relation to Scotland, on grounds of legal privilege, within the meaning of Chapter 3 of Part 8,
the material or (as the case may be) question is privileged.'.-(Mr Bob Ainsworth.)
And it being six hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion for the Programme Order, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question already proposed from the Chair.
Question, That the Amendment (No. 132) be made, put and agreed to.
The Deputy Speaker then put the Question necessary to dispose of Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown.
Other Amendments (Nos. 133, 114, 286, 287, 235, 115 to 120, 289, 121, 122, 288, 123 to 131, 89 and 90) made to the Bill.
Bill to be further considered to-morrow.
11 Royal Assent,-The Deputy Speaker notified the House, in accordance with the Royal Assent Act 1967, That Her Majesty had signified her Royal Assent to the following Acts, agreed upon by both Houses:
International Development Act 2002
Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002
European Communities (Amendment) Act 2002
Travel Concessions (Eligibility) Act 2002
Civil Defence (Grant) Act 2002
Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning (Amendment) Act 2002
British Overseas Territories Act 2002
Land Registration Act 2002.
12 Police,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Police Act 1997 (Enhanced Criminal Record Certificates) (Protection of Vulnerable Adults) Regulations 2002, which were laid before this House on 7th February, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.
13 Constitutional Law,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Adjacent Waters Boundaries (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 7th February, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.
14 Northern Ireland,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Sea Fisheries (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 7th February, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.
15 Deregulation and Regulatory Reform,-Ordered, That Mr David Chaytor be discharged from the Deregulation and Regulatory Reform Committee and Chris Mole be added to the Committee.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)
16 Procedure,-Ordered, That Mr David Rendel be discharged from the Procedure Committee and Mr John Burnett be added to the Committee.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)
17 International Development,-Ordered, That Mr Alistair Carmichael be discharged from the International Development Committee and John Barrett be added to the Committee.-(Keith Hill, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)
18 Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from Mrs Susan Jones and others against the sale of publicly owned car parks in Hadleigh was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
19 Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till sixteen minutes past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 11.16 p.m.
Michael J. Martin
Speaker
Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.
APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1 Regulatory Reform,-Draft Regulatory Reform (Golden Jubilee Licensing) Order 2002, together with a statement by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport [by Act] [Secretary Jowell].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2 Education (Wales),-Education (Chief Inspector of Education and Training in Wales) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 260), dated 12th February 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Murphy].
3 Legal Aid and Advice,-(1) Legal Advice and Assistance (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2002 (S.R. (N.I.)., 2002, No. 62),
(2) Legal Advice and Assistance (Financial Conditions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2002 (S.R. (N.I.)., 2002, No. 61), and
(3) Legal Aid (Financial Conditions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2002 (S.R. (N.I.)., 2002, No. 60),
dated 22nd February 2002 [by Act] [Ms Rosie Winterton].
4 National Assistance Services,-(1) National Assistance (Assessment of Resources) (Amendment) (England) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 410); and
(2) National Assistance (Sums for Personal Requirements) (England) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 411),
dated 24th February 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Millburn].
5 Pensions,-Occupational Pension Schemes (Minimum Funding Requirement and Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 380), dated 22nd February 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].
Other Papers:
6 Culture, Media and Sport,-Government Response to the First Report of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, Session 2001-02, on Unpicking the Lock: The World Athletics Championships in the UK [Cm. 5448] [Secretary Tessa Jowell].
7 Defence (Votes A), 2002-03-Estimates of the maximum numbers of personnel to be maintained for service with the Armed Forces for the year ending 31st March 2003 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 634] [Mr Secretary Hoon].
8 Prison Service (Northern Ireland)-Paper, entitled Northern Ireland Prison Service Medal: Royal Warrant [by Command] [Cm. 5452] [Mr Secretary Reid].
9 Sports Councils,-Consolidated Accounts of the English Sports Council and English Sports Council Group for the year ended 31st March 2001, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Secretary Tessa Jowell].
10 Supply Estimates, 2001-02,-Spring Supplementary Estimates for 2001-02 for-
(1) Department for Culture, Media and Sport [by Command] [Cm. 5449] [Secretary Tessa Jowell];
(2) Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs [by Command] [Cm. 5357] [Secretary Margaret Beckett];
(3) Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions [by Command] [Cm. 5463] [Mr Secretary Byers];
(4) Foreign and Commonwealth Office [by Command] [Cm. 5460] [Mr Secretary Straw];
(5) Law Officers' Department [by Command] [Cm. 5398] [The Solicitor General];
(6) Lord Chancellor's Departments [by Command] [Cm. 5370] [Ms Rosie Winterton];
(7) Ministry of Defence [by Command] [Cm. 5441] [Mr Secretary Hoon]; and
(8) Office of Fair Trading [by Command] [Cm. 5458] [Ms Secretary Hewitt].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
1 Home Energy Conservation Bill,-The Speaker has appointed Mr John Cummings an additional Chairman of Standing Committee C in respect of the Bill.
2 Draft Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating and National Insurance Funds Payments) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Julie Morgan and Mr Geoffrey Robinson from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Hugh Bayley and Judy Mallaber.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1 Culture, Media and Sport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Communications]; to be printed [No. 539-v] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].
2 Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Individual Learning Accounts]; to be printed [No. 561-v] [Mr Barry Sheerman].
3 Foreign Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee [Foreign Policy Aspects of the War against Terrorism]; to be printed [No. 384-iv] [Donald Anderson].
4 Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [The Work of the Crown Prosecution Service]; to be printed [No. 650] [Mr Chris Mullin].
5 International Development,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [Afghanistan: Further Developments], together with Appendices thereunto; to be printed [No. 653] [Tony Baldry].
6 Statutory Instruments,-Twentieth Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 135-xx] [Mr David Tredinnick].
7 Trade and Industry,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee [Productivity and Competitiveness of UK Manufacturing Industry]; to be printed [No. Nos. 597-iii and -iv] [Mr Roger Berry].
8 Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Urban Affairs Sub-Committee of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee [The Need for a New European Regeneration Framework]; to be printed [No. 483-i] [Andrew Bennett].
9 Treasury,-First Report from the Treasury Committee [The 2001 Census in England and Wales], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 652] [Mr John McFall].
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Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall
[pursuant to the Order of 20th November 2000]
The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Jacqui Smith.)
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 1.59 p.m.
Sir Alan Haselhurst
Deputy Speaker
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