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Mr. Wilson : As I would expect from my erudite colleague, he has made the precise philosophical point.

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We know that this is not about saving public money ; it is about selling public assets on the cheap, yet the Government will have to dole out money to pay for that. It is apparent from sub-paragraph (iii) that it will not even be a self-financing exercise and is therefore very misguided.

I regret that I have not been able to deal with sub-paragraph (iv) and I wish that we could return another evening to discuss that. I shall end by dealing with paragraph (b). These moneys are to be spent on purposes that we regard as unworthy and unwanted in Scotland. The Bill is an imposition on the Scottish people. It is not an earth-shattering piece of legislation, but an irritating piece of legislation. That is why we oppose it and why we shall try to improve it in Committee.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland (Lord James Douglas-Hamilton) : Is the hon. Gentleman aware that subsidies are provided under the Highland and Islands (Shipping Services) Act 1960? That is different matter from this money resolution.

Mr. Wilson : There is a thin line between the general financing of Caledonian MacBrayne and the specific question of subsidies to Caledonian MacBrayne. It would be careless to us to assume that the residue of money-- I hope that this will never happen if Caledonian MacBrayne

It being three-quarters of an hour after the commencement of proceedings on the motion, Mr. Deputy Speaker-- put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 14 (Exempted Business) :--

The House divided : Ayes 158, Noes 57.

Division No. 20] [1.29 am


Adley, Robert

Aitken, Jonathan

Alison, Rt Hon Michael

Amess, David

Amos, Alan

Arbuthnot, James

Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)

Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove)

Ashby, David

Aspinwall, Jack

Atkinson, David

Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)

Batiste, Spencer

Beaumont-Dark, Anthony

Bellingham, Henry

Bendall, Vivian

Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)

Bevan, David Gilroy

Body, Sir Richard

Bonsor, Sir Nicholas

Boscawen, Hon Robert

Bottomley, Peter

Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)

Bowis, John

Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes

Brazier, Julian

Bright, Graham

Burt, Alistair

Butterfill, John

Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)

Carrington, Matthew

Cash, William

Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda

Channon, Rt Hon Paul

Chapman, Sydney

Conway, Derek

Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)

Coombs, Simon (Swindon)

Cope, Rt Hon John

Cran, James

Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)

Davis, David (Boothferry)

Day, Stephen

Devlin, Tim

Dorrell, Stephen

Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James

Dunn, Bob

Durant, Tony

Fallon, Michael

Favell, Tony

Fenner, Dame Peggy

Fishburn, John Dudley

Forman, Nigel

Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)

Forth, Eric

Franks, Cecil

Freeman, Roger

French, Douglas

Garel-Jones, Tristan

Gill, Christopher

Goodhart, Sir Philip

Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles

Gorman, Mrs Teresa

Gow, Ian

Greenway, John (Ryedale)

Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)

Grist, Ian

Ground, Patrick

Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)

Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)

Hanley, Jeremy

Hannam, John

Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')

Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)

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Harris, David

Hawkins, Christopher

Hayes, Jerry

Hayward, Robert

Heathcoat-Amory, David

Hind, Kenneth

Holt, Richard

Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)

Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)

Hunt, David (Wirral W)

Hunter, Andrew

Irvine, Michael

Jack, Michael

Janman, Tim

Jones, Robert B (Herts W)

Kirkhope, Timothy

Knapman, Roger

Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)

Lang, Ian

Latham, Michael

Lawrence, Ivan

Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark

Lightbown, David

Lilley, Peter

Lord, Michael

Lyell, Sir Nicholas

Mans, Keith

Marland, Paul

Martin, David (Portsmouth S)

Mawhinney, Dr Brian

Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick

Meyer, Sir Anthony

Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)

Miller, Sir Hal

Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)

Monro, Sir Hector

Montgomery, Sir Fergus

Moore, Rt Hon John

Morris, M (N'hampton S)

Morrison, Sir Charles

Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester)

Moss, Malcolm

Nelson, Anthony

Neubert, Michael

Nicholls, Patrick

Nicholson, David (Taunton)

Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)

Paice, James

Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth

Porter, Barry (Wirral S)

Porter, David (Waveney)

Portillo, Michael

Redwood, John

Riddick, Graham

Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm

Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)

Roe, Mrs Marion

Sackville, Hon Tom

Sayeed, Jonathan

Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)

Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)

Sims, Roger

Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)

Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)

Speller, Tony

Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)

Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)

Squire, Robin

Stanbrook, Ivor

Stern, Michael

Stevens, Lewis

Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)

Stradling Thomas, Sir John

Summerson, Hugo

Taylor, John M (Solihull)

Temple-Morris, Peter

Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)

Thurnham, Peter

Waddington, Rt Hon David

Wallace, James

Waller, Gary

Wells, Bowen

Widdecombe, Ann

Wiggin, Jerry

Tellers for the Ayes :

Mr. David Maclean and

Mr. Kenneth Carlisle.


Abbott, Ms Diane

Anderson, Donald

Banks, Tony (Newham NW)

Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)

Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)

Buchan, Norman

Buckley, George J.

Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley)

Canavan, Dennis

Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)

Clelland, David

Cohen, Harry

Cryer, Bob

Cummings, John

Darling, Alistair

Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)

Dixon, Don

Douglas, Dick

Evans, John (St Helens N)

Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)

Foster, Derek

Foulkes, George

Fyfe, Maria

Galbraith, Sam

Galloway, George

Graham, Thomas

Haynes, Frank

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