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Rev. Ian Paisley (Antrim, North) : Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Mr. Randall : No, I shall not.
The spirit behind the deregulation of the Sunday trading laws coincides with the deregulatory attitude adopted by the hon. Member for Berkshire, East.
My hon. Friend the Member for Dumbarton said that in Ireland there is racing on Sundays and that the betting shops are closed. He felt that we should consider following that practice. He also mentioned the trade unions and said that the TGWU and USDAW are opposed to the Bill because of the serious effects that it will have on employees in the industry.
If we are to make progress we must ensure that the terms and conditions of workers, as outlined in the Bill, are made appreciably better. People should be able to feel that they can work on a Sunday if they desire without its having an unacceptable effect on their way of life.
The hon. Member for Crawley spoke about the law being in disrepute and he is correct. As I said in answer to the hon. Gentleman's earlier intervention, the important thing is how we work in the future to re- establish the law's repute. The hon. Gentleman said that he does not believe that the Bill is a stalking horse for Sunday trading, but I am not sure that that is so. I have my doubts and I believe that many people in the country are suspicious. I believe that--
Mr. Andrew MacKay rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be no put.
Question put, That the Question be now put :--
The House divided : Ayes 51, Noes 67.
Division No. 102] [2.25 pm
AYES
Adley, Robert
Alexander, Richard
Arbuthnot, James
Atkinson, David
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)
Baldry, Tony
Bowis, John
Browne, John (Winchester)
Buck, Sir Antony
Carlisle, John, (Luton N)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)
Cohen, Harry
Colvin, Michael
Currie, Mrs Edwina
Davis, David (Boothferry)
Dorrell, Stephen
Durant, Tony
Eggar, Tim
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)
Fraser, John
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Gow, Ian
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)
Haselhurst, Alan
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Holt, Richard
Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath)
Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Column 679
Janman, TimKnapman, Roger
Knox, David
MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick
Morrison, Sir Charles
Nelson, Anthony
Rathbone, Tim
Rhodes James, Robert
Richardson, Jo
Ruddock, Joan
Shaw, David (Dover)
Sims, Roger
Soames, Hon Nicholas
Summerson, Hugo
Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Waller, Gary
Walters, Sir Dennis
Wells, Bowen
Wheeler, John
Whitney, Ray
Tellers for the Ayes :
Mr. James Couchman and
Mr. Peter Thurnham.
NOES
Alison, Rt Hon Michael
Allen, Graham
Alton, David
Anderson, Donald
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)
Battle, John
Beggs, Roy
Benyon, W.
Carrington, Matthew
Corbyn, Jeremy
Cousins, Jim
Cryer, Bob
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)
Dover, Den
Dunnachie, Jimmy
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth
Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Flynn, Paul
Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S)
Goodhart, Sir Philip
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Ground, Patrick
Hinchliffe, David
Hughes, John (Coventry NE)
Hughes, Roy (Newport E)
Jessel, Toby
Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Mo n)
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Kennedy, Charles
Lofthouse, Geoffrey
McAvoy, Thomas
McCrea, Rev William
McCusker, Harold
Macdonald, Calum A.
McFall, John
Maclennan, Robert
Madden, Max
Maginnis, Ken
Marek, Dr John
Martlew, Eric
Meale, Alan
Michael, Alun
Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
Murphy, Paul
Nellist, Dave
Paisley, Rev Ian
Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Quin, Ms Joyce
Randall, Stuart
Robinson, Peter (Belfast E)
Rossi, Sir Hugh
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Spearing, Nigel
Stanbrook, Ivor
Straw, Jack
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Turner, Dennis
Walker, A. Cecil (Belfast N)
Wareing, Robert N.
Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Widdecombe, Ann
Wise, Mrs Audrey
Young, David (Bolton SE)
Tellers for the Noes :
Mr. A. E. P. Duffy and
Mr A. J. Beith.
Question accordingly negatived.
It being after half-past Two o'clock, the debate stood adjourned. Debate to be resumed on Friday 24 February.
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