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Mr. Waldegrave : Let us not forget the other partner-- The Daily Telegraph , which contains an account of these matters today. I agree with my hon. Friend. It is vital that we make science and engineering more accessible to more people.

Citizens Charter --

36. Mr. John Marshall : To ask the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster what proposals he has to increase publicity for the citizens charter.

Mr. David Davis : Individual organisations in the public sector take the lead in making information widely available about their citizens charter commitments to improve the quality of service that they provide. We are continuing to drive the charter programme forward by the charter mark award scheme, the Charter News magazine, forums and seminars across the country and White Papers reporting on progress and commitments for the future.

Mr. Marshall : Is my hon. Friend happy at the publicity given by London Transport to the commuters charter ?

Mr. Flynn : Answer.

Mr. Davis : I am tempted simply to answer yes and sit down, but I shall not. London Underground in particular, which is in the news today, publicises its standards in its charter, available at underground stations. Just about half its targets are now measured by customer satisfaction ratings. It publishes performance statistics against those standards on a four-weekly basis and they are available at all underground stations.

Mr. Tony Banks : How many calls have now been made to the charter lines, what is the total cost and what is the cost per call ?

Mr. Davis : The total number of calls is about 5,500. I cannot, off the top of my head, say what is the cost per call. If the hon. Gentleman, before coming to the House, had ever done anything except make a mess of the GLC, he might have learnt something about how things are designed. In industry, anyone designing a new product starts with a prototype. The prototype may cost £1 million or £10 million, but the figure does not matter in so far as the product represents good value for money and results in better delivery of service.

Madam Speaker : Mr. George Foulkes. [ Hon. Members :-- "Where is he ?"] Mr. Barry Jones. [ Hon. Members :-- "Where is he ?"] Mr. Gordon Prentice. [ Hon. Members :-- "Where is he ?"] It is 3.30, so time's up.

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