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Vaughan, Sir GerardWalker, A. Cecil (Belfast N)
Walters, Sir Dennis
Whitney, Ray
Widdecombe, Ann
Tellers for the Ayes :
Sir Rhodes Boyson and
Mr. James Pawsey.
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Bermingham, Gerald
Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)
Carrington, Matthew
Cohen, Harry
Corbett, Robin
Corbyn, Jeremy
Cox, Tom
Cryer, Bob
Darling, Alistair
Dixon, Don
Fraser, John
Godman, Dr Norman A.
Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Heffer, Eric S.
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Mo n)
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Lamond, James
Livsey, Richard
Meale, Alan
Mullin, Chris
Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Porter, Barry (Wirral S)
Richardson, Jo
Ruddock, Joan
Sedgemore, Brian
Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury)
Stern, Michael
Wareing, Robert N.
Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Wise, Mrs Audrey
Wray, Jimmy
Tellers for the Noes :
Mr. Andrew F. Bennett and
Mr. Gary Waller.
Mr. Deputy Speaker : Order. Since fewer than 100 Members voted in the majority the Question is not decided in the affirmative. It being after half-past Two o'clock, the debate stood adjourned. Debate to be resumed on Friday 21 April.
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Order for Second reading read.
Second Reading deferred till Friday 17 February.
Order for Second reading read.
Second Reading deferred till Friday 17 February.
Mr. Deputy Speaker : Second Reading, what day?
Ms. Jo Richardson (Barking) : With the permission of the sponsor, Friday 7 April.
Mr. Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) : Who objected to that?
Order for Second Reading read.
Second Reading deferred till Friday 17 February.
Mr. Deputy Speaker : Second Reading, what day?
Sir Rhodes Boyson (Brent, North) : With the permission of the sponsor, Friday 17 February.
Order for Second Reading read.
Mr. Alan Meale (Mansfield) : With the permission of the sponsor, Friday 17 February.
Second reading deferred till Friday 17 February.
Second Reading deferred till Friday 17 February.
Mr. Jeremy Corbyn (Islington, North) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I did not hear anyone shout "object" to the excellent Bill of my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow, Provan (Mr. Wray). I heard some muttering from the hon. Member for Watford (Mr. Garel-Jones). Can you confirm that he made a late objection, or was there no objection?
Mr. Deputy Speaker : I heard the distinct sound of an objection from an unidentified part of the House.
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Mr. Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) : Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There certainly was muttering from the corner alluded to by my hon. Friend the Member for Islington, North (Mr. Corbyn). It may have been the Whip, the hon. Member for Watford (Mr. Garel-Jones), or Conservative Members behind him who have been engaged in political skullduggery to do with the Abortion (Amendment) Bill and who are sitting in the places usually reserved for Ministers. What if the Whip--
Mr. Deputy Speaker : Order. I have dealt with that : I heard the word "object".
Order read for resuming adjourned debate on Second Reading [27 January].
Debate further adjourned till Friday 17 February.
Ordered,
That Mr. Andrew Smith be discharged from the Social Services Committee and Mr. Ian McCartney be added to the Committee-- [Sir Marcus Fox, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.]
Ordered,
That Mr. Lewis Stevens be discharged from the Employment Committee and Mr. Tim Janman be added to the Committee-- [Sir Marcus Fox, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.]
Ordered,
That Mrs. Maureen Hicks be discharged from the Education, Science and Arts Committee and Mr. Jacques Arnold be added to the Committee-- [Sir Marcus Fox, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.]
Mr. Ieuan Wyn Jones (Ynys Mo n) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If an hon. Member has an interest to declare, should he not declare it before shouting "object"?
Mr. Deputy Speaker : The House knows that hon. Members are obliged to record their interests in the Register of Interests. I have no power to require them to comply with the hon. Gentleman's suggestion.
Mr. Barry Porter (Wirral, South) : Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and following the remarks
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of the hon. Member for Ynys Mo n (Mr. Jones), I do have an interest. Sadly, I was unable to declare it or to outline my objections to his Bill in debate. The hon. Gentleman knows as well as I that there is some conflict between the industry and the idea that he wants to promote--but that is not irrecoverable--Mr. Deputy Speaker : Order. I cannot allow the hon. Gentleman to make the speech that he might have made had we been debating the Bill. For him to enter upon a contentious matter like that would place an obligation on the Chair to allow contrary points of view. I cannot allow that to happen.
Mr. Ieuan Wyn Jones : Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I seek your guidance. If an hon. Member has an interest is he allowed to object?
Mr. Deputy Speaker : There is no Standing Order or convention of the House that requires an hon. Member to declare any such interest.
Mr. Corbyn : Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker--
Mr. Deputy Speaker : I do not think that the point of order has been made clear.
Mr. Corbyn : Two hon. Members have raised points of order, from which it seems that there is a great deal of unfinished business and unstated remarks on matters that have started. Are you prepared to allow the hon. Member concerned to express his interest in this matter.
Several Hon. Members rose --
Mr. Deputy Speaker : Order. I thought I had made it clear that was just what I was not prepared to do, nor could I allow it.
Mr. Gerald Bermingham (St. Helens, South) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Perhaps you could assist newcomers like me by saying how we are to know, in the heat of debate, what an interest is if we are not allowed to be told?
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