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The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1 Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Edward O'Hara reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Fishing Vessels (Decommissioning) Scheme 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2669).
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
2 Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Roger Gale reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Strategic Health Authorities Consultation on Changes Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1617).
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
3 Road Traffic Regulations (Consultation),-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to create full statutory public consultation procedures wheresoever road traffic management schemes are proposed by local authorities-(Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger);
And the Motion being opposed, after a brief explanatory statement from the Member who made the Motion and from a Member who opposed it, the Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 23 (Motions for leave to bring in bills and nomination of select committees at commencement of public business):-It was agreed to.
Ordered, That Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger, Mr Kevan Jones, Andrew Rosindell, Mr Tim Boswell, Mr Andrew Turner, Mr John Burnett, John Thurso, Mr David Clelland and Mr Adrian Flook do prepare and bring in the Bill.
4 Road Traffic Regulations (Consultation) Bill,-Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger accordingly presented a Bill to create full statutory public consultation procedures wheresoever road traffic management schemes are proposed by local authorities: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 21st November and to be printed [Bill 174].
5 Opposition Day [6th allotted day: second part],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.
Confidentiality of Decommissioning in the Northern Ireland Peace Process,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House expresses its profound disquiet at the accounts given by the Prime Minister and by General de Chastelain on the issue of whether information on the latest IRA act of decommissioning, additional to that made public, was given by General de Chastelain to the UK and Irish Governments; believes that the credibility of both the Prime Minister and of General de Chastelain are of vital importance in the successful conclusion of the Northern Ireland peace process; and therefore considers it imperative that this matter should be clarified urgently and unambiguously-(Mr Quentin Davies);
An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'notes the importance of confidentiality to effective decommissioning of weapons in Northern Ireland; expresses its gratitude for the professionalism of General de Chastelain and the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning; welcomes the further positive developments in the peace process set out by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in his statement to the House on 22nd October, including the calling of elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly on 26th November; calls on all parties in the House to engage constructively in furthering the peace process in Northern Ireland; and looks forward to further progress after the elections towards the restoration of devolved government in Northern Ireland on a stable and inclusive basis', instead thereof.-(Jane Kennedy.)
And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;
Mr Patrick McLoughlin rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.
And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.
And the Question being accordingly put;
Tellers for the Ayes, Angela Watkinson, Mr Mark Field: 186.
Tellers for the Noes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Bridget Prentice: 332.
So the Question was negatived.
And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.
The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.
Resolved, That this House notes the importance of confidentiality to effective decommissioning of weapons in Northern Ireland; expresses its gratitude for the professionalism of General de Chastelain and the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning; welcomes the further positive developments in the peace process set out by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in his statement to the House on 22nd October, including the calling of elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly on 26th November; calls on all parties in the House to engage constructively in furthering the peace process in Northern Ireland; and looks forward to further progress after the elections towards the restoration of devolved government in Northern Ireland on a stable and inclusive basis.
6 Water Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 3),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That-
Procedure on Consideration and Third Reading
(1) Paragraphs 4 and 5 of the Programme Order of 8th September 2003 relating to the Water Bill shall be omitted;
(2) proceedings on consideration shall be taken in the order shown in the following table, and each part of the proceedings shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on the day on which those proceedings are commenced at the time specified in the second column;
Proceedings
Time for conclusion of proceedings
New Clauses and new Schedules relating to Part 1; Amendments relating to Part 1.
5 hours before the moment of interruption.
New Clauses and new Schedules relating to Part 2; Amendments relating to Clause No. 34, Schedule No. 1, Clause No. 35, Schedule No. 2, Clause No. 36, Schedule No. 3, Clauses Nos. 37 to 56, Schedule No. 4.
4 hours before the moment of interruption.
New Clauses and new Schedules relating to Part 3 (except new Clauses and new Schedules relating to fluoridation); Amendments relating to Clause No. 57, Clauses Nos. 59 to 85, Schedules Nos. 5 and 6, Clauses Nos. 86 to 98.
3 hours before the moment of interruption.
New Clauses and new Schedules relating to fluoridation; Amendments relating to Clause No. 58; remaining new Clauses and new Schedules; Amendments relating to Clauses Nos. 99 and 100, Schedules Nos. 7 to 9, Clauses Nos. 101 to 104.
1 hour before the moment of interruption.
(3) proceedings on Third Reading shall, so far as not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced-(Gillian Merron);
Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Bridget Prentice: 300.
Tellers for the Noes, Angela Watkinson, Mr Mark Field: 181.
So the Question was agreed to.
7 Adjournment (Making a success of vocational education),-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Gillian Merron);
And it being Seven o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put.
8 Northern Ireland,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Northern Ireland Assembly (Elections) (Amendment) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 22nd October, be approved-(Bridget Prentice):-It was agreed to.
9 Northern Ireland,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the Northern Ireland Assembly (Elections and Periods of Suspension) Act 2003 (Consequential Modifications) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2696), dated 21st October 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 22nd October, be approved-(Bridget Prentice):-It was agreed to.
10 Northern Ireland,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the Northern Ireland (Date of Next Assembly Poll) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2697), dated 21st October 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 22nd October, be approved-(Bridget Prentice):-It was agreed to.
11 Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from the Restricted Growth Association against stereotyping and discrimination directed towards people of restricted growth was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
12 Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Bridget Prentice);
And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then twenty-nine minutes to Eight o'clock, till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 7.31 p.m.
Michael J. Martin
Speaker
Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.
APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1 Taxes,-Stamp Duty and Stamp Duty Land Tax (Variation of the Finance Act 2003) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2816), dated 5th November 2003 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Ruth Kelly].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2 Channel Tunnel,-Channel Tunnel (International Arrangements) (Amendment) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2799), dated 4th November 2003 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].
3 Financial Services and Markets,-Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Disclosure of Confidential Information) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2817), dated 4th November 2003 [by Act] [Ruth Kelly].
4 Tax Credits,-Tax Credits (Miscellaneous Amendments No. 2) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2815), dated 4th November 2003 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].
5 Universities of Oxford and Cambridge,-Statute, dated 11th October 2002, made by the Governing Body of Balliol College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College [by Act] [Mr David Lammy].
Other Papers:
6 Justices of the Peace,-Report of Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of the Magistrates' Courts Service for 2002-03 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1119] [Christopher Leslie].
7 School Standards and Framework,-Accounts of-
(1) Astons & Nechells Education Action Zone,
(2) Clacton and Harwich Education Action Zone,
(3) East Basildon Education Action Zone,
(4) Herefordshire Education Action Zone,
(5) Leigh (Wigan) Education Action Zone,
(6) North Gillingham Education Action Zone,
(7) North Somerset (Weston-Super-Mare) Education Action Zone,
(8) Telford & Wrekin Education Action Zone, and
(9) Wolverhampton Education Action Zone,
for 2002-03, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 1246, 1247, 1248, 1249, 1250, 1251, 1252, 1253 and 1254] [Clerk of the House].
8 Social Security Administration,-Reports by the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council:-
(1) on whether sufficient evidence exists to warrant adding osteoarthritis of the hip as a prescribed disease, and
(2) reviewing the prescription of conditions due to biological agents
in accordance with Section 171 of the Social Security Administration Act 1992 [by Command] [Cms. 5977 and 5997] [Mr Secretary Smith].
9 Treaty Series (No. 44, 2003),-Convention, done at Vilnius on 19th March 2001, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Republic of Lithuania for the Avoidance of Double Taxation and the Prevention of Fiscal Evasion with respect to Taxes on Income and on Capital Gains; and Protocol, done at London on 21st May 2002, amending the Convention [by Command] [Cm. 6003] [Mr Secretary Straw].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
1 Draft Education (Amendment of the Curriculum Requirements for the Fourth Key Stage) (England) Order 2003:
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and
(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Graham Brady, Mr Ian Cawsey, Mr James Clappison, Mr Ian Davidson, Mr Parmjit Dhanda, Helen Jones, Mr Tony McWalter, Mr David Miliband, Dr John Pugh, Geraldine Smith, Mark Tami, Mr Paul Truswell, Mr Andrew Turner, Derek Twigg, Angela Watkinson and Mr Phil Willis.
2 Northern Ireland Assembly (Elections and Periods of Suspension) Act 2003 (Consequential Modifications No. 2) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2752):
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and
(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Richard Bacon, Richard Burden, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Mr Vernon Coaker, Mr Terry Davis, Mr Hilton Dawson, Mr Brian H. Donohoe, David Hamilton, Mr Tom Harris, Mr Doug Henderson, Lady Hermon, Mr John Lyons, Mr Andrew Mackay, Mr John Spellar, Mr John Taylor and Angela Watkinson.
3 Draft Department of Transport (Driver Licensing and Vehicles Registration Fees) (England) Order 2003:
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and
(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Harold Best, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Bob Blizzard, Mr David Borrow, Virginia Bottomley, Mr Christopher Chope, Mr Michael Connarty, Mr Stephen Dorrell, Mr Mark Field, Mr David Jamieson, Rob Marris, Mr Paul Marsden, Gillian Merron, Mr Austin Mitchell, Llew Smith and John Thurso.
4 Immigration (Leave to Remain) (Fees) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1711):
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and
(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Annette Brooke, Barbara Follett, Mr Barry Gardiner, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mr David Heath, Mr John Heppell, Beverley Hughes, Mr Brian Jenkins, Mr Peter Lilley, Mr Humfrey Malins, Mr Eric Martlew, Diana Organ, Sandra Osborne, Anne Picking, Mr John Randall and Mr Dennis Skinner.
5 Fishing Vessels (Decommissioning) Scheme 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2669),-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas, Mr John Denham and Christine Russell from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Scheme); and nominated in substitution Mr Martin Caton, Mr Jon Owen Jones and Albert Owen.
6 Strategic Health Authorities Consultation on Changes Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1617),-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Martin Salter and Claire Ward from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Jim Knight and Jonathan Shaw.
European Standing Committees
7 The European Scrutiny Committee has withdrawn its recommendations [3rd July and 18th December 2002] that European Union Documents Nos. 10288/01 and 14205/02, relating to Allocation of slots at Community airports, be further considered, and the documents no longer stand referred to European Standing Committee A.
8 European Union Document No. 12985/03, relating to Protection of groundwater against pollution, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.
9 European Union Document No. 10965/3/03, relating to Security at European Council meetings and other comparable events, has been referred to European Standing Committee B.
10 European Union Documents Nos. 13297/03 and 13244/03 relating to Trans-European Networks, have been referred to European Standing Committee B together with European Union Document No. 12817/02 relating to the same subject, already referred to the Committee on 6th November 2002.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1 Defence,-(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [Lessons of Iraq]; to be printed [No. 695-xi]; and
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Armed Forces Pension and Compensation]; to be printed [No. 1255]
2 Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [The Work of Ofsted]; to be printed [No. 1260] [Valerie Davey].
3 Environmental Audit,-(1) Thirteenth Report from the Environmental Audit Committee [Greening Government 2003]; together with an Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 961]; and
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [GM Food-Evaluating the Farm Scale Trials]; to be printed [No. 1239-ii]
[Mr Peter Ainsworth].
4 Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [Water Pricing]; to be printed [No. 1220-ii] [Mr David Curry].
5 European Scrutiny,-(1) Thirty-sixth Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-xxxvi]; and
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Inter-Governmental Conference on the Draft Treaty on a Constitution for Europe]; to be printed [No. 1078-ii]
6 Northern Ireland Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Introduction of the Aggregates Levy in Northern Ireland: One Year On]; to be printed [No.1101-ii] [Mr Michael Mates].
7 Procedure,-Third Report from the Procedure Committee [Sessional Orders and Resolutions], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 855] [Sir Nicholas Winterton].
8 Transport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Committee [The Future of the Railways]; to be printed [No. 875-vi] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
9 Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee of the Treasury Committee [Royal Mint Annual Report 2002-03]; to be printed [No. 1261-i] [Mr John McFall].
[W.H., No. 101]
Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall
The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Mr John Heppell.)
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 4.59 p.m.
Sir Alan Haselhurst
Deputy Speaker
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