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Angela Smith (Basildon) (seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. May I ask the Serjeant at Arms, through you, why it is taking so long to clear the Aye Lobby? Can the Serjeant at Arms be sent into the Lobby to see why the delay has occurred?

Mr. Deputy Speaker: I shall keep an eye on the situation, but the length of time taken for the Division, 12 minutes, has not yet been excessive--it has taken one minute longer than the previous ones. Certainly, if any further time passes, I shall send the Serjeant in. The House having divided: Ayes 42, Noes 139.

Division No. 207
[10.47 am


AYES


Blunt, Crispin
Boswell, Tim
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter
Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth
(Rushcliffe)
Colvin, Michael
Curry, Rt Hon David
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Forth, Rt Hon Eric
Garnier, Edward
Gill, Christopher
Goodlad, Rt Hon Sir Alastair
Gray, James
Greenway, John
Gummer, Rt Hon John
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie
Hawkins, Nick
Heald, Oliver
Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael
Hoey, Kate
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas
Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot)
Johnson Smith,
Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Lansley, Andrew
Leigh, Edward
Luff, Peter
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
McIntosh, Miss Anne
MacKay, Andrew
Maclean, Rt Hon David
Maginnis, Ken
Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Öpik, Lembit
Prior, David
Robathan, Andrew
Spicer, Sir Michael
Spring, Richard
Streeter, Gary
Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton)
Wilkinson, John
Woodward, Shaun
Yeo, Tim

Tellers for the Ayes:


Mr. Peter Atkinson and
Mr. Owen Paterson.


NOES


Ainger, Nick
Anderson, Janet (Rossendale)
Atkins, Charlotte
Atkinson, David (Bour'mth E)
Austin, John
Ballard, Mrs Jackie
Barnes, Harry
Begg, Miss Anne
Benn, Rt Hon Tony
Bennett, Andrew F
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin)
Bradshaw, Ben
Brake, Tom
Brown, Rt Hon Nick (Newcastle E)
Buck, Ms Karen
Burden, Richard
Butler, Mrs Christine
Byers, Stephen
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth)
Caplin, Ivor
Casale, Roger
Caton, Martin
Cawsey, Ian
Clapham, Michael
Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields)
Clark, Dr Lynda
(Edinburgh Pentlands)
Clarke, Charles (Norwich S)
Clarke, Tony (Northampton S)
Clwyd, Ann
Coaker, Vernon
Coleman, Iain
Cooper, Yvette
Corbyn, Jeremy
Corston, Ms Jean
Cousins, Jim
Cox, Tom
Darvill, Keith
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H)
Dobbin, Jim
Dowd, Jim
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey)
Etherington, Bill
Ewing, Mrs Margaret
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, Caroline
Flynn, Paul
Foster, Don (Bath)
Foster, Michael J (Worcester)
Gale, Roger
Gibson, Dr Ian
Gilroy, Mrs Linda
Gordon, Mrs Eileen
Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale)
Hancock, Mike
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich)
Hill, Keith
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark N)
Hutton, John
Iddon, Dr Brian
Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead)
Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough)
Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak)
Kelly, Ms Ruth
Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree)
King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth)
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green)
Lawrence, Ms Jackie
Lepper, David
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C)
Love, Andrew
McCabe, Steve
McDonagh, Siobhain
McFall, John
McIsaac, Shona
Mackinlay, Andrew
McNamara, Kevin
McNulty, Tony
MacShane, Denis
Marshall-Andrews, Robert
Martlew, Eric
Merron, Gillian
Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley)
Miller, Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N)
Morley, Elliot
Mountford, Kali
Murphy, Paul (Torfaen)
Naysmith, Dr Doug
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks)
Olner, Bill
Palmer, Dr Nick
Pickthall, Colin
Pike, Peter L
Pound, Stephen
Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Prescott, Rt Hon John
Primarolo, Dawn
Prosser, Gwyn
Quinn, Lawrie
Rammell, Bill
Rapson, Syd
Reed, Andrew (Loughborough)
Rendel, David
Rooker, Jeff
Ruane, Chris
Russell, Bob (Colchester)
Savidge, Malcolm
Sawford, Phil
Sedgemore, Brian
Shaw, Jonathan
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
Southworth, Ms Helen
Squire, Ms Rachel
Starkey, Dr Phyllis
Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Stinchcombe, Paul
Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann
(Dewsbury)
Taylor, Sir Teddy
Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W)
Timms, Stephen
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mark
Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown)
Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk)
Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Vis, Dr Rudi
Walley, Ms Joan
Watts, David
White, Brian
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth)

Tellers for the Noes:


Mr. John Heppell and
Mr. Joe Benton.

Question accordingly negatived.

13 Mar 1998 : Column 868

New clause 6

Gun Packs


'.--(1) A person does not commit an offence under section 1(1) if as a member of a gun pack:
(a) he hunts foxes with dogs for the purpose of culling, whether or not foxes are killed by dogs in the process, or
(b) he hunts an injured fox in order to kill it with dogs where it is reasonably believed by the person in control of those dogs to be the most effective method of killing it.
(2) In this section "Gun Pack" means any club or association registered with the Welsh Farmers Fox Control Association or any like Fox Control Association with similar purposes established in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland and which operates according to the code of practice prescribed by that Association'.--[Mr. Öpik.]
Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:--

The House divided: Ayes 43, Noes 138.

Division No. 208
[11.2 am


AYES


Arbuthnot, James
Blunt, Crispin
Boswell, Tim
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter
Chope, Christopher
Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth
(Rushcliffe)
Colvin, Michael
Curry, Rt Hon David
Duncan, Alan
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Forth, Rt Hon Eric
Garnier, Edward
Gill, Christopher
Goodlad, Rt Hon Sir Alastair
Gray, James
Greenway, John
Gummer, Rt Hon John
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie
Hawkins, Nick
Heald, Oliver
Hoey, Kate
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas
Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot)
Johnson Smith,
Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Lansley, Andrew
Leigh, Edward
Luff, Peter
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
McIntosh, Miss Anne
MacKay, Andrew
Maclean, Rt Hon David
Maginnis, Ken
Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Öpik, Lembit
Prior, David
Robathan, Andrew
Spicer, Sir Michael
Spring, Richard
Streeter, Gary
Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton)
Wilkinson, John
Woodward, Shaun
Yeo, Tim

Tellers for the Ayes:


Mr. Peter Atkinson and
Mr. Owen Paterson.


NOES


Ainger, Nick
Anderson, Janet (Rossendale)
Atkins, Charlotte
Atkinson, David (Bour'mth E)
Austin, John
Ballard, Mrs Jackie
Barnes, Harry
Begg, Miss Anne
Benn, Rt Hon Tony
Bennett, Andrew F
Boateng, Paul
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin)
Bradshaw, Ben
Brake, Tom
Brown, Rt Hon Nick (Newcastle E)
Buck, Ms Karen
Burden, Richard
Butler, Mrs Christine
Cable, Dr Vincent
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth)
Caplin, Ivor
Casale, Roger
Caton, Martin
Cawsey, Ian
Clapham, Michael
Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields)
Clark, Dr Lynda
(Edinburgh Pentlands)
Clarke, Charles (Norwich S)
Clarke, Tony (Northampton S)
Clwyd, Ann
Coaker, Vernon
Coleman, Iain
Cooper, Yvette
Corbyn, Jeremy
Corston, Ms Jean
Cousins, Jim
Cox, Tom
Darvill, Keith
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H)
Dobbin, Jim
Dowd, Jim
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey)
Etherington, Bill
Ewing, Mrs Margaret
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, Caroline
Flynn, Paul
Foster, Don (Bath)
Foster, Michael J (Worcester)
Gale, Roger
Gibson, Dr Ian
Gilroy, Mrs Linda
Gordon, Mrs Eileen
Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale)
Hancock, Mike
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich)
Hill, Keith
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark N)
Hutton, John
Iddon, Dr Brian
Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead)
Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough)
Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak)
Kelly, Ms Ruth
Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree)
King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth)
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green)
Lawrence, Ms Jackie
Lepper, David
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C)
Love, Andrew
McCabe, Steve
McDonagh, Siobhain
McFall, John
McIsaac, Shona
McNamara, Kevin
McNulty, Tony
MacShane, Denis
Marshall-Andrews, Robert
Martlew, Eric
Merron, Gillian
Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley)
Miller, Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N)
Morley, Elliot
Mountford, Kali
Murphy, Paul (Torfaen)
Naysmith, Dr Doug
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks)
Olner, Bill
Palmer, Dr Nick
Pickthall, Colin
Pike, Peter L
Pound, Stephen
Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Primarolo, Dawn
Prosser, Gwyn
Quinn, Lawrie
Rammell, Bill
Rapson, Syd
Reed, Andrew (Loughborough)
Rendel, David
Rooker, Jeff
Ruane, Chris
Russell, Bob (Colchester)
Savidge, Malcolm
Sawford, Phil
Sedgemore, Brian
Shaw, Jonathan
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
Southworth, Ms Helen
Squire, Ms Rachel
Starkey, Dr Phyllis
Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Stinchcombe, Paul
Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann
(Dewsbury)
Taylor, Sir Teddy
Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W)
Timms, Stephen
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mark
Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown)
Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk)
Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Vis, Dr Rudi
Walley, Ms Joan
Watts, David
White, Brian
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth)

Tellers for the Noes:


Mr. John Heppell and
Mr. Joe Benton.

Question accordingly negatived.

13 Mar 1998 : Column 869

New clause 18

Hunting beginning in the Republic of Ireland


'A person does not commit an offence under section 1(1) if he hunts a wild mammal with a dog on land in Northern Ireland in circumstances where his hunting of that mammal begins in the Republic of Ireland and continues over the border into Northern Ireland.'.--[Mr. Maginnis.]
Brought up, and read the First time.

13 Mar 1998 : Column 870

Mr. Ken Maginnis (Fermanagh and South Tyrone): I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.


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