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Small Businesses
Mr. Heppell : To ask the President of the Board of Trade what plans he has to make borrowing easier for small businesses seeking to expand after the recession.
Mr. Leigh [holding answer 18 May 1993] : Significant improvements to the loan guarantee scheme, as announced by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his Budget statement, will be introduced from 1 July. There is an increase in the guarantee level from 70 per cent. to 85 per cent. aimed at those who lack security to offer against a loan. Also, for established businesses with a track record, the maximum loan size will be increased to £250,000. For all businesses, the premium payable to the DTI, by borrowers, will be reduced to 1.5 per cent. of the outstanding loan in respect of variable rate lending, to 0.5 per cent. in respect of fixed rate lending and to 0.5 per cent. for borrowers in inner city task forces and city challenge areas.
The Government are supporting five projects which are looking at ways of bringing together business angels--informal investors--and small businesses seeking investment.
DEFENCE
LPH Helicopter Carrier
Mr. Eastham : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the source of the main propulsion engines for the LPH helicopter carrier ; and what plans he has to encourage United Kingdom companies to offer to undertake their manufacture.
Mr. Aitken : The selection of the main propulsion engines for this ship is the responsibility of the prime
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contractor, VSEL, which has invited tenders from a number of engine manufacturers including United Kingdom companies. Industry was made aware of this opportunity by means of an MOD contract bulletin published in March 1992.Sub-strategic Nuclear Weapons
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer of 4 May, Official Report, column 20, what specific contribution sub-strategic nuclear weapons make towards the United Kingdom's deterrence posture ; and if he will make a statement.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : The sub-strategic nuclear capability ensures the coherence of our overall deterrent posture by providing the essential link between conventional and strategic nuclear forces.
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what is his Department's latest assessment of the number of sub-strategic nuclear weapons deployed by Russia.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : Many Russian sub-strategic forces are being withdrawn from service and are earmarked for destruction, but it is estimated that some 12,000 warheads remain. Many of these are not assessed as being fully operational.
WE177
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his statement of 27 October 1992, Official Report, column 858, when he expects to make an announcement regarding a possible future replacement for the WE177.
Mr. Aitken : I refer the hon. Gentleman to the answer given to the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, North (Ms Walley) on 20 May 1993 Official Report, column 263.
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what actions have been taken by his Department following paragraph 12 of the Statement on the Defence Estimates 1989 to ensure that the WE177 will remain serviceable well into the first decade of the next century.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : We maintain a continuing monitoring programme of our stockpile of WE177 free fall bombs to assess their remaining life. Based on this, we now expect that the WE177 will remain safe and serviceable well into the first decade of the next century.
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) when was the last occasion on which the annual "Statement on the Defence Estimates" was debated by the House of Commons ;
(2) how many times since 1963 the annual defence estimates have not been debated by the House of Commons.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : These are matters of public record.
Conventional Forces
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what is his Department's assessment of the balance of conventional forces between the North Atlantic Treaty
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Organisation and Russia in (i) infantry, (ii) main battle tanks, (iii) armoured combat vehicles and (iv) combat aircraft.Column 456
Mr. Archie Hamilton : National declarations by signatories of the conventional armed forces in Europe treaty show that between the Atlantic and the Urals, the following forces are held by NATO and Russia at 1 January 1993 :
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|Personnel |Main battle tanks|Armoured combat |Combat aircraft
|vehicles
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NATO |2,590,784 |23,424 |32,255 |4,901
Russia<1> |1,298,299 |8,893 |18,834 |4,387
<1> These figures represent the forces of Russia only and do not include the forces of the other countries
in the former Soviet Union or the forces of the countries of the former Warsaw pact.
Trident
Mr. Flynn : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether Trident is capable of fulfilling the role of a tactical air-to-surface missile.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave him on 4 May, Official Report, column 19.
Templeton Airfield
Mr. Ainger : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what use is made of the three communication aerials on Templeton airfield for purposes other than for his Department's communications.
Mr. Aitken : The aerials are used solely for defence purposes.
Nuclear Convoy (Erskine Bridge)
Mr. Graham : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement about the breakdown of a nuclear convoy on the Erskine bridge on 18 May.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : A military convoy stopped near the Erskine bridge on 18 May while a defective tractor unit was inspected and replaced. At no time was there any danger to the public or convoy personnel. It is long-standing Government policy not to confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons at any particular place or time.
British Army of the Rhine
Mr. Morgan : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those forms of advice and assistance provided by the British Frontier Service for soldiers serving in the British Army of the Rhine.
Mr. Archie Hamilton : The British frontier services provides advice to the British military authorities in Germany on a variety of customs and immigration issues ; it also advises and, where appropriate, assists individual service personnel, United Kingdom-based civilians and their dependants on these matters.
SOCIAL SECURITY
Benefits (Automated Credit Transfer)
Ms Janet Anderson : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security, pursuant to his answer of 11 May, Official Report, columns 445- 46, on automated credit transfer, if
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he will publish details of the type of building society or bank account held by 65 per cent. of pensioners and benefit recipients currently paid through the post office ; and what percentage of these are savings accounts.Miss Widdecombe : The information is not available in the form requested. A limited survey was carried out in July 1991 on the type of accounts held by recipients of retirement pension, income support and child benefit only ; information on recipients of other benefits is not available. The research asked only about accounts that were suitable for automated credit transfer--ACT--payments, and those that were not are excluded. It should also be noted that the income support figures contain a number of customers paid by girocheque, not all of whom may actually use the post office.
The information available is in the tables. Totals exceed 100 per cent. because many people have more than one type of account.
DSS customers using the post office who have accounts
suitable for ACT
|Per cent.
------------------------------------------------------------
Child benefit
Bank account:
Current, with interest |22
Current, no interest |41
Savings-deposit |16
Building Society:
With cheque book |5
No cheque book |46
Other: |7
At least one account suitable for ACT |82
No such account/don't know |16
Refused |2
Retirement pension
Bank account
Current, with interest |23
Current, no interest |31
Savings/deposit |19
Building Society:
With cheque book |4
No cheque book |41
Other: |17
At least one account suitable for ACT |83
No such account/don't know |17
Income support
Bank account:
Current, with interest |19
Current, no interest |10
Savings/deposit |10
Building Society:
With cheque book |3
No cheque book |19
Other: |9
At least one account suitable for ACT |55
No such account/don't know |45
Income Maintenance
Mr. Ieuan Wyn Jones : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security what estimates he has for the overall cost of provision for income maintenance in Wales ; and if he will indicate (a) the estimated cash expenditures, (b) the estimated tax expenditures and (c) the estimated costs of administration.
Mr. Burt : Information is not available in the precise form requested. The only income maintenance cash expenditure information available specifically for people residing in Wales is expenditure on housing benefit and income support. The latest available expenditure figures are £380 million for housing benefit for 1992-93 and £442 million for income support for 1989-90. The latest estimates for personal tax allowances and tax relief on earnings and investments, excluding MIRAS, are around £6,740 million for 1990-91.
The latest estimate for the cost of the administration of all social security benefits by the Benefits Agency in Wales is £55.3 million for 1992-93. The estimated budget for the administration of tax in Wales for 1993-94 is £78 million .
Notes :
Table 8.7 of CSO Regional Trends 27 (1992).
Figures underlying Table of the Departmental Report (Cm. 2213). Excludes any apportionment to Wales for expenditure on forms and central computer systems.
Benefit Costs
Mr. Matthew Banks : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security what is the daily equivalent cost per working person of spending on social security.
Mr. Burt : Based on estimates of the grand total of social security spending for 1993-94, the daily equivalent cost per working person is around £13.
Computerisation
Mr. Colvin : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security if he will make a statement on the level of savings in costs and time brought about by the computerisation within his Department.
Miss Widdecombe : The Department has achieved some £124 million savings from its computerisation programme operational strategy over the four years up to 1991-92, the latest date for which figures are available.
Over the same period, there have been corresponding improvements in claims clearance times for those benefits which changed from a clerical to a computerised system, as follows :
|Clerical System |Computerised System
|1987-88 Days |1991-92 Days
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IS Claims |6.1 |4.0
RP Claims |24.7 |15.8
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Income Support
Mr. Wigley : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security how many (a) men and (b) women (i) under and (ii) over pensionable age are dependent on income support in Wales.
Mr. Burt : The information is in the table.
Numbers receiving income support in Wales
|Claimants and |Claimants and |Total
|partners under age|partners aged 60
|60 |and over
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Men |108,000 |27,000 |135,000
Women |124,000 |80,000 |204,000
|------- |------- |-------
Total |232,000 |107,000 |339,000
Notes:
1. Source: Income Support Statistics Annual Enquiry May 1992.
2. All figures are rounded to the nearest thousand.
3. For the purposes of this reply the term "pensionable age" has been defined as 60 years old,
this is consistent with the age at which Pensioner Premiums become payable with Income
Support.
Compensation Scheme
Mr. Bradley : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security how much compensation was paid to benefit recipients by the Benefits Agency in the last 12 months for which figures are available ; and if he will break this figure down by benefit.
Miss Widdecombe : The latest year for which definitive figures are available is 1991-92.
A breakdown of the figures is only available for five benefits. The figures for these benefits are as follows :
Benefit |Amount paid (£'s)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Maternity allowance |294
Retirement pension |177,367
Widows benefit/pension |31,242
Invalidity benefit |80,639
Income support |459,849
|-------
Total |749,391
Figures for the remaining benefits are not kept separately.
Concessionary Bus Passes
Mr. Winnick : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security (1) when was the last occasion that Walsall council contacted his Department regarding the concessionary bus pass for those in receipt of the disability living allowance ; what advice was given to the council in this respect ; and if a Minister will now write to the council ;
(2) what action his Department will be taking if a council refuses to follow its advice regarding those entitled to the concessionary bus pass ;
(3) pursuant to his answer on 7 May, Official Report, column 299, what has been the latest response received from Walsall council regarding allowing those in receipt of the disability living allowance to have the concessionary bus pass.
Mr. Scott : Walsall metropolitan borough council wrote to the Department on 10 May with the observations of the
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council's lawyers on section 73(14) of the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992. The Department is engaged in negotiations with the Council in an attempt to come to an agreement as to the scope of section 73(14) and its applicability to the council's concessionary fare scheme. The Department will consider, at the conclusion of those negotiations, whether further action is necessary.Appeals Tribunals
Dr. Godman : To ask the Secretary of State for Social Security how many individuals sought appeals in (a) social security appeals tribunals and (b) medical appeals tribunals in the last year for which figures are available in (i) Strathclyde and (ii) Scotland as a whole ; and what were the results of these appeals.
Mr. Burt : The information is not available in the form requested since national administrative appeal statistics for appeal tribunals are not available for areas smaller than a former social security region ; and since available figures give details of workflows rather than the outcome of individual appeals. The last full year for which figures are available is 1991. The table provides details for Scotland as a whole.
1991 social security and medical
appeal tribunal
statistics for Scotland
|SSATS |MATS
---------------------------------------
1991
Appeals lodged |22,838|4,798
Not admitted |635 |38
Lapsed |3,791 |-
Withdrawn |1,681 |223
Struck out/abated |3 |4
Heard |7,589 |2,662
For appellant |2,752 |1,178
Source: DSS Annual Social Security and
Medical Appeal Tribunal Statistics.
NORTHERN IRELAND
Ballyconnnell Canal
Mr. William Ross : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will publish a table to show the Intereg funding for projects in Northern Ireland for each of the last three years ; what is the projection for the current year ; what sums were expended on the Ballyconnell canal joint project ; and what percentage of the total sums donated to Northern Ireland this represented.
Mr. Mates : EC funding from the Northern Ireland/Ireland Intereg programme is designed to assist both cross-border projects and projects which fall within the eligible areas of either member state.
The figures in the table show EC funding expended by Northern Ireland under Intereg since the initiative was approved in July 1991.
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|Northern Ireland |Northern Ireland
|expenditure under |Intereg expenditure
|Intereg |on Ballyconnell
|canal
|£ million |£ million |Percentage
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1991 |4.9 |0.5 |10
1992 |8.9 |0.9 |10
<1>1993 |18.4 |- |-
|----- |----- |-----
Total |32.2 |1.3 |4
<1> Represents a projected figure and assumes that the value of the pound will remain 1.256 against
the ecu.
Mr. William Ross : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how much of the sums expended on the Ballyconnell canal joint project was expended on administration and support services ; and how much on actual construction and remedial works.
Mr. Hanley : The Ballyconnell canal joint project is estimated to cost IR£30 million. Cumulative expenditure at 31 March was IR£23.69 million. This was in respect of feasibility studies and site investigations, land acquisition costs, construction costs, site supervision and project management costs incurred by the Electricity Supply Board in the Republic of Ireland. The Northern Ireland contribution to the project is capped at IR£2.4 million and cumulative expenditure at 31 March 1993 was IR£2.3 million. Details of the administrative overhead costs incurred by the two sponsoring Governments in overseeing the project are not available.
Charities
Mr. Maginnis : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when he expects to introduce legislation which will enable the Government to collect and release information about the charitable status of organisations in Northern Ireland and which will bring that part of the United Kingdom into line with England, Scotland and Wales.
Mr. Mates : The Government are reviewing the law relating to charities in Northern Ireland and this review will include the arrangements for the provision of information on charities to the public. Any proposals for a change in legislation will be presented in due course and consultation will take place in the normal way.
Fire Sprinkler Systems
Rev. Martin Smyth : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what statistics he has on the effectiveness against fire of sprinkler systems fitted to buildings in Northern Ireland, including the percentage of occasions on which they fail to operate, or operate inadequately.
Mr. Atkins : There are no statistics available on sprinkler effectiveness. However the fire brigade reports that, in its experience, operational failures are extremely rare and that sprinkler systems provide a highly reliable method of automatically controlling fire.
Rev. Martin Smyth : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the effect of blast on sprinkler systems fitted to buildings in Northern Ireland.
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Mr. Atkins : Depending on the severity and location of a blast and whether it is accompanied by fire, a sprinkler system may either be unaffected, or be activated by mechanical disturbance or fire, or be disabled as a result of damage to the building structure or the water supply to the system.
The fire brigade reports that, in practice, blasts caused by bombs or blast incendiaries have had little detrimental effect on the operation of sprinkler systems.
Interview Expenses
Mr. Beggs : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how many people have received travelling expenses from the Training and Employment Agency for travel to a job interview in each of the last three years ;
(2) how many people who received travelling expenses in each of the last three years from the Training and Employment Agency to attend a first job interview and who have been shortlisted for a second interview have been unable to attend because travelling expenses funding has not been allowed for a second interview.
Mr. Atkins : Responsibility for the subject in question is a matter for the Training and Employment Agency under its Chief Executive, Mr. J. S. Crozier. I have asked him to arrange for a reply to be given. Letter from J. S. Crozier to Mr. Roy Beggs, dated 20 May 1993 : You asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland to state how many people have received travelling expenses from the Training and Employment Agency for travel to a job interview in each of the last three years.
The Information you requested is as follows :--
Financial Year |Number of Approved
|Applicants
---------------------------------------------------------
1990-91 |1,124
1991-92 |1,363
1992-93 |1,256
In a further question you asked how many of those included in the above who received assistance from the Training and Employment Agency to attend a first job interview and were short listed for a second interview were unable to attend because travelling expenses funding was not allowed.
All applicants who apply to the Training and Employment Agency for assistance under the Travel to Interview Scheme are formally advised of the conditions which relate to entitlement for support prior to this being given. These conditions are, that the applicant must not have had assistance under the Scheme for a previous interview for the same job. This arises from the fact that as limited funds are available, it is not possible to help at every stage of a lengthy selection procedure. Second interview applications are not accepted and as a result no statistical information is available in this area.
Building Regulations
Rev. Martin Smyth : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, pursuant to his answer of 19 January Official Report, column 175, if the European Commission has yet completed its consideration of his proposals for amendment to parts E and EE of the Building Regulations (NI) 1990 ; and what observations the European Commission has made.
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Mr. Atkins : The proposed amendments to parts E and EE of the Building Regulations (NI) 1990 have not yet been submitted to the European Commission.
Hostel Accommodation
Mr. Beggs : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the average length of stay for single occupants of hostel accommodation funded by the DHSS in Northern Ireland.
Mr. Atkins : While the Department of Health and Social Services provides housing benefit assistance to many hostel residents, it does not fund hostel accommodation in Northern Ireland.
This is, instead, a matter for the Northern Ireland Housing Executive and I have been advised by the chairman that although an average figure based on the length of stay of all single persons on hostel accommodation is not readily available, it is estimated that single persons who have been accepted as homeless and in priority need under the terms of the Housing (NI) Order 1988, and placed in hostel accommodation by the Executive, spend an average of 8.6 weeks there before being permanently rehoused.
Building Regulations
Rev. Martin Smyth : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will make it his policy to take account of the effects of the amendment to the England and Wales Approved Document B (Building Regulations, Fire) before deciding whether it should be followed in Northern Ireland.
Mr. Atkins : Northern Ireland Building Regulations closely reflect and are based on the equivalent regulations in England and Wales. In deciding that the fire safety requirements developed for England and Wales, and expressed in approved document B, should be adopted for Northern Ireland, account has been taken of the development of those requirements, the approved document in its final form and of experience of its operation since it came into force on 1 June 1992. The Department of the Environment for Northern Ireland will continue to monitor the operation and effectiveness of the fire safety requirements of the England and Wales regulations.
Rev. Martin Smyth : To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what recent assessment has been made of the sufficiency of the length of time of fire resistance required for a commercial building over 30 m in height in the proposed Northern Ireland Building Regulations (Fire) to offer adequate escape time in the case of fire arising from a terrorist incident.
Mr. Atkins : No specific studies have been undertaken of escape times required in the case of fires arising from terrorist incidents. However, experience of fires shows that there is little difference in growth rates between fires arising from such incidents and those arising from other causes, apart from the initial intensity. Northern Ireland Building Regulations presently require commercial premises over 28 m high to have two hours, fire resistance ; they do not require the premises to be sprinklered. The proposed new regulations would require buildings over 30 m high to have the same fire resistance for elements of structure as
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currently required, reducing to a minimum of 90 minutes for elements not forming part of the structural frame, and in addition, would require all such premises to be sprinklered.EMPLOYMENT
Acquired Rights
Mr. Hutton : To ask the Secretary of State for Employment if she will make a statement about Her Majesty's Government's implementation of the acquired rights directive.
Mr. Michael Forsyth : I refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 19 January Official Report column. 183, to the hon. Member for Denton and Reddish (Mr. Bennett). The Trade Union Reform and Employment Rights Bill will shortly receive its Third Reading in the House of Lords.
Youth Training
Mr. Tony Lloyd : To ask the Secretary of State for Employment if she will list the supply and demand of youth training places in each training and enterprise council area on a monthly basis for the last six months.
Mr. McLoughlin : Information on the availability of youth training places is not collected nationally. However, I am satisfied that there is sufficient YT provision available to meet demand. Information on the total demand for YT places is also not collected, but the number of young people who are registered with careers services in England, who are covered by the YT guarantee and have been waiting for a YT place for eight or more weeks in March and April is shown in the table. Information for the previous months is not reliable.
Young people waiting for 8 or more weeks for a place on YT: 1993 TEC |March<2>|April<3> --------------------------------------------------------- Avon |88 |117 AZTEC |156 |95 Barnsley and Doncaster |36 |35 Bedfordshire |115 |<1>164 Birmingham |110 |131 Bolton and Bury |41 |19 Bradford |15 |18 Calderdale and Kirklees |18 |15 CAMBSTEC |69 |54 Central England |14 |19 Central London |136 |<1>152 CEWTEC |18 |12 CILNTEC |143 |109 County Durham |62 |71 Coventry and Warwicks |79 |<1>86 Cumbria |33 |6 Devon and Cornwall |66 |<1>71 Dorset |23 |15 Dudley |2 |1 ELTEC |19 |29 Essex |373 |329 Gloucester |28 |11 Greater Nottingham |32 |35 Greater Peterborough |23 |17 Hampshire |207 |<1>304 HAWTEC |19 |<1>30 Heart of England |15 |24 Hertfordshire |107 |164 Humberside |47 |36 Isle of Wight |37 |28 Kent |338 |183 LAWTEC |40 |28 Leeds |37 |26 Leicestershire |27 |<1>31 LETEC |439 |380 Lincolnshire |19 |39 Manchester |106 |<1>93 Merseyside |42 |47 METROTEC |21 |6 Milton Keynes and North Bucks |32 |<1>42 Norfolk/Waveney |4 |31 NORMIDTEC |13 |9 North Derbyshire |42 |39 North London |66 |<1>79 North Nottinghamshire |91 |55 North West London |111 |107 North Yorkshire |79 |<1>59 Northamptonshire |62 |<1>39 Northumberland |47 |58 Oldham |36 |48 QUALITEC |20 |16 Rochdale |18 |15 Rotherham |4 |9 Sandwell |10 |20 South and East Cheshire |0 |0 Sheffield |156 |147 Shropshire |19 |24 SOLOTEC |206 |194 Somerset |97 |<1>114 South Derbyshire |25 |<1>29 South Thames |476 |451 Staffordshire |4 |6 Stockport and High Peak |16 |19 Suffolk |13 |13 Surrey |94 |<1>99 Sussex |66 |86 Teesside |45 |56 Thames Valley Enterprise |185 |<1>198 Tyneside |60 |<1>59 Wakefield |18 |18 Walsall |3 |12 Wearside |0 |0 West London |36 |48 Wiltshire |68 |<1>68 Wolverhampton |2 |6 <1> These figures are subject to final confirmation. <2> 11 March 1993. <3> 17 April 1993. Sources:Information from Careers Service Management return (Supplement).
Employment Statistics
Mr. David Porter : To ask the Secretary of State for Employment what are the latest figures for the numbers (a) employed and (b) self-employed ; and what the equivalent figures were 12 months previously.
Mr. McLoughlin : The information is as follows :
United Kingdom (Thousands) Year |<1>Employed |Self-employed -------------------------------------------------------- December 1991 |22,614 |3,066 December 1992 |21,992 |2,936 <1> Employees in employment, H.M. Forces and participants on work-related Government training programmes.
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Labour Statistics
Mr. Hain : To ask the Secretary of State for Employment what are the latest percentage and actual figures for (a) England and (b) the United Kingdom for (i) all adults and (ii) males aged 16 years or over recorded as economically inactive.
Mr. McLoughlin [holding answer 21 May 1993] : The latest estimates from the labour force survey--not seasonally adjusted--are given in the table :
Labour Force Survey
Thousands
|Adults |Men
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
England, Autumn 1992
Total aged 16 and over |37,821 |18,280
Economically inactive |13,841 |4,763
|------ |------
|36.6 per cent.|26.1 per cent.
United Kingdom, Spring 1992
Total aged 16 and over |45,205 |21,809
Economically inactive |16,801 |5,733
|------ |------
|37.2 per cent.|26.3 per cent.
WALES
Public Bodies
Mr. Morgan : To ask the Secretary of State for Wales what proposals he has to publish a regularly updated list of deletions and additions to the list of members of Welsh non-departmental public b. Member for Bridgend (Mr. Griffiths) on 23 March, Official Report, columns 549-50.
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