Mr. Vaz : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to his answer of 5 May, Official Report, column 614, what was the cost of calls made on (a) car and (b) portable telephones in 1993-94 ; how much this equipment cost to buy or hire ; and what were the maintenance costs.
The total cost of the equipment was approximately £6,700. There are no maintenance charges for the year 1993-94.
Mr. Gordon Prentice : To ask the Prime Minister if he will enter discussions with the Prince of Wales with a view to seeking agreement to increase the voluntary contribution to the Exchequer from the Duchy of Cornwall from 25 per cent. of income to 40 per cent.
Column 2the Exchequer in April 1993. Instead he voluntarily agreed to pay income tax on his personal income in the same way as other taxpayers.
Mr. Alfred Morris : To ask the Prime Minister when he expects to be able to reply to the letter sent to him in April by the right hon. Member for Manchester, Wythenshawe, about help for war-disabled ex-service men and women and war widows to mark the 50th anniversary of D-day.
Mr. Winnick : To ask the Prime Minister if it is intended, as part of the 50th anniversary events next year to commemorate the end of the last war, to include an exhibition on the crimes committed by Italian fascists.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parliamentary Private Secretaries May, 1994 Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Minister for Agriculture (Mrs. G. Shephard) |Mr. S. Burns Minister of State (Mr. M. Jack) |Miss E. Nicholson Defence Secretary of State (Mr. M. Rifkind) |Mr. H. Bellingham Minister of State (Mr. J. Aitken) |Mr. R. Evans Minister of State (Mr. J. Hanley) |Mr. P. Atkinson Duchy of Lancaster Chancellor of the Duchy (Mr. W. Waldegrave) |Mr. I. Taylor Education Secretary of State (Mr. J. Patten) |Mr. M. Carrington Minister of State (Lady Blatch) |Mr. J. Clappison Employment Secretary of State (Mr. D. Hunt) |Mr. N. Evans Minister of State (Mr. M. Forsyth) |Mrs. A. Browning Environment Secretary of State (Mr. J. Gummer) |Mr. J. Paice Minister of State (Sir G. Young) |Dr. C. Goodson-Wickes Minister of State (Mr. D. Curry) |Mr. D. French Minister of State (Mr. R. Atkins) |Mr. J. Hayes Foreign Office Secretary of State (Mr. D. Hurd) |Mr. D. Martin Minister of State (Mr. A. Goodlad) |Mr. G. Kynoch Minister of State (Mr. D. Heathcoat-Amory) |Mr. R. Richards Minister for Overseas Development (Lady Chalker) |Mr. M. Robinson PUSS (Mr. M. Lennox-Boyd) |Mr. M. Robinson Health Secretary of State (Mrs. V. Bottomley) |Mr. K. Mans Minister of State (Dr. B. Mawhinney) |Mr. M. Trend Home Office Secretary of State (Mr. M. Howard) |Dr. L. Fox Minister of State (Mr. P. Lloyd) |Mr. O. Heald Minister of State (Mr. D. MacLean) |Mr. J. Arnold Law Officers Department Attorney-General (Sir N. Lyell) |Mr. T. Devlin Solicitor-General (Sir D. Spencer) |Mr. G. Streeter National Heritage Secretary of State (Mr. P. Brooke) |Mr. A. Steen Northern Ireland Office Secretary of State (Sir. P. Mayhew) |Mr. M. Moss Minister of State (Sir J. Wheeler) |Mr. M. Bates Minister of State (Mr. M. Ancram) |Mr. R. Robertson Prime Minister |Mr. G. Bright Privy Council Office (Mr. T. Newton) |Mr. J. Marshall Scottish Office Secretary of State (Mr. I. Lang) |Mr. S. Coombs Social Security Secretary of State (Mr. P. Lilley) |Mr. P. Merchant Minister of State (Mr. N. Scott) |Mrs. J. Lait PUSS (Mr. A. Burt/Lord Astor/Mr. W. Hague) |Mr. I Bruce Trade and Industry President of the Board (Mr. M. Heseltine) |Mr. R. Ottaway Minister of State (Mr. T. Eggar) |Mr. P. Luff Minister of State (Mr. T. Sainsbury) |Mrs. A. Knight Minister of State (Mr. R. Needham) |Mr. A. Rowe Transport Secretary of State (Mr. J. MacGregor) |Mr. G. Riddick Treasury Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. K. Clarke) |Mr. P. Oppenheim Chief Secretary (Mr. M. Portillo) |Mr. D. Amess Financial Secretary (Mr. S. Dorrell) |Mr. G. Brandreth Paymaster General (Sir J. Cope) |Dr. I Twinn Welsh Office Secretary of State (Mr. J. Redwood) |Mr. D. Evennett Minister of State (Sir W. Roberts) |Mr. D. Tredinnick
Mr. Peter Atkinson : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department if he will list the agencies which supply free assistance and legal advice to those people who wish to pursue claims through the small claims court.
Mr. John M. Taylor : This information is not kept centrally. The National Association of Citizens Advice Bureaux issues a list of all individual bureaux in England and Wales but this is being reprinted and will not be available until mid-June. In addition, advice and assistance is provided by law centres and other advice agencies in England and Wales, which are free to decide which kinds of problems to cover.
Mr. Pawsey : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department what qualifications lay representatives will be required to possess before they can represent plaintiffs in the small claims court as set out in the consultation paper "Small Personal Injury Claims" ; and from which professions they will be drawn.
Mr. John M. Taylor : The Lay Representatives (Rights of Audience) Order 1992 allows litigants a free choice of representative to help them pursue or defend their case in court. It is a matter for the litigants themselves whom they choose. Lay representatives are required to act in an honest, reasonable and responsible manner ; if they fail to do so the court may withdraw their right of audience.
Mr. Peter Atkinson : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department what experience or professional qualifications are required of those people who work in agencies providing free legal advice on personal injury cases.
Mr. John M. Taylor : Individual agencies are best placed to decide the level of skills and training required. At present, only solicitors are able to obtain payment from the legal aid fund for advice given. However, the Legal Aid Board is currently working with the advice sector to define quality assurance standards for advice and assistance in areas of social welfare law. This would enable non-solicitors in agencies meeting these standards to deliver advice and assistance through the legal aid scheme. At present there are no plans to extend this to personal injury cases.
Mr. Pawsey : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department if he will list the average sum of money awarded in those personal injury cases heard in county courts in each year since 1990.
Mr. John M. Taylor : Based on sample surveys, the estimated average value of monetary awards for personal injury cases disposed of by trial at county courts in each year from 1990 to 1993 inclusive is £3,100, £3,700, £4,500 and £7,300 respectively. Corresponding figures relating to cases disposed of by arbitration are not available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.
Mr. Peter Atkinson : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department (1) how many malpractice claims have been brought against general practitioners for failing to diagnose correctly the severity of personal injury for each year since 1990 ; (2) how many general practitioners have been disciplined as a result of a malpractice claim brought against them for failing to diagnose the severity of a personal injury for each year since 1990.
Mr. John M. Taylor : Based on sample surveys, the estimated average number of cases disposed of by trial at county courts per district judge in each year from 1990 to 1993 inclusive is 18, 24, 28 and 24 respectively. Only a small part of a district judge's time is spent on trial work but corresponding figures relating to cases disposed of by arbitration and the information requested on average hours worked are not available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.
Mr. Austin-Walker : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department on what date Belmarsh magistrates court opened ; on how many occasions there has been a sitting on each weekday since the opening ; and if he will make a statement.
Mr. John M. Taylor : The Belmarsh court complex was officially opened on 21 January 1994. The magistrates court sat for the first time on 14 March 1994. Information about the numbers of sittings is not yet available centrally.
Mr. Richards : To ask the Parliamentary Secretary, Lord Chancellor's Department if he will make a statement about equal opportunities for women and people of ethnic minority origin in relation to appointments to the professional judiciary in England and Wales.
Mr. John M. Taylor : In July last year, the Lord Chancellor announced a programme aimed at developing further the current procedures for judicial appointments, including measures to encourage applications by women and ethnic minority practitioners. In carrying out his responsibilities for the appointment of judges, the Lord Chancellor has always supported the principle of equality of opportunity and will continue to do so ; the Lord Chancellor does not discriminate on grounds of gender or ethnic origin.
The Lord Chancellor sets high standards for appointments to judicial office ; those appointed are selected on merit from suitably qualified candidates. The Lord Chancellor seeks to ensure that every possible step is taken to treat fairly those who apply for judicial office and that decisions are based on an assessment of suitability which is as objective as possible.
The Lord Chancellor welcomes and encourages applications from all suitably qualified legal practitioners, including women and practitioners of ethnic minority origin.
The Lord Chancellor is carrying forward his commitment to equality of opportunity in judicial appointments in the following ways : 1. Continuing to encourage women and ethnic minority practitioners to apply for judicial appointment by :--
(i) promoting awareness of opportunities for judicial appointments for women and people of ethnic minority origin among senior members of the judiciary and the profession and inviting them to encourage suitably qualified women and people of ethnic minority origin to apply ; and
(ii) publicising the opportunities for all to apply for judicial appointments in speeches, at meetings and by other suitable means ; 2. Applying age limits for judicial appointments flexibly in the case of practitioners who take a career break or who start their professional career late ;
3. Conducting reviews of all ethnic minority and female applicants for judicial appointment from time to time to ensure that suitable candidates from these groups are properly considered ;
4. Ensuring that women and ethnic minority candidates are included, wherever possible, among those under consideration for particular posts ;
5. Providing opportunities for familiarisation with the work involved in a judicial post for prospective applicants where appropriate ;
6. Taking due account of the domestic circumstances of individuals concerned wherever possible when making appointments to particular geographical locations ;
7. Recording the number of female and ethnic minority members of the full- time and part-time judiciary and taking steps to improve the information about the ethnic origin of serving office holders and applicants for judicial appointment ;
8. Arranging for an official in the judicial appointment group in my Department to :--
(i) act as a liaison point with others about equal opportunities matters in relation to judicial appointments ; and
(ii) advise on policies in this field ;
9. Undertaking to keep this programme under review in the light of general developments in the field of equal opportunities and in accordance with any changes in the procedures for judicial appointments.
Mr. Roger Evans : To ask the right hon. Member for Selby, representing the Church Commissioners, if he will list the names of the individuals and the amounts of award made to them under section 5 of the Ordination of Women (Financial Provisions) Measure 1994.
Mr. Alison : I have consulted the Pensions Board, which is concerned in the administration of this matter and shares the commissioners' view that it is not appropriate to publish details of support offered to particular individuals. Eight awards of varying amounts have been made to date under this section, depending on individual circumstances.
Mr. Roger Evans : To ask the right hon. Member for Selby, representing the Church Commissioners, if he will list the names of individuals and the amounts of award made to them under section 1 of the Ordination of Women (Financial Provisions) Measure 1994.
Mr. Frank Field : To ask the right hon. Member for Selby, representing the Church Commissioners, who is drawing pensions after holding the offices of the First and Third Estates Commissioner, and of what amounts ; on what basis the rate of pensions is calculated ; and how many contributory years are required for a full plan.
Mr. Alison : The basis of calculation of the pensions payable to retired Church Estates Commissioners is set out in section 20 of the Church Property (Miscellaneous Provisions) Measure, 1960, which contains the following provisions :
(1) The Commissioners shall have power to grant to any First Church Estates Commissioner or Third Church Estates Commissioner who retires from from service as such a Commissioner--
(a) if he has performed not less than fifteen years pensionable service, a pension of such amount as the Commissioners may determine not exceeding two -thirds of the salary to which he was entitled under section 9 of the Ecclesisatical Commissioner (Powers) Measure 1938 immediately before retirement ;
(b) if he has performed less than fifteen years but not less than five years pensionable service, a pension of such amount as the Commissioners may determine, being an amount not exceeding the aggregate of one thrid of the salary to which he was so entitled and one thirtieth of that salary of each completed year of pensionable service in excess of five ;
(c) if he has performed less than five years pensionable service but retires by reason of permanent disability for the performance of the duties of his office, a pension of such amount as the Commissioners may determine not exceeding one-third of the salary to which he was so entitled ;
and a pension under this subjection shall be payable for the remainder of the life to whom it is granted.
In determining the amount of the pension, if any, to be granted to a person under this subsection the Commissioners shall have regard to any superannuation benefits to which he may be entitled in respect of any other service performed by him before his pensionable service began.
No lump sum is payable on retirement other than by commutation, nor is there provision for a widow's or widower's pension, other than by allocation of pension.
Column 8Four pensions are currently in payment at a total cost in 1993 of £84,000. It is not the commissioners' practice to publish details of payments made to particular individuals.
Mr. Nelson : As a result of an initiative launched by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister in 1990, the Paris Club of international creditor Governments now offers concessional rescheduling of the official bilateral debts of the poorest and most indebted countries. Such concessional reschedulings are known as Trinidad terms. Under present arrangements, 50 per cent. of the eligible debts falling due over the course of an IMF economic adjustment programme are written off. In addition, the creditors undertake to consider writing off 50 per cent. of the whole stock of debt if the debtor maintains a good record with both its debt service and IMF programme. To date, 22 countries have benefited from Trinidad terms. Over the lifetime of these agreements more than $7 billion-worth of debt will be restructured and some $2 billion-worth of debt forgiven. While these agreements represent a substantial achievement, the United Kingdom considers that more could be done to help the poorest and most indebted countries. We are thus pressing our fellow Paris Club creditors to improve the existing Trinidad terms. In particular, we hope that they will agree to give debt reduction along the lines of the Prime Minister's original proposal. This would mean : an immediate stock of debt reduction for countries which have edstablished a track record of reform under an IMF adjustment programme ; and increasing the level of debt and debt service relief, from 50 per cent. to some two-thirds on average and up to 80 per cent. for the most deserving countries on a case-by-case basis ; Last July, the Tokyo summit of G7 Heads of Government backed the United Kingdom's proposals for earlier stock of debt reductions. Despite this, negotiations within the Paris Club are proceeding slowly.
We discussed the economic situation in the European Union on the basis of the Commission's latest forecasts and in the context of preparing to revise the broad economic guidelines. Overall, the Commission's forecasts were more optimistic than its previous ones, although it emphasised the need for action on budget deficits. I welcomed the Commission's acknowledgement of the improvement in United Kingdom unemployment and the measures to consolidate the United Kingdom's public finances. But I felt that the Commission was too
Column 9pessimistic on the United Kingdom growth and inflation outlook. I stated that the United Kingdom was well on the way to sustained growth and low inflation. There was a presentation of the Commission's annual report on fraud and of its anti-fraud strategy, which will be discussed in greater detail at a later Council. The Council discussed the follow-up to the conclusions of the Brussels European Council on the Commission's White Paper, "Growth, Competitiveness and Employment". President Delors gave a presentation of the Commission's latest progress report. I supported a German proposal to establish a deregulation "commission" of experts to increase the pace of deregulation and the removal of unnecessary burdents on businesses. I also spoke about the need for the June ECOFIN to send clear conclusions to the Corfu European Council, and said that there was no need for new Community instruments to finance trans-European networks.
There was also discussion of financial assistance to countries in central and eastern Europe. Political agreement was reached on loans to Moldova and Romania for balance of payments support, and the Council confirmed a loan to Bulgaria. The Council deferred discussion of a grant to Albania and an additional loan to Bulgaria. There were no formal votes on issues discussed at the Council.
Dr. Strang : To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what measures the Government have put in place to ensure that agricultural land giving qualification to inheritance tax relief at 100 per cent. is not being purchased as a means of avoiding inheritance tax relief at 40 per cent.
Mr. Nelson [holding answer 19 May 1994] : Qualifying farm land has normally to be owned and farmed by the owner for at least two years before a transfer in order to obtain 100 per cent. relief. This requirement targets the relief at working farms and ensures that speculative investors in land dealing companies do not benefit.
Mrs. Roche : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department, pursuant to his answer of 17 May, Official Report, column 383, if he will publish in the Official Report the information which his Department is collating about the extent of the use of private security firms when it is available.
Mr. Allen : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what provisions of national law are applied as regards the authorisation of family members of Turkish workers to join the worker for the purposes of article 7 of association Council Decision 1/80 concluded in accordance with the Turkey EC association agreement of 1963.
Mr. Allen : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what arrangements have been implemented to give effect to article 10(2) of regulation 1612/68 EC to facilitate the admission of family members not coming within article 10(1) of the regulation but who are dependent on, or lived under the same roof in the country from whence they come, as migrant workers citizens of the Union and to favour the admission of such family members under article 1(2) of directive 73/148 EC.
Mr. Charles Wardle : Regulation 1612/68 has direct effect in United Kingdom law and does not need to be implemented separately. Article 1(2) of Directive 73/148, does not require specific implementation as it is not concerned with a Community entitlement. However, in accordance with the provisions of article 1(2) favourable consideration is given to allowing the admission of those family members who have no other entitlement to join a European economic area national resident in the United Kingdom on whom they are dependent.
Mr. Allen : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the distinction between social assistance and social security as those terms are used in the Immigration (European Economic Area) Order 1994.
Mr. Charles Wardle : "Social assistance" is the term used in article 1 of directives 90/364/EEC--the general right of residence--and 93/96/EEC-- the right of residence for students--whereas directive 90/365/EEC--the right of residence for employees and self-employed persons who have ceased their occupational activity--uses the term "social security" in article 1.
"Social security" means statutory schemes, whether contributory or non- contributory, which are designed to meet the specific contingencies listed in article 4(1) of regulation (EEC) No. 1408/71 on social security or migrant workers. The term "social assistance" is not defined in EC law but is generally interpreted as covering non-contributory schemes which are often means-tested and/or based on need.
Mr. Vaz : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department, pursuant to his answer of 9 May, Official Report , columns 9-10 , what was the cost of calls made on mobile telephones in 1993-94 ; how much this equipment cost to buy or hire ; and what were the maintenance costs.
Mr. Howard : Mobile telephone call charges in my Department, including executive agencies, are estimated to be about £90,000. All or nearly all mobile telephones are bought, at costs which vary from year to year and cannot be quantified except at disproportionate cost. Maintenance costs are small, as it is not deemed necessary to let maintenance contracts.
Mr. Hain : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish in the Official Report the letter on Direct Mail from the hon. Member for Neath on 10 November and the Minister of State's reply of 13 December.
Mr. Bates : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will list for each police authority (a) the standard spending assessment and (b) the actual spending broken down into (i) local authority actual spend and (ii)
Column 12Home Office grant ; (c) the authorised establishment levels and (d) the actual establishment levels for the last year for which figures are available.
Table A (£ million) County and combined |1992-93 Police |1992-93 Total |1992-93 Police police authorities (England) |SSA<1> |local authority |current grant |expenditure ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Avon and Somerset |63.999 |124.322 |63.404 Bedfordshire |25.127 |44.210 |22.547 Cambridgeshire |26.516 |50.027 |25.514 Cheshire |39.805 |72.966 |37.213 Cleveland |31.139 |59.802 |30.499 Cumbria |24.609 |49.501 |25.245 Derbyshire |38.354 |75.791 |38.653 Devon and Cornwall |60.702 |128.271 |65.418 Dorset |26.993 |55.644 |28.378 Durham |28.796 |53.226 |27.146 Essex |64.662 |125.833 |64.175 Gloucestershire |24.546 |48.067 |24.514 Hampshire |71.551 |135.434 |69.071 Hertfordshire |38.803 |68.523 |34.947 Humberside |42.168 |84.119 |42.901 Kent |68.381 |137.696 |70.225 Lancashire |66.943 |128.669 |65.621 Leicestershire |38.416 |72.784 |37.120 Lincolnshire |25.002 |51.065 |26.043 Norfolk |29.978 |59.084 |30.133 Northamptonshire |24.671 |50.617 |25.815 North Yorkshire |29.398 |58.444 |29.806 Nottinghamshire |48.595 |89.489 |45.639 Staffordshire |45.921 |87.742 |44.748 Suffolk |25.562 |50.731 |25.873 Surrey |39.239 |70.879 |36.148 Sussex |60.754 |115.114 |58.708 Thames Valley |85.179 |160.512 |81.861 Warwickshire |21.520 |42.489 |21.669 West Mercia |42.562 |82.670 |42.162 Wiltshire |26.495 |51.400 |26.214 Metropolitan county police authorities Greater Manchester |144.294 |272.190 |138.817 Merseyside |97.596 |189.280 |96.533 Northumbria |74.897 |136.534 |69.632 South Yorkshire |62.880 |117.544 |59.948 West Midlands |143.595 |284.274 |144.980 West Yorkshire |110.489 |208.724 |106.449 City of London |23.187 |44.246 |22.565 Metropolitan police |750.134 |1,453.982 |756.070 Welsh police authorities<2> Dyfed Powys |- |38.896 |19.837 Gwent |- |38.965 |19.872 North Wales |- |56.047 |28.584 South Wales |- |127.301 |64.923 Note: <1> For the English county and combined police authorities the police SSAs shown are the police component of the county council's SSAs. <2> Welsh county councils SSAs do not identify separate components for individual services such as police.
|Approved |Actual |establishment|strength --------------------------------------------------------------------- As at 31 March 1993 County and Combined Forces Avon and Somerset |3,087 |3,068 Bedfordshire |1,178 |1,168 Cambridgeshire |1,241 |1,265 Cheshire |1,920 |1,908 Cleveland |1,502 |1,478 Cumbria |1,187 |1,196 Derbyshire |1,850 |1,830 Devon and Cornwall |2,928 |2,910 Dorset |1,302 |1,302 Durham |1,389 |1,381 Essex |2,950 |2,936 Gloucestershire |1,184 |1,149 Hampshire |3,269 |3,275 Hertfordshire |1,684 |1,700 Humberside |2,034 |2,032 Kent |3,136 |3,146 Lancashire |3,229 |3,207 Leicestershire |1,853 |1,805 Lincolnshire |1,206 |1,200 Norfolk |1,446 |1,440 Northamptonshire |1,190 |1,199 North Yorkshire |1,418 |1,393 Nottinghamshire |2,344 |2,327 Staffordshire |2,215 |2,179 Suffolk |1,233 |1,241 Surrey |1,673 |1,693 Sussex |3,014 |3,008 Thames Valley |3,812 |3,840 Warwickshire |1,020 |1,020 West Mercia |2,053 |2,054 Wiltshire |1,181 |1,265 Metropolitan County Forces Greater Manchester |7,077 |7,060 Merseyside |4,706 |4,669 Northumbria |3,613 |3,563 South Yorkshire |3,031 |3,032 West Midlands |6,977 |6,953 West Yorkshire |5,295 |5,037 City of London |798 |825 Metropolitan |28,118 |27,867 Welsh Forces Dyfed-Powys |969 |967 Gwent |1,010 |1,004 North Wales |1,369 |1,360 South Wales |3,168 |3,176 |------- |------- Total |126,859 |126,128
Mr. Austin-Walker : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department on how many occasions prisoners or charged persons have been transported between Belmarsh courts and Belmarsh prison by vehicles since the connecting security tunnel was opened ; and if he will make a statement.
Letter from Derek Lewis to Mr. John Austin-Walker, dated 23 May 1994 :
The Home Secretary has asked me to reply to your recent Question about the number of occasions prisoners or charged persons have been transported between Belmarsh Courts and Belmarsh Prison by vehicles since the connecting security tunnel was opened.
Woolwich Crown Court is housed in the building adjacent to Belmarsh prison and the two are connected by the secure tunnel. Motor transport was used on twenty-two occasions to transport prisoners between the two buildings. Twenty of these journeys were as a result of the closure of Greenwich Magistrates Court for renovation. While hearings before magistrates were being held in available court space at Woolwich Crown Court it was decided to continue with the established routine for court escorts. A change in practice would have necessitated the movement of remand prisoners through the tunnel at the same time as category A and trial prisoners. The combination of these movements would have been difficult to control, and presented potential risks.
The other two journeys were police escorts and not under the control of the Prison Service.
Column 14The tunnel is now used for all escorts whenever Woolwich Crown Court is sitting.
Mr. David Porter : To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what estimate he has put on the cost of (a) building and (b) running annually the first five secure training units for persistent juvenile offenders ; and if he will make a statement.
Mr. Maclean : The annual cost of secure training centres is estimated to be in excess of £30 million a year. This estimate includes running, building and financing costs, because contractors will be providing the capital to build the centres. The cost of post-release supervision is also included, as are Home Office administrative costs. The actual costs will depend on the results of the competitive tendering exercise.