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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 3rd June 1998

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1 Adjournment,--A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn--(Janet Anderson);

    And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.

2 Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,--Mr Nicholas Winterton reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Motor Vehicles (Approval) (Amendment) Regulations 1988 (S.I., 1998, No. 1008).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3 Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,--Mr Donald Anderson reported from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Contracting Out (Functions relating to National Savings) Order 1998.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4 Electricity Generation Bill [Lords],--The Electricity Generation Bill [Lords] was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July and to be printed [Bill 197].

5 Drinks Containers (Redemption),--Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the redemption of certain drinks containers; and for connected purposes: And that Mr Christopher Leslie, Mr Andrew F. Bennett, Helen Southworth, Maria Eagle, Mr Paul Truswell, Mr Andrew Reed, Mr Andrew Love, Mr Fabian Hamilton, Angela Smith and Mr Norman Baker do prepare and bring it in.

6 Drinks Containers (Redemption) Bill,--Mr Christopher Leslie accordingly presented a Bill to provide for the redemption of certain drinks containers; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time: and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July and to be printed [Bill 195].

7 Human Rights Bill [Lords] (Programme),--A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 82 (Business Committee), That the Report [2nd June] from the Business Committee be now considered--(Jane Kennedy):--It was agreed to.

    Question put forthwith, That this House agrees with the Committee in its Resolution:--It was agreed to.

8 Human Rights Bill [Lords] (Committee) [First allotted day],--The House, accordingly to Order, again resolved itself into a Committee on the Human Rights Bill [Lords].

(In the Committee)

    Clause No. 2 (Interpretation of Convention Rights).

    Amendment (No. 4) proposed, in page 2, line 2, to leave out the word 'must' and insert the word 'may', instead thereof--(Mr James Clappison.)

    Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

    Amendments (Nos. 119 and 137) made.

    Clause, as amended, agreed to.

    Clause No. 3 (Legislation).

    Amendment (No. 9) proposed, in page 2, line 37, to leave out the word 'possible' and insert the word 'reasonable', instead thereof.--(Mr James Clappison.)

    Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

    Another Amendment (No. 17) proposed, in page 2, line 46, to leave out from the word 'legislation' to the end of line 2 on page 3.--(Mr James Clappison.)

    Question put, That the Amendment be made.

    The Committee divided:

    Tellers for the Ayes, Sir David Madel, Mr Tim Collins: 129.

    Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr John McFall: 324.

    Clause agreed to.

    Clause No. 4 (Declaration of incompatibility).

    Amendment (No. 15) proposed, in page 3, line 7, at the end, to insert the words 'setting out the nature and extent thereof in so far as it arises from the nature of the case before the court.'--(Mr Edward Garnier.)

    Question put, That the Amendment be made.

    The Committee divided:

    Tellers for the Ayes, Sir David Madel, Mr Tim Collins: 128.

    Tellers for the Noes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Jim Dowd: 320.

    Another Amendment (No. 107) proposed, in page 3, line 24, at the end to insert the words--

    '(f) in Jersey, the Royal Court or the Court of Appeal;

    (g) in Guernsey, the Royal Court or the Court of Appeal;

    (h) in the Isle of Man, the High Court.'--(Mr Austin Mitchell.)

    Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

    Clause agreed to.

    Ordered, That the Chairman do report progress and ask leave to sit again.--(Mr Kevin Hughes.)

    The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr Kevin Hughes reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and that he was directed to move, That the Committee may have leave to sit again.

    Committee again to-morrow.

9 Adjournment,--Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.--(Mr Kevin Hughes.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty minutes to Twelve o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.40 p.m.

Betty Boothroyd
Speaker

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.

APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1 Value Added Tax,--Value Added Tax (Reduced Rate) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1375), dated 3rd June 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution.

2 Legal Aid, Advice and Assistance,--Legal Aid in Criminal Proceedings (Costs) (Amendment) Rules (Northern Ireland) 1998 (S.R.(N.I.), 1998, No. 200), dated 21st May 1998 [by Statutory Instrument] [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].

3 Road Traffic,--Alterations in the provisions of the Highway Code proposed to be made by the Secretary of State for the Environment, Transport and the Regions pursuant to section 38 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

Other Papers:

4 Broadcasting,--(1) Financial Report and Accounts, and

    (2) Report

of S4C for 1997 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

5 Dentists,--Accounts of the General Dental Council for 1997 [by Act] [Mrs Ann Taylor]

6 Local Government Finance,--Account of the Pooling of Non-Domestic Rates and Redistribution to Local Authorities in England for 1996-97, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 778] [Clerk of the House].

7 Reserve Forces,--Change 1 to the Regulations for the Royal Naval Reserve (BR60) [by Act] [Mr Secretary Robertson].

8 Statutory Instruments (Notification),--Communication declaring that the undermentioned Statutory Instrument had come into operation before copies were laid before Parliament, and explaining why such copies had not been so laid before the Instrument came into operation.

    Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1342)

[by Standing Order] [The Speaker].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1 Competition Bill [Lords],--The Committee of Selection has discharged from Standing Committee G Mr John M. Taylor (nominated in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Mr Tim Collins.

2 Chamber of Commerce (Protection of Title) Bill,--The Speaker has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman of Standing Committee C in respect of the Bill.

3 Draft Criminal Justice (Children) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998.

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and appointed Mr Bowen Wells Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr David Chaytor, Mr Iain Coleman, Mr Tony Colman, Mr Jeremy Corbyn, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Roger Godsiff, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr Stephen Hesford, Ms Beverley Hughes, Mr Andrew Hunter, Mr Adam Ingram, Mr Ken Maginnis, Mr Jim Marshall, Mr Malcolm Moss, Mr Ian Taylor and Mr David Trimble.

4 Draft Producer Responsibility Obligations (Northern Ireland) Order 1998:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Ms Diane Abbott, Mr Charles Clarke, Mr Tony Colman, Tom Cox, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Clifford Forsythe, Mr Andrew Hunter, Ms Jenny Jones, Mrs Tess Kingham, Mr Malcolm Moss, Sir Raymond Powell, Mr Andrew Robathan, Sir Teddy Taylor, Mr Cecil Walker, Dr Alan Whitehead and Mr Tony Worthington.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

1 Education and Employment,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education Sub-committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 3rd June [The Role of Headteachers]; to be printed [No. 725-iv] [Ms Margaret Hodge].

2 Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 3rd June [Regional Air Services]; to be printed [No. 589-ix] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

3 European Legislation,--Twenty-ninth Report from the Select Committee on European Legislation; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee Relating to the Report [No. 155-xxix] [Mr Jim Marshall].

4 Foreign Affairs,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee on 3rd June [Foreign Policy and Human Rights]; to be printed [No. 369-x] [Mr Donald Anderson].

5 Modernisation of the House of Commons,--Sixth Report from the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons [Voting Methods]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 779] [Mrs Ann Taylor].

6 Northern Ireland Affairs,--Second Special Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Response by the Government to the Second Report from the Committee, Session 1997-98, on Electoral Malpractice in Northern Ireland]; to be printed [No. 781] [Mr Peter Brooke].

7 Public Accounts,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of the Public Accounts on Wednesday 3rd June [Privatisation of the Rolling Stock Leasing Companies]; to be printed [No. 782-i] [Mr David Davis].

8 Science and Technology,--(1) Third Report from the Science and Technology Committee [Glaxo-Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham: The Merger Proposals]; together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 627]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee on 3rd June [Engineering and Physical Sciences Based Innovation]; to be printed [No. 626-vi]

[Mr Alan W. Williams]

9 Social Security,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Social Security Committee on 3rd June [Success Measures]; to be printed [No. 777-i] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].

CORRIGENDUM

In Votes and Proceedings for Thursday 21st May 1998, Appendix III, item 3(2) should read as follows:

    'Memoranda laid before the International Development Committee [Commonwealth Development Corporation]; to be printed [No. 766].'

    Entry No. 2 in Appendix III on 1st June 1998 should be deleted.

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1	Adjournment,--A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn--(Janet Anderson);
	And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.
2	Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,--Mr Nicholas Winterton reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Motor Vehicles (Approval) (Amendment) Regulations 1988 (S.I., 1998, No. 1008).
	Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
3	Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,--Mr Donald Anderson reported from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Contracting Out (Functions relating to National Savings) Order 1998.
	Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4	Electricity Generation Bill [Lords],--The Electricity Generation Bill [Lords] was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July and to be printed [Bill 197].
5	Drinks Containers (Redemption),--Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the redemption of certain drinks containers; and for connected purposes: And that Mr Christopher Leslie, Mr Andrew F. Bennett, Helen Southworth, Maria Eagle, Mr Paul Truswell, Mr Andrew Reed, Mr Andrew Love, Mr Fabian Hamilton, Angela Smith and Mr Norman Baker do prepare and bring it in.
6	Drinks Containers (Redemption) Bill,--Mr Christopher Leslie accordingly presented a Bill to provide for the redemption of certain drinks containers; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time: and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July and to be printed [Bill 195].
7	Human Rights Bill [Lords] (Programme),--A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 82 (Business Committee), That the Report [2nd June] from the Business Committee be now considered--(Jane Kennedy):--It was agreed to.
	Question put forthwith, That this House agrees with the Committee in its Resolution:--It was agreed to.
8	Human Rights Bill [Lords] (Committee) [First allotted day],--The House, accordingly to Order, again resolved itself into a Committee on the Human Rights Bill [Lords].
	(In the Committee)
	Clause No. 2 (Interpretation of Convention Rights).
	Amendment (No. 4) proposed, in page 2, line 2, to leave out the word 'must' and insert the word 'may', instead thereof--(Mr James Clappison.)
	Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
	Amendments (Nos. 119 and 137) made.
	Clause, as amended, agreed to.
	Clause No. 3 (Legislation).
	Amendment (No. 9) proposed, in page 2, line 37, to leave out the word 'possible' and insert the word 'reasonable', instead thereof.--(Mr James Clappison.)
	Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
	Another Amendment (No. 17) proposed, in page 2, line 46, to leave out from the word 'legislation' to the end of line 2 on page 3.--(Mr James Clappison.)
	Question put, That the Amendment be made.
	The Committee divided:
	Tellers for the Ayes, Sir David Madel, Mr Tim Collins: 129.
	Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr John McFall: 324.
	Clause agreed to.
	Clause No. 4 (Declaration of incompatibility).
	Amendment (No. 15) proposed, in page 3, line 7, at the end, to insert the words 'setting out the nature and extent thereof in so far as it arises from the nature of the case before the court.'--(Mr Edward Garnier.)
	Question put, That the Amendment be made.
	The Committee divided:
	Tellers for the Ayes, Sir David Madel, Mr Tim Collins: 128.
	Tellers for the Noes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Jim Dowd: 320.
	Another Amendment (No. 107) proposed, in page 3, line 24, at the end to insert the words--
	'(f) in Jersey, the Royal Court or the Court of Appeal;
	(g) in Guernsey, the Royal Court or the Court of Appeal;
	(h) in the Isle of Man, the High Court.'--(Mr Austin Mitchell.)
	Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:--Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
	Clause agreed to.
	Ordered, That the Chairman do report progress and ask leave to sit again.--(Mr Kevin Hughes.)

	The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr Kevin Hughes reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and that he was directed to move, That the Committee may have leave to sit again.
	Committee again to-morrow.
9	Adjournment,--Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.--(Mr Kevin Hughes.)
	And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty minutes to Twelve o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 11.40 p.m.
*Betty Boothroyd* *Speaker*
Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.
APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1	Value Added Tax,--Value Added Tax (Reduced Rate) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1375), dated 3rd June 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution.
2	Legal Aid, Advice and Assistance,--Legal Aid in Criminal Proceedings (Costs) (Amendment) Rules (Northern Ireland) 1998 (S.R.(N.I.), 1998, No. 200), dated 21st May 1998 [by Statutory Instrument] [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
3	Road Traffic,--Alterations in the provisions of the Highway Code proposed to be made by the Secretary of State for the Environment, Transport and the Regions pursuant to section 38 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
Other Papers:
4	Broadcasting,--(1) Financial Report and Accounts, and
	(2) Report
	of S4C for 1997 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
5	Dentists,--Accounts of the General Dental Council for 1997 [by Act] [Mrs Ann Taylor]
6	Local Government Finance,--Account of the Pooling of Non-Domestic Rates and Redistribution to Local Authorities in England for 1996-97, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 778] [Clerk of the House].
7	Reserve Forces,--Change 1 to the Regulations for the Royal Naval Reserve (BR60) [by Act] [Mr Secretary Robertson].
8	Statutory Instruments (Notification),--Communication declaring that the undermentioned Statutory Instrument had come into operation before copies were laid before Parliament, and explaining why such copies had not been so laid before the Instrument came into operation.
	Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1342)
	[by Standing Order] [The Speaker].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
1	Competition Bill [Lords],--The Committee of Selection has discharged from Standing Committee G Mr John M. Taylor (nominated in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Mr Tim Collins.
2	Chamber of Commerce (Protection of Title) Bill,--The Speaker has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman of Standing Committee C in respect of the Bill.
3	Draft Criminal Justice (Children) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998.
	(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and appointed Mr Bowen Wells Chairman; and
	(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr David Chaytor, Mr Iain Coleman, Mr Tony Colman, Mr Jeremy Corbyn, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Roger Godsiff, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr Stephen Hesford, Ms Beverley Hughes, Mr Andrew Hunter, Mr Adam Ingram, Mr Ken Maginnis, Mr Jim Marshall, Mr Malcolm Moss, Mr Ian Taylor and Mr David Trimble.
4	Draft Producer Responsibility Obligations (Northern Ireland) Order 1998:
	(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and
	(2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Ms Diane Abbott, Mr Charles Clarke, Mr Tony Colman, Tom Cox, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Clifford Forsythe, Mr Andrew Hunter, Ms Jenny Jones, Mrs Tess Kingham, Mr Malcolm Moss, Sir Raymond Powell, Mr Andrew Robathan, Sir Teddy Taylor, Mr Cecil Walker, Dr Alan Whitehead and Mr Tony Worthington.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1	Education and Employment,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education Sub-committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 3rd June [The Role of Headteachers]; to be printed [No. 725-iv] [Ms Margaret Hodge].
2	Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 3rd June [Regional Air Services]; to be printed [No. 589-ix] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
3	European Legislation,--Twenty-ninth Report from the Select Committee on European Legislation; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee Relating to the Report [No. 155-xxix] [Mr Jim Marshall].
4	Foreign Affairs,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee on 3rd June [Foreign Policy and Human Rights]; to be printed [No. 369-x] [Mr Donald Anderson].
5	Modernisation of the House of Commons,--Sixth Report from the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons [Voting Methods]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 779] [Mrs Ann Taylor].
6	Northern Ireland Affairs,--Second Special Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Response by the Government to the Second Report from the Committee, Session 1997-98, on Electoral Malpractice in Northern Ireland]; to be printed [No. 781] [Mr Peter Brooke].
7	Public Accounts,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of the Public Accounts on Wednesday 3rd June [Privatisation of the Rolling Stock Leasing Companies]; to be printed [No. 782-i] [Mr David Davis].
8	Science and Technology,--(1) Third Report from the Science and Technology Committee [Glaxo-Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham: The Merger Proposals]; together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 627]; and
	(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee on 3rd June [Engineering and Physical Sciences Based Innovation]; to be printed [No. 626-vi]
	[Mr Alan W. Williams]
9	Social Security,--Minutes of Evidence taken before the Social Security Committee on 3rd June [Success Measures]; to be printed [No. 777-i] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].

CORRIGENDUM
	In Votes and Proceedings for Thursday 21st May 1998, Appendix III, item 3(2) should read as follows:
	'Memoranda laid before the International Development Committee [Commonwealth Development Corporation]; to be printed [No. 766].'
	Entry No. 2 in Appendix III on 1st June 1998 should be deleted.