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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 26th October 1999

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1City of London (Ward Elections) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for further consideration of the City of London (Ward Elections) Bill, as amended in the Committee;
 
        Ordered, That the Bill be further considered on Tuesday 2nd November.
2First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mrs Ray Michie reported from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Value Added Tax (Sport, Sports Competitions and Physical Education) Order 1999 (S.I., 1999, No. 1994).
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
3Organic Food and Farming Targets Bill,—Joan Ruddock, supported by Norman Baker, Mr Colin Breed, Mr Cynog Dafis, Mr David Drew, Julia Drown, Jane Griffiths, Mr Martyn Jones, Mrs Diana Organ, Mr John Randall, Mr Andrew Robathan and Mrs Betty Williams, presented a Bill to make provision regarding the setting and achievement of targets for organic farming and food consumption; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 5th November and to be printed [Bill 153].
4Civil Registration (Access to Records),—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the law relating to access to registers of births, marriages and deaths; and for connected purposes: And that Mr Keith Darvill, Mrs Eileen Gordon, Mr David Drew, Mr Clive Efford, Mr Gareth R. Thomas (Harrow West), Mr David Lidington and Bob Russell do prepare and bring it in.
5Civil Registration (Access to Records) Bill,—Mr Keith Darvill accordingly presented a Bill to amend the law relating to access to registers of births, marriages and deaths; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 5th November and to be printed [Bill 154].
6Police Numbers, Asylum Seekers, Immigration Control and the Government's Handling of Revelations Relating to Cold War Spies,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes the Government's incompetent handling and mismanagement of Home Office issues in general; further notes that the number of police officers in England and Wales has fallen by more than 1,000 since the General Election; further notes that the Home Secretary's recent announcement on police recruits will mean another fall in the number of police officers in England and Wales; further notes the chaos caused by the Government in the Immigration and Nationality Directorate and the record numbers of asylum-seekers, many of them bogus, now arriving in the United Kingdom; further notes the recent revelations arising from the Mitrokhin Archive; and calls on the Government to increase police numbers, to improve the working of the Immigration and Nationality Directorate, to reduce the numbers of bogus asylum-seekers arriving in the United Kingdom and to ensure that those who betray the United Kingdom to foreign powers are pursued with the utmost vigour—(Miss Ann Widdecombe);
 
        An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 3, to leave out from the word 'House to the end of the Question and add the words 'applauds the Government for its achievements on Home Office issues; notes that the previous government left the youth justice system in disarray, left chaos in the immigration and asylum system, in particular as a result of provisions in the Asylum and Immigration Act 1996, and that police numbers fell by 1,500 between 1992-93 and 1997-98; further notes the action that the Government has taken in asking the Intelligence and Security Committee to review the handling of the Mitrokhin Archive, including key decisions taken before 1997; and welcomes the Government's initiatives to provide new money to fund the recruitment of 5,000 police officers over and above the number that would otherwise have been recruited, comprehensively to tackle crime and disorder and to develop a fairer, faster and firmer immigration and asylum system, through the Immigration and Asylum Bill, which will better serve genuine refugees and help reduce the number of abusive claims in the United Kingdom', instead thereof.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        And the Question being put, pursuant to Order [yesterday], That the original words stand part of the Question;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Stephen Day: 145.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Clelland, Mrs Anne McGuire: 371.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Order:—It was agreed to.
 
        The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House applauds the Government for its achievements on Home Office issues; notes that the previous government left the youth justice system in disarray, left chaos in the immigration and asylum system, in particular as a result of provisions in the Asylum and Immigration Act 1996, and that police numbers fell by 1,500 between 1992-93 and 1997-98; further notes the action that the Government has taken in asking the Intelligence and Security Committee to review the handling of the Mitrokhin Archive, including key decisions taken before 1997; and welcomes the Government's initiatives to provide new money to fund the recruitment of 5,000 police officers over and above the number that would otherwise have been recruited, comprehensively to tackle crime and disorder and to develop a fairer, faster and firmer immigration and asylum system, through the Immigration and Asylum Bill, which will better serve genuine refugees and help reduce the number of abusive claims in the United Kingdom.
7State of the National Health Service,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes and applauds the dedication of those who work in the National Health Service but regrets the inadequacy of the support they receive from Her Majesty's Government in their efforts to deliver a first-class service; deplores the mismanagement of the National Health Service by Her Majesty's Government; regrets the continued distortion of clinical priorities in favour of political targets; urges the new Secretary of State to acknowledge the damage the waiting list initiative has caused to the National Health Service and to abandon waiting list targets as a measure of performance; calls on him to acknowledge the existence of rationing in the National Health Service and to ensure that in future such rationing takes place solely on the basis of clinical need; and calls for a fully informed and wide-ranging debate on the future of health care delivery to ensure that the people of this country have the health services they deserve—(Dr Liam Fox);
 
        An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'applauds the dedication, skill and professionalism of the staff of the National Health Service but regrets that Her Majesty's Opposition seek to undermine the National Health Service at every turn; welcomes the Government's success in cutting waiting lists in line with its manifesto pledge and its programme to make services faster and more convenient; supports the Government's commitment to modernise cancer, heart disease and mental health services, and to ensure high standards of National Health Service care everywhere; notes that a modernised National Health Service funded through taxation and offering treatment according to need not ability to pay is both fairer and more efficient than private alternatives supported by the Opposition; and so believes that the National Health Service should be modernised not privatised', instead thereof.—(Mr Secretary Milburn.)
 
        And the Question being proposed, pursuant to Order [yesterday], That the original words stand part of the Question;
 
        Mr James Arbuthnot rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.
 
        And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:—It was agreed to.
 
        And the Question being accordingly put;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Stephen Day: 176.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 341.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Order;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 330.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Stephen Day: 167.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House applauds the dedication, skill and professionalism of the staff of the National Health Service but regrets that Her Majesty's Opposition seek to undermine the National Health Service at every turn; welcomes the Government's success in cutting waiting lists in line with its manifesto pledge and its programme to make services faster and more convenient; supports the Government's commitment to modernise cancer, heart disease and mental health services, and to ensure high standards of National Health Service care everywhere; notes that a modernised National Health Service funded through taxation and offering treatment according to need not ability to pay is both fairer and more efficient than private alternatives supported by the Opposition; and so believes that the National Health Service should be modernised not privatised.
8Public Petitions,—A Public Petition from residents of the constituency of Spelthorne against proposals to cut services at Ashford Hospital, Middlesex, was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
9Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Clive Betts.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till five minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 10.55 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1Dentists,—Draft Dental Auxiliaries (Amendment) Regulations 1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Milburn].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2National Health Service,—Bath and West Community National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1999 (S.I., 1999, No. 2918), dated 22nd October 1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Milburn].
3Northern Ireland,—(1) Criminal Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1999 (S.I., 1999, No. 2789), and
 
        (2) Employment Relations (Northern Ireland) Order 1999 (S.I., 1999, No. 2790),
 
    dated 12th October 1999 [by Act] [Margaret Beckett].
Other Papers:
4Criminal Justice,—Report and Accounts of the Parole Board for 1998-99, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 809] [Mr Secretary Straw].
5Development of Tourism,—Report for 1999 and Accounts for 1998-99 of the British Tourist Authority, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
6National Lottery,—Report of the Arts Council of England on the National Lottery for 1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
7Police,—Report of Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary for 1998-99 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 804] [Mr Secretary Straw].
8Police (Scotland),—Report of Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary for Scotland for 1998-99 [by Command] [Cm. 4464] [Mr Secretary Reid].
9Sports Councils,—Review of sportscotland (previously the Scottish Sports Council) and Accounts of the Scottish Sports Council Group for 1998-99, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Mr Secretary Reid].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
Draft Financial Services Act 1986 (Restriction of Exemption) Order 1999,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Neil Gerrard and Mr Jonathan R. Shaw from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Dr Brian Iddon and Dr Howard Stoate.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1Agriculture,—(1) Ninth Report from the Agriculture Committee [MAFF/Intervention Board Departmental Report 1999], together with an Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 852];
 
        (2) Seventh Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Eighth Report from the Committee, on Sea Fishing], together with an Appendix; to be printed [No. 853];
 
        (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Marketing of Milk]; to be printed [No. 830-ii]; and
 
        (4) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Implications for UK Agriculture and EU Agricultural Policy of Trade Liberalisation and the WTO Round; Marketing of Milk; Segregation of GM Foods]
 
    [Mr Peter Luff].
2Defence,—(1) Sixth Report from the Defence Committee [The Reserves Call Out Order 1999 and Progress of Territorial Army Restructuring]; to be printed, with Memoranda and the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 860]; and
 
        (2) Seventh Report from the Committee [The Strategic Defence Review: Defence Medical Services], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 447]
 
    [Mr Bruce George].
3Education and Employment and Social Security,—(1) Sixth Special Report from the Education and Employment Committee, and
 
        (2) Fifth Special Report from the Social Security Committee [Government Response to the Sixth Report from the Education and Employment Committee and the Seventh Report from the Social Security Committee, on the ONE Service Pilots]; to be printed [No. 855] [Mr Derek Foster and Mr Archy Kirkwood].
4Education and Employment,—(1) Seventh Special Report from the Education and Employment Committee [Government Response to the Seventh Report from the Committee, on the Performance and Future Role of the Employment Service]; to be printed [No. 858]; and
 
        (2) Eighth Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Fifth Report from the Committee, on the Role of School Governors]; to be printed [No. 859]
 
    [Mr Derek Foster].
5Environmental Audit,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee [EU Environmental Policy Integration]; to be printed [No. 384-ii]; and
 
        (2) Memorandum laid before the Committee [A Sustainable Millennium Round]
 
    [Mr John Horam].
6Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [The Work of the Health and Safety Executive]; to be printed [No. 828-i]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Committee [The Work of the Health and Safety Executive; The Environment Agency]; to be printed [Nos. 828 and 829]
 
    [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].
7Foreign Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee [Relations with the Russian Federation]; to be printed [No. 815-ii] [Mr Donald Anderson].
8Home Affairs,—(1) Fourth Special Report from the Home Affairs Committee [Further Government Observations on the Fourth Report from the Committee, Session 1997-98, on Electoral Law and Administration]; to be printed [No. 856]; and
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Work of the Home Office]; to be printed [No. 857]
 
    [Mr Robin Corbett].
9Public Administration,—Fifth Special Report from the Select Committee on Public Administration [Government Response to the Third Report from the Committee, on the Freedom of Information Draft Bill]; to be printed [No. 831] [Dr Tony Wright].
10Statutory Instruments,—Twenty-Eighth Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 50-xxviii] [Mr David Tredinnick].
11Trade and Industry,—Fourteenth Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [Draft Electronic Communications Bill], together with Appendices; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 862] [Mr Martin O'Neill].
12Treasury,—(1) Tenth Report from the Treasury Committee [Valuation Office Agency], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee of the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 420];
 
        (2) Seventh Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Seventh Report from the Committee, on Public Service Agreements]; to be printed [No. 849];
 
        (3) Eighth Special Report from the Committee [Responses by the Government and the Bank of England to the Eighth Report from the Committee, on the Monetary Policy Committee—Two Years On]; to be printed [No. 850];
 
        (4) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [International Monetary Fund]; to be printed [No. 851-i]; and
 
        (5) Memoranda laid before the Sub-Committee of the Committee [Valuation Office Agency]
 
    [Mr Giles Radice].
13Welsh Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee [The Role of the Secretary of State for Wales; European Structural Funds]; to be printed [Nos. 854 and 861-i] [Mr Martyn Jones].


CORRIGENDUM
In the Votes and Proceedings for Monday 24th May 1999, on page 536, Appendix III, item 2 (3) should have read as follows:
 
        Eighteenth Report from the Committee of Public Accounts [Ministry of Defence: Appropriation Accounts 1997-98]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 207] [Mr David Davis].



 
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