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Page 312 1997-1998 Volume 254 [No. 100.] Monday 19th January 1998. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Bill to be read a second time on Friday 24th April.
Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords],The Lords have passed a Bill, intituled, An Act to provide for the transfer to and vesting in Lloyds Bank Plc of the undertakings of TSB Bank plc and Hill Samuel Bank Limited; and for connected purposes; to which the Lords desire the concurrence of this House.
Bill referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills.
That the seven days allotted under the Order [15th January] to proceedings in Committee shall be allotted in the manner shown in the following Table and each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion (in accordance with the Order) at the time specified in relation to that part of the proceedings in the third column of the Table. TABLE
Report to lie upon the Table.
(In the Committee) Clause No. 1 (Meaning of the Treaties and the Community Treaties). Another Amendment (No. 26) proposed, in page 1, line 13, at the end, to insert the words other than in Article 2, paragraph 7'. Page 313 Monday 19th January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top Question again proposed, That the Amendment be made. Question put and negatived. Another Amendment (No. 9) proposed, in page 1, line 18, at the end, to insert the words and Protocol 7 paragraph (2)'.(Mr Gary Streeter.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr John Whittingdale: 135. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr John McFall: 362. And it being after half-past Six o'clock, the Chairman, pursuant to Order [17th December], put the Questions necessary to dispose of remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 1 and 2. Clauses Nos. 1 and 2 agreed to. Clause No. 3 agreed to. A Clause (Enhancement of role of Parliament)(Mr David Heath)brought up, and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time:Clause, by leave, withdrawn. Another Clause (Powers of Europol: Report)(Mr Gary Streeter)brought up, and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time:Clause, by leave, withdrawn. Another Clause (Police operations in co-operation with Europol)(Mr David Heath)brought up, and read the first time. Question put, That the Clause be read a second time. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Steve Webb, Mr Richard Allan: 38. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr John McFall: 324. Another Clause (Exchange of information between Court of Auditors and other bodies)(Mr David Heath)brought up, and read the first time. Question, That the Clause be read a second time, put and negatived. Bill to be reported, pursuant to Order [17th December]. The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr Jon Owen Jones reported, That the Committee had gone through the Bill, without Amendment. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That the Bill be now read the third time; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 370. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr John Whittingdale: 145. So the Question was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read the third time, and passed.
And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then twelve minutes to Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.48 p.m. Page 314 Monday 19th January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
(2) draft Scheme for Construction Contracts (Scotland) Regulations 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar]. Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
APPENDIX II Standing Committees
The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee C. APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
MEMORANDUM BUSINESS COMMITTEE In pursuance of Standing Order No. 82 (Business Committee), as varied by the Order of 16th January, the Speaker nominated Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Dr Liam Fox, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr John McFall, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Henry McLeish, Mr Ernie Ross, Mr James Wallace and Mr Andrew Welsh to be members of the Business Committee in respect of the Scotland Bill. Page 315 Monday 19th January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top [No. 101.] Tuesday 20th January 1998. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Question put forthwith, That this House doth agree with the Committee in its Resolution:It was agreed to.
(In the Committee) Clause No. 1 (The Assembly). Amendment (No. 52) proposed, in page 1, line 8, to leave out the word an' and to insert the words a legislative'.(Mr Dafydd Wigley.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 4) proposed, in page 1, line 10, at the end, to insert the words (1A) Notwithstanding the establishment of the Assembly, or anything contained in this Act, the supreme authority of the Parliament of the United Kingdom shall remain unaffected and undiminished over all persons, matters and things in Wales.'.(Mr Michael Ancram.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Sir David Madel: 133. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Jamieson, Janet Anderson: 365. Clause agreed to. Clause No. 2 (Membership). Amendment (No. 93) proposed, in page 1, line 15, after the word of' to insert the words members for each Assembly constituency'.(Mr Lembit Opik.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Michael Moore, Mr Richard Allan: 43. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr John McFall: 355. Another Amendment (No. 22A) proposed, in page 1, line 16, to leave out from the word constituency' to the end of line 17.(Mr Michael Ancram.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Sir David Madel: 136. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr John McFall: 378. And it being Ten o'clock, the Chairman left the Chair to report progress and to ask leave to sit again. Page 316 Tuesday 20th January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair; and Mr John McFall reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and moved, That the Committee may have leave to sit again. Committee again to-morrow.
(1) residents of Glenelg and Armadale communities in support of the GlenelgKylerhlea ferry service, and (2) employees and patients of the National Health Service for the prevention of the use of the word diabetic' on the labels of food products were presented; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till half-past Ten o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.30 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(2) Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Radioactivity in Sheep) (Wales) Partial Revocation Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 72), dated 19th January 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies]. APPENDIX II Reports from Select Committees
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(2) Eleventh Report from the Committee on Standards and Privileges [Complaint against Mr Howard Flight], together with an Appendix (Memorandum by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards); to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 489] [Mr Robert Sheldon].
[No. 102.] Wednesday 21st January 1998. The House met at half-past Nine o'clock. PRAYERS.
And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.
Report to lie upon the Table; and to be printed [No. 500I]. Minutes of Evidence to lie upon the Table; and to be printed [No. 500II]. Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 500II].
And the Motion being opposed, after a brief explanatory statement from the Member who made the Motion and from a Member who opposed it, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 23 (Motions for leave to bring in bills and nomination of select committees at commencement of public business):It was agreed to. Ordered, That Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Alan Clark, Mr Roger Gale, Mr Vernon Coaker, Dr Liz Blackman, Ms Fiona Jones, Mr Michael Foster (Hastings and Rye), Mr Mark Todd, Mr Barry Gardiner, Mr Ivor Caplin and Mr Chris Mullin do prepare and bring in the Bill.
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(In the Committee) Clause No. 2 agreed to Schedule No. 1 (Assembly constituencies and Assembly electoral regions). Amendment (No. 19A) proposed, in page 70, line 11, to leave out the word four' and insert the word six', instead thereof.(Mr Richard Livsey.) Question, That the Amendment be made, put and negatived. Another Amendment (No. 186) proposed, in page 71, line 31, to leave out the words local government' and insert the word parliamentary', instead thereof.(Mr Elfyn Llwyd.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Schedule agreed to. Clause No. 3 (Time of ordinary elections). An Amendment (No. 167) proposed, in page 2, line 18, at the end, to insert the words but that day shall not coincide with a day designated for holding elections to local authorities in Wales'.(Mr Dafydd Wigley.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause agreed to. Clause No. 4 (Voting at ordinary elections). An Amendment (No. 54) proposed, in page 2, line 39, to leave out the words is to' and insert the word may', instead thereof.(Mr Ieuan Wyn Jones.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 50) proposed, in page 2, line 42, at the end, to insert the words (aa) a candidate who is a member of a registered political party which has submitted a list of candidates to be Assembly members for the Assembly electoral region in which the Assembly constituency is located,'.(Mr Richard Livsey.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made: And it being Seven o'clock the Chairman, pursuant to Order [15th January] and Resolution [20th January], put the Question necessary to dispose of remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 4 to 20. Question, That the Amendment (No. 50) be made, put and negatived. Clause agreed to. Clauses Nos. 5 to 10 agreed to. Clause No. 11 (Power to make provision about elections etc.). Amendment (No. 134) made. Clause, as amended, agreed to. Clauses Nos. 12 to 14 agreed to. Clause No. 15 (Judicial proceedings as to disqualification). Amendment (No. 135) made. Clause, as amended, agreed to. Clauses Nos. 16 to 20 agreed to. Clause No. 21 agreed to. Clause No. 22 (Transfer of Ministerial functions). Amendment (No. 45) proposed, in page 12, line 39, after (1)' to insert the words Page 319 Wednesday 21st January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top Functions in the fields specified in Schedule 2, so far as exercisable by the Secretary of State for Wales are hereby transferred to the Assembly. (IA)'.(Mr Michael Ancram.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The Committee divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr Nigel Waterson: 147. Tellers for the Noes, Janet Anderson, Mr Jim Dowd: 370. And it being after Ten o'clock, the Chairman left the Chair to report progress and to ask leave to sit again. The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr Clive Betts reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and moved, That the Committee may have leave to sit again. Committee again to-morrow.
Resolved, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) Bill [Lords], it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment.(Mr Clive Betts.)
And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then fourteen minutes to Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.46 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Criminal Justice (Serious Fraud) (Northern Ireland) Order 1988 (Notice of Transfer) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.R.(N.I.), 1998, No. 6), dated 14th January 1998 [by Statutory Instrument] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
(2) Revenue Traders (Accounts and Records) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 62), dated 20th January 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].
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Other Papers:
(2) Report on smallholdings in England for 199495 [by Act] [Dr John Cunningham]; and (3) Report on smallholdings in Wales for 199394, and (4) Report on smallholdings in Wales for 199495 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies].
APPENDIX II Standing Committees
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee E and has appointed Dr Michael Clark and Mr Joe Benton Chairmen; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated eighteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mrs Jackie Ballard, Mr Colin Breed, Mr Richard Caborn, Mr Ben Chapman, Mr Paul Clark, Mr David Clelland, Mr David Curry, Mr Stephen Day, Angela Eagle, Mr Jim Fitzpatrick, Mr Stephen Hepburn, Ms Jenny Jones, Mr Doug Naysmith, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Mr David Taylor, Ms Rosie Winterton, Mr Anthony D. Wright and Mr Tim Yeo.
The Speaker has appointed Mrs Ray Michie an additional Chairman of Standing Committee C in respect of the Bill.
The Committee of Selection has nominated seventeen Members to serve on Standing Committee C in respect of the Bill, viz.: Ms Judith Church, Mr John Cryer, Mr Geraint Davies, Mrs Margaret Ewing, Mr Jim Fitzpatrick, Mr Damian Green, Ann Keen, Ms Oona King, Miss Julie Kirkbride, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Gillian Merron, Mr Lembit Opik, Mr Peter L. Pike, Mr Phil Sawford, Mr Stephen Twigg, Mr Bowen Wells and Mr Phil Woolas.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mrs Irene Adams Chairman; and (2) The Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Tony Benn, Mrs Liz Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Mr James Cran, Mr John Cummings, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Michael Fabricant, Mr Clifford Forsythe, Mr Mike Gapes, Mr Barry Gardiner, Mr Christopher Gill, Mrs Tess Kingham, Mr Ivan Lewis, Mr Malcolm Moss, Mr Cecil Walker and Mr Tony Worthington.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Miss Ann Widdecombe Chairman; and (2) The Commitee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr William Cash, Ms Judith Church, Mr James Cran, Mr John Cryer, Mr Jeffrey M. Donaldson, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Stephen Hepburn, Helen Jackson, Ms Oona King, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Bob Laxton, Mr Malcolm Moss, Mr Paul Murphy, Mr Bill Olner, Mrs Sandra Osborne and The Reverend Martin Smyth. Page 321 Wednesday 21st January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top
The Committee of Selection has discharged Ann Keen from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Orders; and appointed in substitution Ms Gisela Stuart. Grand Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Memoranda laid before the Agriculture Committee [Food safety; UK beef industry] [Mr Peter Luff].
(2) Memorandum laid before the Defence Committee [Chinook Crash on Mull of Kintyre] [Mr Bruce George].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Employment Committee on 21st January [The funding of student loans], together with Appendices; to be printed [No. 497i]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education Sub-Committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 21st January [Disaffected children]; to be printed [No. 498i]; [Ms Margaret Hodge].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 21st January [Proposed Strategic Rail Authority and Railway Regulation]; to be printed [No. 286vii] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
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(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee on 21st January [Electoral Malpractice in Northern Ireland]; to be printed [No. 316iv] [Mr Peter Brooke].
[No. 103.] Thursday 22nd January 1998. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
That (1) the order in which proceedings in Committee are taken shall be Clause 1, Schedule 1, Clauses 2 to 20, Schedule 2, Clause 21, Schedule 3, Clauses 22 to 28, Schedule 4, Clauses 29 to 91, Schedule 6, Clauses 92 to 109, Schedule 5, New Clauses, New Schedules, Clause 110, Schedules 7 and 8, Clauses 111 to 116. (2) the eight days allotted under the Order [13th January] to proceedings in Committee shall be allotted in the manner shown in the Table set out below and each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion (in accordance with the Order) at the time specified in the third column of the Table. TABLE
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Report to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
A Clause (Role of Treasury Committee in appointments under section 13(2)(c))(Mr David Heathcoat-Amory)brought up, and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time:Clause, by leave, withdrawn. Another Clause (Confirmation hearings for Bank appointments)(Mr Quentin Davies)brought up, and read the first time. Question put, That the Clause be read a second time. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nigel Waterson, Mr Stephen Day: 143. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Greg Pope: 252. Amendments (Nos. 41 and 42) made to the Bill. Amendment (No. 25) proposed to the Bill, in page 5, line 2, after the word and', to insert the words the highest possible levels of employment, and'.(Mr Austin Mitchell.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 30) proposed to the Bill, in page 5, line 41, at the end, to insert the words and an estimate of its effect on inflation, economic growth, employment and the exchange rate.'.(Mr Austin Mitchell.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 43) made to the Bill. Another Amendment (No. 15) proposed to the Bill, in page 9, line 36, at the end, to insert the words (2) In exercising the functions transferred under subsection (1) the costs of the Authority shall not exceed the costs incurred by the bodies previously responsible for exercising these functions, as adjusted for inflation.'.(Mr Michael Fallon.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 44) made to the Bill. Another Amendment (No. 21) proposed to the Bill, in page 21, line 5, to leave out the words to be representative of persons'.(Mr Michael Fallon.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 11) proposed to the Bill, in page 42, to leave out line 12.(Mr David Heathcoat-Amory.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Page 324 Thursday 22nd January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top Another Amendment (No. 45) made to the Bill. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That the Bill be now read the third time; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Jon Owen Jones, Mr Clive Betts: 207. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Whittingdale, Sir David Madel: 116. So the Question was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read the third time, and passed.
And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then eighteen minutes to Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.42 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
APPENDIX II Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee on 15th and 22nd January [Preparations for Stage Three of Economic and Monetary Union]; to be printed [Nos. 503-i & ii]; and (3) Memoranda [Accountability of the Bank of England] [Mr Giles Radice]. Page 325 Thursday 22nd January 1998 1997-1998 Volume 254 Back to top [No. 104.] Friday 23rd January 1998. The House met at half-past Nine o'clock. PRAYERS.
Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords]. Bill to be read a second time.
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 63 (Committal of bills), That the Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House(Sir George Young):It was agreed to. Committee on Friday 6th February.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time; And it being half-past Two o'clock, the Debate stood adjourned. Ordered, That the Debate be resumed on Friday 30th January.
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 63 (Committal of bills), That the Bill be committed to a Committee of the whole House(Mr Andrew Lansley):It was agreed to. Committee on Friday 24th April.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 13th March.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 24th April.
Ordered, That the Debate be resumed on Friday 30th January.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 30th January.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 30th January.
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Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 30th January.
Ordered, That the Debate be resumed on Friday 30th January.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 30th January.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 30th January.
And the Motion having been made after half-past Two o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then three minutes past Three o'clock, till Monday 26th January. [Adjourned at 3.03 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Prescription Only Medicines (Human Use) Amendment Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 108), dated 23rd January 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
Other Papers:
(2) NCIS (Secretary of State's Objectives) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 110), dated 20th January 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].
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