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Mr. Harris: My right hon. and learned Friend has not dealt with the position of individual gun clubs, particularly non-profit-making clubs. Many of them will be driven out. What can we do to help them?
Mr. Howard: For the reasons that I have sought to explain, I fear that I cannot offer my hon. Friend comfort on that. Many such clubs may be able to put in place the arrangements necessary to continue to operate, although I accept that many of them will not. However, for the reasons that I have sought to explain, it would be a complete departure from precedent to compensate such clubs.
Taken overall, I believe that this is a fair package. On that basis, I commend it to the House.
Sir Jerry Wiggin:
My right hon. and learned Friend's statements on valuations are welcome. The British Shooting Sports Council will certainly co-operate to make a workable scheme.
I hope that my right hon. and learned Friend takes comfort from the fact that, in a two-and-a-half-hour debate, his principal support has come from the Opposition Front Bench and from the hon. Member for Glasgow, Springburn (Mr. Martin). I also detected from a short intervention that the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond) is unlikely to support the new clause. Every other Member who contributed to the debate opposed the Government and supported the new clause. A high moral tone was adopted in an excellent debate.
I shall not detain the House. My right hon. and learned Friend has just said that it is the duty of the Government to obtain safety for the public. It is the duty of the House to protect the individual from theft by the state under the guise of law.
Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:--
The House divided: Ayes 113, Noes 299.
Tellers for the Ayes:
Tellers for the Noes:
Question accordingly negatived.
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Miss Widdecombe:
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
AYES
Allason, Rupert (Torbay)
Alton, David
Ashdown, Paddy
Austin-Walker, John
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)
Barnes, Harry
Batiste, Spencer
Beggs, Roy
Beith, A J
Benn, Tony
Bennett, Andrew F
Bermingham, Gerald
Biffen, John
Bowden, Sir Andrew
Boyson, Sir Rhodes
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset)
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)
Butterfill, John
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)
Carlile, Alex (Montgomery)
Chidgey, David
Churchill, Mr
Colvin, Michael
Cook, Frank (Stockton N)
Cormack, Sir Patrick
Davies, Chris (Littleborough)
Dover, Den
Duncan Smith, Iain
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'ld)
Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Fishburn, Dudley
Foster, Don (Bath)
Fry, Sir Peter
Gorst, Sir John
Grant, Sir Anthony (SW Cambs)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Hamilton, Sir Archibald
Harris, David
Harvey, Nick
Haselhurst, Sir Alan
Hawksley, Warren
Hicks, Sir Robert
Higgins, Sir Terence
Hoey, Miss Kate
Howell, David (Guildf'd)
Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk)
Hunter, Andrew
Illsley, Eric
Jackson, Robert (Wantage)
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Jones, Ieuan Wyn (Ynys Mon)
Jones, Dr L (B'ham Selly Oak)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd SW)
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham)
Jopling, Michael
Kennedy, Charles (Ross C & S)
Key, Robert
King, Tom
Kirkwood, Archy
Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Leigh, Edward
Lester, Sir Jim (Broxtowe)
Lewis, Terry
Lloyd, Sir Peter (Fareham)
Lord, Michael
Lynne, Ms Liz
Maclennan, Robert
Maddock, Mrs Diana
Marland, Paul
Marlow, Tony
Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll Bute)
Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby)
Moate, Sir Roger
Monro, Sir Hector
Morris, John (Aberavon)
Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Nicholson, Miss Emma (W Devon)
O'Hara, Edward
Onslow, Sir Cranley
Pearson, Ian
Pickthall, Colin
Rathbone, Tim
Rendel, David
Richards, Rod
Riddick, Graham
Ross, William (E Lond'y)
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Shepherd, Sir Colin (Heref'd)
Skeet, Sir Trevor
Skinner, Dennis
Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Steel, Sir David
Steinberg, Gerry
Sweeney, Walter
Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Taylor, Sir Teddy
Thurnham, Peter
Tyler, Paul
Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Viggers, Peter
Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Wallace, James
Waller, Gary
Walley, Ms Joan
Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Welsh, Andrew
Whittingdale, John
Wiggin, Sir Jerry
Wigley, Dafydd
Wilshire, David
Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesf'ld)
Young, David (Bolton SE)
Mr. Christopher Gill and
Mr. John Carlisle.
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey)
Aitken, Jonathan
Alison, Michael (Selby)
Allen, Graham
Amess, David
Arbuthnot, James
Armstrong, Ms Hilary
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)
Ashby, David
Atkins, Robert
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham)
Baker, Kenneth (Mole V)
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset)
Baldry, Tony
Banks, Matthew (Southport)
Bates, Michael
Bell, Stuart
Bendall, Vivian
Beresford, Sir Paul
Boateng, Paul
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas
Booth, Hartley
Boswell, Tim
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham)
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia
Bowis, John
Bradley, Keith
Brandreth, Gyles
Bray, Dr Jeremy
Brazier, Julian
Bright, Sir Graham
Brown, Michael (Brigg Cl'thorpes)
Browning, Mrs Angela
Burden, Richard
Burns, Simon
Burt, Alistair
Butler, Peter
Byers, Stephen
Caborn, Richard
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge)
Campbell-Savours, D N
Canavan, Dennis
Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Linc'n)
Carrington, Matthew
Carttiss, Michael
Channon, Paul
Chapman, Sir Sydney
Chisholm, Malcolm
Clappison, James
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochf'd)
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)
Clwyd, Mrs Ann
Coe, Sebastian
Cohen, Harry
Congdon, David
Connarty, Michael
Conway, Derek
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F)
Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Corbyn, Jeremy
Corston, Ms Jean
Couchman, James
Cran, James
Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try SE)
Currie, Mrs Edwina
Curry, David
Dalyell, Tam
Davies, Bryan (Oldham C)
Davies, Quentin (Stamf'd)
Davis, David (Boothferry)
Day, Stephen
Deva, Nirj Joseph
Dewar, Donald
Donohoe, Brian H
Dorrell, Stephen
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Dowd, Jim
Duncan, Alan
Dykes, Hugh
Eagle, Ms Angela
Eggar, Tim
Elletson, Harold
Evans, John (St Helens N)
Evans, Jonathan (Brecon)
Evans, Nigel (Ribble V)
Evans, Roger (Monmouth)
Evennett, David
Faber, David
Fabricant, Michael
Faulds, Andrew
Fenner, Dame Peggy
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)
Flynn, Paul
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Forth, Eric
Foulkes, George
Fowler, Sir Norman
Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring)
Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley)
Freeman, Roger
French, Douglas
Fyfe, Mrs Maria
Galbraith, Sam
Gale, Roger
Gallie, Phil
Garnier, Edward
Garrett, John
Gerrard, Neil
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl
Golding, Mrs Llin
Goodlad, Alastair
Gordon, Ms Mildred
Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Graham, Thomas
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Grocott, Bruce
Gummer, John
Gunnell, John
Hague, William
Hall, Mike
Hampson, Dr Keith
Hanley, Jeremy
Hannam, Sir John
Hanson, David
Hargreaves, Andrew
Hawkins, Nick
Hayes, Jerry
Heald, Oliver
Heath, Sir Edward
Henderson, Doug
Hendry, Charles
Heseltine, Michael
Hill, Sir James (Southampton Test)
Hogg, Douglas (Grantham)
Hoon, Geoffrey
Horam, John
Hordern, Sir Peter
Howard, Michael
Howarth, George (Knowsley N)
Hughes, Robert (Ab'd'n N)
Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W)
Hughes, Roy (Newport E)
Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensb'ne)
Hurd, Douglas
Hutton, John
Jack, Michael
Jackson, Mrs Helen (Hillsborough)
Jenkin, Bernard (Colchester N)
Jenkins, Brian D (SE Staffs)
Jessel, Toby
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Jones, Robert B (W Herts)
Kennedy, Mrs Jane (Broadgreen)
Khabra, Piara S
Kirkhope, Timothy
Knapman, Roger
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash)
Knight, Greg (Derby N)
Kynoch, George
Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Lamont, Norman
Lang, Ian
Lawrence, Sir Ivan
Legg, Barry
Liddell, Mrs Helen
Lidington, David
Lilley, Peter
Loyden, Eddie
Luff, Peter
Lyell, Sir Nicholas
McAvoy, Thomas
Macdonald, Calum
McFall, John
MacKay, Andrew
Maclean, David
McMaster, Gordon
McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
McNamara, Kevin
Madel, Sir David
Maitland, Lady Olga
Malone, Gerald
Mandelson, Peter
Marek, Dr John
Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Martin, Michael J (Springburn)
Martlew, Eric
Mates, Michael
Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Mayhew, Sir Patrick
Merchant, Piers
Michael, Alun
Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley)
Milburn, Alan
Mills, Iain
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Mitchell, Sir David (NW Hants)
Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Morley, Elliot
Morris, Alfred (Wy'nshawe)
Moss, Malcolm
Mowlam, Ms Marjorie
Mullin, Chris
Needham, Richard
Nelson, Anthony
Neubert, Sir Michael
Newton, Tony
Norris, Steve
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks)
Olner, Bill
Oppenheim, Phillip
Page, Richard
Paice, James
Patnick, Sir Irvine
Patten, John
Pawsey, James
Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Pickles, Eric
Pope, Greg
Porter, David
Portillo, Michael
Powell, Sir Raymond (Ogmore)
Prentice, Mrs B (Lewisham E)
Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Primarolo, Ms Dawn
Purchase, Ken
Redwood, John
Reid, Dr John
Renton, Tim
Rifkind, Malcolm
Robathan, Andrew
Roberts, Sir Wyn
Robertson, George (Hamilton)
Robertson, Raymond S (Ab'd'n S)
Robinson, Mark (Somerton)
Roche, Mrs Barbara
Roe, Mrs Marion
Rooker, Jeff
Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Rowe, Andrew
Sackville, Tom
Sedgemore, Brian
Shaw, David (Dover)
Shephard, Mrs Gillian
Simpson, Alan
Sims, Sir Roger
Soames, Nicholas
Spearing, Nigel
Spencer, Sir Derek
Spicer, Sir Jim (W Dorset)
Spicer, Sir Michael (S Worcs)
Spink, Dr Robert
Spring, Richard
Sproat, Iain
Squire, Ms R (Dunfermline W)
Squire, Robin (Hornchurch)
Stanley, Sir John
Steen, Anthony
Stephen, Michael
Stewart, Allan
Straw, Jack
Streeter, Gary
Sykes, John
Tapsell, Sir Peter
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Temple-Morris, Peter
Thomason, Roy
Thompson, Sir Donald (Calder V)
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Thornton, Sir Malcolm
Timms, Stephen
Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th)
Tredinnick, David
Trend, Michael
Trotter, Neville
Turner, Dennis
Waldegrave, William
Walden, George
Ward, John
Waterson, Nigel
Watts, John
Wells, Bowen
Wheeler, Sir John
Widdecombe, Miss Ann
Wilkinson, John
Willetts, David
Wise, Mrs Audrey
Wood, Timothy
Worthington, Tony
Wray, Jimmy
Yeo, Tim
Young, Sir George
Mr. Patrick McLoughlin and
Mr. Richard Ottaway.
'. After section 15 of the 1988 Act there shall be inserted the following section--
"Coterminous pistol club licences and rifle club approvals
15A.--(1) Where an application is made on behalf of a club which is an approved rifle club for the grant or renewal of a pistol club licence, the officer of the club making the application may also apply for the club's approval to be withdrawn and replaced by a new approval taking effect on the same day as that on which the licence is granted or renewed.
(2) Where an application is made on behalf of a club which has a pistol club licence for the grant or renewal of approval as a rifle club, that approval may, if the club so requests, be granted or renewed for such period less than six years as will secure that it expires at the same time as the licence.
(3) The fee payable on the grant or renewal of an approval which--
(a) takes effect, whether by virtue of subsection (1) above or otherwise, at the same time as a pistol club licence granted or renewed in respect of that club, or
(b) is granted or renewed by virtue of subsection (2) above for a period less than six years,
shall be £21 instead of that specified in section 15(6) above.
This subsection shall be included in the provisions that may be amended by an order under section 43 of the principal Act.
(4) In this section "pistol club licence" means a licence under section 15 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1996." '.--[Miss Widdecombe.]
Brought up, and read the First time.
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