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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Thursday 18th July 2002

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Proceeds of Crime Bill [Money] (No. 2),-Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Proceeds of Crime Bill [Money] (No. 2);

    Resolved, That, for the purpose of any Act resulting from the Proceeds of Crime Bill, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of-

      (a) the remuneration of the Director and staff of the Assets Recovery Agency;

      (b) any expenses incurred by the Director or any of the staff of the Agency in the exercise of his or their functions.-(Mr Bob Ainsworth.)

2    Proceeds of Crime Bill (Programme) (No. 3),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Order [28th June 2001], That the following provisions shall apply to the Proceeds of Crime Bill for the purpose of supplementing the Orders of 30th October 2001 and 26th February 2002:

    Consideration of Lords Amendments

    1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments to the Bill shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at Seven o'clock on the day on which those proceedings are commenced.

    Subsequent stages

    2. The proceedings on any further Message from the Lords on the Bill shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement-(Mr John Heppell):-It was agreed to.

3    Proceeds of Crime Bill,-The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Proceeds of Crime Bill.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 3 were agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 4.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Bob Ainsworth);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Derek Twigg: 260.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen O'Brien, Mr Laurence Robertson: 149.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 5 to 8 were agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 9.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Bob Ainsworth);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Dan Norris, Jim Fitzpatrick: 253.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen O'Brien, Mr Laurence Robertson: 136.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 10 to 29 were agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 30 was disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 31 to 37 were agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 38.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mrs Anne McGuire);

    And it being Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question already proposed from the Chair.

    The Lords Amendment was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker then put the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be continued at that hour.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 43, 47, 66, 73, 78 and 99 were disagreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 110.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr John Heppell);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Dan Norris: 242.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen O'Brien, Mr Laurence Robertson: 133.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 113 and 166 were disagreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker then put the Question, That the House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments:-It was agreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 39 to 42, 44 to 46, 48 to 65, 67 to 72, 74 to 77, 79 to 98, 100 to 109, 111, 112, 114 to 165 and 167 to 325 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 276.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Order [28th June 2001], That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 4, 9, 30, 43, 47, 66, 73, 78, 99, 110, 113 and 166.

    That Mr Bob Ainsworth, Norman Baker, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr John Heppell, Dr Howard Stoate and Mr David Wilshire be members of the Committee.

    That Mr Bob Ainsworth be the Chairman of the Committee.

    That three be the Quorum of the Committee.

    That the Committee do withdraw immediately-(Mr John Heppell):-It was agreed to.

4    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Business of the House) and Order [20th November 2000], That, at this day's sitting, the Business of the House Motion in the name of Mr Robin Cook may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour-(Dan Norris);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Dan Norris: 243.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mr Stephen O'Brien: 101.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That, at this day's sitting, the Business of the House Motion in the name of Mr Robin Cook may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour.

5    Waste from Electrical and Electronic Equipment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Union Documents No. 9923/01, amended draft Directive on waste from electrical and electronic equipment, the unnumbered Explanatory Memorandum from the Department of Trade and Industry of 15th March on the Common Position of the Council on that draft Directive, No. 10143/01, amended draft Directive on restricting the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment, and the unnumbered Explanatory Memorandum from the Department of Trade and Industry of 15th March on the Common Position of the Council on that draft Directive; notes the Government's current negotiating line; and supports the Government's actions-(Mr Ivor Caplin):-It was agreed to.

6    Representation of the People,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Regulations 2002, which were laid before this House on 26th June, be approved-(Mr Ivor Caplin):-It was agreed to.

7    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That, at the sitting on Monday 22nd July, the Motion for the adjournment of the House in the name of the Prime Minister relating to matters to be considered before the forthcoming adjournment may be proceeded with, though opposed, for three hours, and the Motion shall then lapse-(Mr Ben Bradshaw);

    And the Deputy Speaker's opinion as to the decision of the Question being challenged, the Division was deferred till Wednesday 24th July, pursuant to Order [28th June 2001].

8    Proceeds of Crime Bill,-Mr Bob Ainsworth reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their Amendments to the Proceeds of Crime Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reasons, which it had directed him to report to the House:

    The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 4 and 73 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it is not appropriate for the court to have a discretion to decide not to initiate proceedings for confiscation orders.

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 9 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it would involve a charge on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.

    The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 30, 66 and 99 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it is not appropriate to create a preference for unsecured creditors, which would be open to abuse by criminals.

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 43 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it is not appropriate for the court to have a discretion to decide not to initiate proceedings for confiscation orders.

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 47 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it would involve a charge on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 78 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it would involve a charge on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.

    The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 110 and 113 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it is not appropriate to provide any such exceptions, the House having reached its decision without the opportunity for debate.

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 166 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

      Because it would involve a charge on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.

    The Reasons were agreed to.

    Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill and Amendments.

9    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Joan Ryan.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-seven minutes past Eight o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 8.27 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1    Northern Ireland,-Draft Northern Ireland Act 1998 (Modification of Enactments) Order 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Reid].

Other Papers:

2    Defence,-Paper, entitled The Strategic Defence Review: A New Chapter, together with supplementary information [by Command] [Cm. 5566-I and -II] [Mr Secretary Hoon].

3    Defence Executive Agencies,-Report and Accounts of the Duke of York's Royal Military School for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 976] [Mr Secretary Hoon].

4    Financial Reporting to Parliament,-Departmental Report 2002: The Government's Expenditure Plans for 2002-03 to 2003-04 for the Department of Health [by Command] [Cm. 5403] [Mr Secretary Milburn].

5    Government Trading Funds,-Report and Accounts of the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1024] [Clerk of the House].

6    Health Executive Agencies,-Report and Accounts of the Medical Devices Agency for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 956] [Mr Secretary Milburn].

7    Home Office Executive Agencies,-Reports and Accounts of-

    (1) the Criminal Records Bureau,

    (2) HM Prison Service, and

    (3) the United Kingdom Passport Service

    for 2001-02, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 971, 957 and 970] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

8    Housing,-Report and Accounts of the Stonebridge Housing Action Trust for 2001-02 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

9    Human Fertilisation and Embryology,-Account of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1117] [Clerk of the House].

10    Local Government,-Financial Statements of the South Bank Centre for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Secretary Tessa Jowell].

11    National Audit,-Resource Accounts of the National Audit Office for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1114] [Mr Alan Williams].

12    National Lottery,-Account of the sportscotland National Lottery Fund for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1023] [Mrs Secretary Liddell].

13    Northern Ireland (Sentences),-Report of the Sentence Review Commissioners for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 950] [Mr Secretary Reid].

14    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister Executive Agencies,-Report and Accounts of the Planning Inspectorate for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 938] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

15    Pensions,-Report of the Occupational Pensions Regulatory Authority for 2001-02 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

16    Public Records,-Report of the Keeper of Public Records on the work of the Public Record Office, Resource Accounts of the Public Record Office, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon, and the Report of the Advisory Council on Public Records, for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1050]; and

    (2) Supplement to the Report of the Keeper of Public Records [by Act]

    [Ms Rosie Winterton].

17    Regulatory Reform,-Proposal under the Regulatory Reform Act 2001 for a Regulatory Reform (Credit Unions) Order 2002, together with a statement by HM Treasury [by Act] [Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer].

18    Science and Technology,-Report and Summary Financial Statements of the Economic and Social Research Council for 2001-02 [by Act] [Ms Secretary Hewitt].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1    Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 106) (House of Commons Paper No. 1019) on Special Grants for Performance Pay Progression for Teachers on any Qualified Teacher Pay Scale, for Performance Pay Progression for Teachers on the Leadership Group Pay Spine, and for Threshold Payments for Teachers Employed by Local Authorities in Children's Homes,-The Speaker has appointed Mrs Marion Roe Chairman of the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the Report.

2    Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 105) on Invest to Save Budget Round 4 Projects and Local Government On-line,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Edward O'Hara Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the Report.

3    Parliamentary Pensions (Amendment) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 1807),-The Speaker has appointed Mr John Cummings Chairman of the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the Regulations.

4    Draft Local Elections (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Order 2002,-The Speaker has appointed Mr James Cran Chairman of the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Health,-Memoranda laid before the Health Committee [Delayed discharges] [Mr David Hinchliffe].

    2    Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [Home Office Annual Report 2001-02]; to be printed [No. 1122-i] [Mr Chris Mullin].

    3    Procedure,-Second Special Report from the Procedure Committee [Government Response to the Committee's Second Report: Appointment of Deputy Speakers]; to be printed [No. 1121] [Sir Nicholas Winterton].

    4    Public Administration,-(1) Ninth Report from the Select Committee on Public Administration [Ministerial Accountability and Parliamentary Questions] together with Appendices; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1086]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The New Centre]; to be printed [No. 262-iv]

    [Tony Wright].

    5    Treasury,-(1) Sixth Report from the Treasury Committee [Financial Regulation of Public Limited Companies], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 758]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Spending Review 2002], together with Appendices; to be printed [No. 1092-ii]

    [Mr John McFall].

[W.H., No. 106]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 20th November 2000]

The sitting commenced at half-past Two o'clock.

    Adjournment (Poverty),-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the sitting be now adjourned-(Angela Smith);

    And the sitting having continued for three hours, it was adjourned without Question put, till Tuesday 23rd July.

[Adjourned at 5.45 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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