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[No. 115.]

Monday 9th February 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Scotland Bill (Business Committee),—The Chairman of Ways and Means reported from the Business Committee, That it had come to a further Resolution in respect of the Scotland Bill, which it had directed him to report to the House:

That the Resolution of the Committee reported to the House on 22nd January be varied so that—

(a) the third to eighth days allotted under the Order [13th January] to proceedings in Committee of the whole House shall be allotted in the manner shown in the Table set out below, and

(b) each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion (in accordance with the Order) at the time specified in the third column of the Table.

TABLE

Allotted dayProceedings in CommitteeTime for conclusion of proceedings
Third dayClause 41 Clauses 42 to 47 Clauses 48 to 53 Clauses 54 to 60 6.00 p.m. 7.00 p.m. 8.30 p.m. 10.00 p.m.
Fourth dayClause 61 (up to and including the word “determine” in subsection (2)) Clause 61 (remaining proceedings) Clause 62 Clauses 63 to 68 7.00 p.m. 8.45 p.m. 10.00 p.m
Fifth to eighth daysRemaining proceedings (according to time limits to be determined by a further report or further reports of the Business Committee)10.00 p.m. on the eighth day

Report to lie upon the Table.

2Access to the Countryside Bill,—The Order for reading the Access to the Countryside Bill a second time on Friday 13th February was read and discharged.

Bill to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July.

3Coordinated Universal Time Bill [Lords],—The Order for reading the Coordinated Universal Time Bill [Lords] a second time on Friday 13th February was read and discharged.

Bill to be read a second time on Friday 3rd July.

4Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Bill [Lords], without Amendment.

5Opposition day [7th allotted day],—It being an allotted day at the disposal of the leader of the second largest opposition party in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider opposition business.

Child Support Agency,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House, believing that both parents have responsibility for the financial and emotional welfare of their children during the whole of their childhood, that the taxpayer should only be called upon to provide income-related benefits to support children financially when neither parent has sufficient resources to provide that support, that it is in the best interests of the children if the system of child support encourages their parents to agree voluntarily and then put into practice a financial arrangement for the maintenance of those children which is fair to those children, both parents and the taxpayer, and that the Child Support Agency has failed to meet these objectives, supports the repeal of the rigidly formula-based Child Support Act and its replacement by a system of child support which encourages parental responsibility, enhances work incentives, takes due account of

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the cost to the taxpayer, includes an effective right of appeal, and is flexible enough to produce a fair outcome for families whatever their circumstances—(Mr David Rendel);

An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word ‘House' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘believes that all children have the right to the support of both parents wherever they may live, that the previous Government failed to set up an effective system of child support through the Child Support Agency because the CSA was introduced in a hasty and ill thought out manner, that the current child support formula is complex, difficult for parents to understand, and slow, inaccurate and expensive to deliver, that the result is that the CSA has failed to increase the proportion of parents who pay regular maintenance for their children and that 70 per cent. of parents with care are refusing to co-operate with the CSA and 60 per cent. of non-resident parents either pay no maintenance or only pay sporadically, and that the receipt of regular maintenance is an important part of the Government's strategy of tackling child poverty; and welcomes the fact that the Government is looking closely at all areas of the child support system to ensure that it is consistent, fair and efficient and that it expects to bring forward its proposals by the summer', instead thereof.— (Mr Frank Field.)

And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Paul Tyler, Mr Adrian Sanders: 43.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Clive Betts: 296.

So the Question was negatived.

And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):—It was agreed to.

The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, amended, to be agreed to.

Resolved, That this House believes that all children have the right to the support of both parents wherever they may live, that the previous Government failed to set up an effective system of child support through the Child Support Agency because the CSA was introduced in a hasty and ill thought out manner, that the current child support formula is complex, difficult for parents to understand, and slow, inaccurate and expensive to deliver, that the result is that the CSA has failed to increase the proportion of parents who pay regular maintenance for their children and that 70 per cent. of parents with care are refusing to co-operate with the CSA and 60 per cent. of non-resident parents either pay no maintenance or only pay sporadically, and that the receipt of regular maintenance is an important part of the Government's strategy of tackling child poverty, and welcomes the fact that the Government is looking closely at all areas of the child support system to ensure that it is consistent, fair and efficient and that it expects to bring forward its proposals by the summer.

Railway Services,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes that rail privatisation by the Conservative Government has been a disaster, failing on many routes to deliver customer satisfaction, reliability or an integrated service, and therefore calls on the Government to work with the regulator to set and enforce standards, withhold grants in cases of persistent failure, and bring forward policies to deliver investment in a safe, reliable and affordable rail system at the heart of an integrated sustainable transport strategy—(Mr Matthew Taylor);

An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word ‘House' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘deplores the previous Government's privatisation of the railways, which has made a large profit for a few, but has been a poor deal for the taxpayer and the passenger, and has fragmented the rail network; welcomes the Government's interim package of measures introduced in November 1997—new Objectives, Instructions and Guidance for the Franchising Director, new planning criteria for OPRAF and a Concordat with the Rail Regulator—which puts the interests of rail users first; and commends the Government's commitment to establish effective and accountable regulation and to set up a new rail authority so that passengers' legitimate expectations are met', instead thereof.—(Dr Gavin Strang.)

And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Paul Tyler, Mr Donald Gorrie: 40.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Clelland, Mr David Jamieson: 296.

So the Question was negatived.

And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):—It was agreed to.

The Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

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Resolved, That this House deplores the previous Government's privatisation of the railways, which has made a large profit for a few, but has been a poor deal for the taxpayer and the passenger, and has fragmented the rail network; welcomes the Government's interim package of measures introduced in November 1997—new Objectives, Instructions and Guidance for the Franchising Director, new planning criteria for OPRAF and a Concordat with the Rail Regulator—which puts the interests of rail users first; and commends the Government's commitment to establish effective and accountable regulation and to set up a new rail authority so that passengers' legitimate expectations are met.

6Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Clive Betts.)

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-five minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 10.35 p.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1Local Government,—Draft Local Authorities (Transport Charges) Regulations 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

2Local Government Finance (Wales),—(1) Limitation of Council Tax (Relevant Notional Amounts) Report (Wales) 1998–99 (Revised), and

(2) Local Government Finance Report (Wales) 1998–99 (Revised),

[by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 542 and 541] [Mr Secretary Davies].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

3Education,—Education (Modification of Enactments Relating to Employment) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 218), dated 6th February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

4Social Security,—New Deal (Miscellaneous Provisions) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 217), dated 6th February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

Papers withdrawn:

5Local Government Finance (Wales),—(1) Limitation of Council Tax (Relevant Notional Amounts) Report (Wales) 1998–99, and

(2) Local Government Finance Report (Wales) 1998–99,

[laid on 2nd February and then ordered to be printed [Nos. 456 and 455]].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1Energy Efficiency Bill:

The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee C.

2Energy Conservation (Housing) Bill:

The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee C.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

Public Accounts,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts on 9th February [Cataract Surgery in Scotland]; to be printed [No. 546-i] [Mr David Davis]


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[No. 116.]

Tuesday 10th February 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords],—Ordered, That the Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords] be read a second time on Tuesday 17th February.

2First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Andrew Welsh reported from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Valuation and Rating (Exempted Classes) Scotland Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr John Butterfill reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Modification) Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4War Memorials Preservation,— Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the preservation of war memorials; to ensure their proper transfer to a suitable location if their present site is redeveloped; to amend the War Memorials (Local Authorities Powers) Act 1923; and for connected purposes: And that Mr David Maclean, Mr A. J. Beith, Mr Menzies Campbell, Frank Cook, Sir Peter Emery, Sir Geoffrey Johnson Smith, Mr Barry Jones, Sir Peter Lloyd, The Reverend Martin Smyth, Mr Nicholas Soames and Mr Peter Viggers do prepare and bring it in.

5War Memorials Preservation Bill,—Mr David Maclean accordingly presented a Bill to provide for the preservation of war memorials; to ensure their proper transfer to a suitable location if their present site is redeveloped; to amend the War Memorials (Local Authorities Powers) Act 1923; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 24th April and to be printed [Bill 120].

6Scotland Bill (Programme),—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 82 (Business Committee), That the further Report [9th February] from the Business Committee be now considered—(Mr Graham Allen):—It was agreed to.

Question put forthwith, That this House agrees with the Committee in its Resolution:—It was agreed to.

7Scotland Bill (Committee) [3rd allotted day],—The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into a Committee on the Scotland Bill.

(In the Committee)

Clause No. 41 (The Scottish Executive).

Amendment (No. 303) proposed, in page 18, to leave out lines 7 and 8 and insert the words—

‘(1A) Any devolved Law Officer shall not be a member of the Scottish Executive'.—(Mr Michael Ancram.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr John Whittingdale: 138.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Greg Pope: 352.

It being Six o'clock, the Chairman, pursuant to Order [13th January] and Resolution [this day], put the Question necessary to dispose of the remaining proceedings on Clause No. 41.

Clause agreed to.

Clause No. 42 (The First Minister).

Amendment (No. 44) proposed, in page 18, line 11 to leave out from the word ‘be' to the end of line 13 and insert the words ‘elected by the members of the Parliament'.— (Mr Dennis Canavan.)

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Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clause agreed to.

Clause No. 43 agreed to.

Clause No. 44 (Ministers).

Amendment (No. 276) proposed, in page 19, line 10, after the word ‘appoint' to insert the words ‘up to a total of ten'.—(Dr Liam Fox.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr James Cran, Mr John Whittingdale: 131.

Tellers for the Noes, Bridget Prentice, Mr Greg Pope: 365.

It being after Seven o'clock, the Chairman proceeded to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 44 to 47.

Clause agreed to.

Clause Nos. 45 to 47 agreed to.

Clause No. 48 (Exercise of functions).

Amendment (No. 321) made.

Amendment (No. 279) proposed, in page 21, line 14, at the end, to add the words—

‘(7) Nothing in this Act shall permit Scottish Ministers to exercise any function or to enjoy any power in any part of England, Wales or Northern Ireland.'.—(Mr Oliver Heald.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr Stephen Day: 134.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Greg Pope: 364.

It being after half-past Eight o'clock, the Chairman put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 48 to 53.

Clause (No. 48), as amended, agreed to.

Clauses Nos. 49 to 51 agreed to.

Clause No. 52 (Shared powers).

Amendment (No. 322) made.

Clause, as amended, agreed to.

Clause No. 53 agreed to.

Clause No. 54 (Power to prevent or require action).

Amendment (No. 281) proposed, in page 22, line 40, to leave out from the word ‘may' to the end of line 41 and insert the words ‘apply to the Court of Session to seek an Order to prohibit the proposed action'.—(Mr Bernard Jenkin.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr Nigel Waterson: 181.

Tellers for the Noes, Jane Kennedy, Mr Jim Dowd: 323.

It being after Ten o'clock the Chairman put the Questions necessary to dispose of the remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 54 to 60.

Clause agreed to.

Clauses Nos. 55 to 58 agreed to.

Clause No. 59 (Power to transfer functions).

Amendments (Nos. 323 to 327) made.

Clause, as amended, agreed to.

Clause No. 60 (Transfers of property and liabilities in connection with functions).

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Amendments (Nos. 328 and 329) made.

Clause, as amended, agreed to.

And it being after Ten o'clock, the Chairman left the Chair to report progress and to ask leave to sit again.

The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr John McFall reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and moved, That the Committee may have leave to sit again.

Committee again to-morrow.

8Consumer Credit,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Consumer Credit (Increase of Monetary Limits) (Amendment) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 13th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

9Employment and Training,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Industrial Training Levy (Construction Board) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

10Employment and Training,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Industrial Training Levy (Engineering Construction Board) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

11Fees and Charges,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Department of Transport (Fees) (Amendment) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

12Food (S.I., 1997, No. 2959),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the Beef Bones Regulations 1997 (S.I., 1997, No. 2959), dated 15th December 1997, a copy of which was laid before this House on 15th December, be annulled—(Mr Charles Kennedy);

And it being half-past Eleven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 17 (Delegated Legislation (negative procedure)).

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Donald Gorrie, Mr Paul Tyler: 196.

Tellers for the Noes, Jane Kennedy, Mr Jim Dowd: 321.

So the Question was negatived.

13Public Petitions,—A Public Petition from residents of Pudsey in support of the campaign to amend the Licensing Act 1964 was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

14Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr Jim Dowd);

Wednesday 11th February 1998

Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till thirteen minutes past Twelve o'clock on Wednesday morning, adjourned till this day.

[Adjourned at 12.13 a.m.


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APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

1Audit (Northern Ireland),—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland on Department of Education Northern Ireland: Provision of Initial Teacher Training [by Statutory Instrument]; to be printed [No. 501] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].

2Health,—Government Respose to the First Report of the Health Committee, Session 1997–98, on Tobacco Advertising and the Proposed EC Directive [by Command] [Cm. 3859] [Mr Secretary Dobson].

3Reserve Forces,—Amendment No. 18 to the Territorial Army Regulations 1978 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Robertson].

4Sea Fisheries,—Reports by—

(1) the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on the proceedings under sections 1 to 5 of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, for 1997 [by Act] [Dr John Cunningham];

(2) the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State responsible for Agriculture, Environment and Fisheries in Scotland on the proceedings under sections 1 to 5 of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, for 1997 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar]; and

(3) the Secretary of State for Wales on the proceedings under sections 1 to 5 of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, for 1997 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

1Agriculture,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Agriculture Committee on 10th February [Food safety]; to be printed [No. 331-vi]; and

(2) Memoranda laid before the Agriculture Committee [Food safety; UK beef industry]

[Mr Peter Luff].

2Environmental Audit,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee on 10th February [The Pre-Budget Report]; to be printed [No. 547] [Mr John Horam].

3Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 10th February [Sustainable Waste Management]; to be printed [No. 484-iv] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].

4International Development,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee on 10th February [Renegotiation of the Lome" Convention]; to be printed [No. 365-vii] [Mr Bowen Wells].

5Parliamentary Privilege,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Joint Committee on Parliamentary Privilege on 10th February; to be printed [No. 401-vi] [Mrs Ann Taylor].

6Procedure,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Procedure Committee on 10th February [Resource Accounting and Budgeting]; to be printed [No. 438-iii] [Mr Nicholas Winterton].

7Public Administration,—(1) First Report from the Select Committee on Public Administration [Public Appointments]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 327]; and

(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Select Committee on Public Administration on 10th February [The Report of the Health Service Commissioner for 1996–97]; to be printed [No. 352-vi]

[Mr Rhodri Morgan].

8Standards and Privileges,—Twelfth Report from the Committee on Standards and Privileges [Complaint against Sir David Steel], together with an Appendix (Memorandum by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards); to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 548] [Mr Robert Sheldon].

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9Statutory Instruments,—Twenty-Second Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 33-xxii] [Mr David Tredinnick].


[No. 117.]

Wednesday 11th February 1998.

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Bridget Prentice);

And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.

2Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Bowen Wells reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Construction Contracts (England and Wales) Exclusion Order 1998, the draft Scheme for Construction Contracts (England and Wales) Regulations 1998, the draft Scheme for Construction Contracts (Scotland) Regulations 1998 and the draft Construction Contracts (Scotland) Exclusion Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Frank Cook reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Financial Provisions (Northern Ireland) Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4Motor Accident Injury Compensation,—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to ensure compensation for persons injured as a result of road traffic accidents: And that Dr Desmond Turner, Mr Michael Foster (Hastings and Rye), Mr David Lepper, Mr Ivor Caplin, Mr Paul Flynn, Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews and Dr Michael Clark do prepare and bring it in.

5Motor Accident Injury Compensation Bill,—Dr Desmond Turner accordingly presented a Bill to ensure compensation for persons injured as a result of road traffic accidents: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 27th March and to be printed [Bill 121].

6Local Government Finance (Wales),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Local Government Finance Report (Wales) 1998-99 (Revised) (House of Commons Paper No. 541), which was laid before this House on 9th February, be approved—(Mr Secretary Davies);

And it being Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [6th February]:—It was agreed to.

The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Questions required to be put at that hour.

Local Government Finance (Wales),—Resolved, That the Limitation of Council Tax (Relevant Notional Amounts) Report (Wales) 1998-99 (Revised) (House of Commons Paper No. 542), which was laid before this House on 9th February, be approved.— (Mr Secretary Davies.)

Local Government Finance (Wales),—Resolved, That the Special Grant Report (No. 2) (Wales) 1998 (House of Commons Paper No. 504), which was laid before this House on 2nd February, be approved.—(Mr Secretary Davies.)

7Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill.

Lords Amendment No. 1.

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Nick Raynsford);

And it being Ten o'clock, the Debate stood adjourned.

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8Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting, Consideration of Lords Amendments to the Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Mr Graham Allen):—It was agreed to.

9Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill,—The House again proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill.

Lords Amendment No. 1.

The House resumed the adjourned Debate on the Question, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment.

Mr Graham Allen rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

And the Question being put, That the Question be now put;

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Clive Betts: 347.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Nigel Waterson: 105.

So the Question was agreed to.

And the Question being accordingly put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment;

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Clive Betts: 346.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Nigel Waterson: 103.

So the Question was agreed to.

The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

Lords Amendment No. 2.

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Nick Raynsford);

Thursday 12th February 1998

And the Question being put;

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 245.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Paul Tyler: 181.

So the Question was agreed to.

The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

Lords Amendment No. 3.

A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Nick Raynsford);

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 245.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Paul Tyler: 181.

So the Question was agreed to.

The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

A Motion was made and the Question being put, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 1, 2 and 3.

That Mr Graham Allen, Mr Stephen Day, Glenda Jackson, Mr Richard Ottaway and Mr Nick Raynsford be members of the Committee.

That three be the Quorum of the Committee.

That the Committee do withdraw immediately—(Mr Nick Raynsford);

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 236.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Matthew Taylor, Mr Don Foster: 25.

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So the Question was agreed to.

Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 1, 2 and 3.

That Mr Graham Allen, Mr Stephen Day, Glenda Jackson, Mr Richard Ottaway and Mr Nick Raynsford be members of the Committee.

That three be the Quorum of the Committee.

That the Committee do withdraw immediately.

10Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill,—Mr Nick Raynsford reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 1, 2 and 3 to the Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reasons, which it had directed him to report to the House:

The Commons disagree to the Amendment made by the Lords in page 1, line 8, for the following Reason:

Because it is not desirable to make the publication of a Bill providing for the establishment of a Greater London Authority a precondition of the holding of the referendum.

The Commons disagree to the Amendments made by the Lords in page 1, line 11 and in page 6, lines 3 to 7, for the following Reason:

Because the question asked in the referendum should be in the form set out in the Schedule to the Bill.

The Reasons were agreed to.

Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill and Amendments.

11Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Bridget Prentice.)

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till six minutes to Two o'clock, adjourned till this day.

[Adjourned at 1.54 a.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1Local Government Finance,—Special Grant Report (No. 32): Special Grant for Accommodation for Evacuees from Montserrat [by Act]; to be printed [No. 549] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

2Local Government (Scotland),—Local Government (Discretionary Payments and Injury Benefits) (Scotland) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 192), dated 26th January 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].

3National Health Service (Scotland),—National Heath Service (Charges to Overseas Visitors) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 251), dated 4th February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].

Other Papers:

4National Audit,—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Sale of The Stationery Office [by Act]; to be printed [No. 522] [Clerk of the House].

5Public Petitions,—Observations by the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on the Petition [20th January] from employees and patients of the National Health Service for the prevention of the use of the word ‘diabetic' on the labels of food products [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

6South Africa (No. 1, 1998),—Protocol, done at London on 25th November 1997, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Republic of South Africa to the Agreement for the Promotion and Protection of Investments [by Command] [Cm. 3857] [Mr Secretary Cook].

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7Treaty Series (No. 11, 1998),—Amendments, adopted at London on 10th April 1992, to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974 (MSC.24 (60)) [by Command] [Cm. 3856] [Mr Secretary Cook].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1Fossil Fuel Levy Bill [Lords]:

The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee D (transferred from Standing Committee A).

2Special Grant Report (No. 28): Persons from Abroad Children's Grant (HC 478); Special Grant Report (No. 29): Unaccompanied Asylum-Seeking Children (HC 479); Special Grant Report (No. 30): Asylum Seekers' Accommodation (HC 480); Special Grant Report (Scotland) for Adult Asylum Seekers' Assistance (No. 98/3) (HC 490); Special Grant Report (Scotland) for Unaccompanied Asylum-Seeking Children and Children of Asylum Seekers (No. 98/4) (HC 491); and Special Grant Report (Wales) 1998 for Asylum Seekers' Accommodation (HC 457):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Special Grant Reports to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Andrew Welsh Chairman of the Committee; and

(2) The Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee viz.: Mr Richard Allan, Mr Hugh Bayley, Mr Paul Boateng, Mr Peter Brooke, Mr Andrew Dismore, Mr David Drew, Dr Evan Harris, Helen Jones, Mr Oliver Letwin, Mr Henry McLeish, Mr Humfrey Malins, Laura Moffatt, Mr Patrick Nicholls, Bridget Prentice, Mr Syd Rapson and Mr Malcolm Savidge.

European Standing Committees

3European Community Document No. 5357/98, relating to bananas, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.

4European Community Document No. SEM 2000/3, relating to sound financial management:

(1) The Document has been referred to European Standing Committee B, together with Document No. OJ No. C348, relating to the Court of Auditors' Report for 1996, already so referred; and

(2) The Speaker has appointed Mrs Ann Winterton Chairman of the Committee in respect of the Documents.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

1Defence,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 11th February [Strategic Defence Review]; to be printed [No. 138–vii]; and

(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 11th February [NATO Enlargement]; to be printed [No. 469–ii]

[Mr Bruce George].

2Education and Employment,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education Sub-Committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 11th February [OFSTED Annual Report]; to be printed [No. 551–i] [Ms Margaret Hodge].

3Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—(1) Second Report from the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Sewage Treatment and Disposal], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 266] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett]; and

(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 11th February [UK Air Traffic Control]; to be printed [No. 360–iv] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

4European Legislation,—Sixteenth Report from the Select Committee on European Legislation; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee [No. 155–xvi] [Mr Jim Marshall].

5Public Accounts,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts on 11th February [Appropriation Accounts 1996–97, Volume 2: Class II—Foreign and

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  Commonwealth Office: Irregular Payments at the British Embassy in Amman, Jordan]; to be printed [No. 553–i] [Mr David Davis].

6Science and Technology,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee on 11th February [The Year 2000 and Computer Compliance]; to be printed [No. 342–v] [Dr Michael Clark].

7Scottish Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee on 11th February [The Work of the Student Awards Agency for Scotland]; to be printed [No. 550] [Mr David Marshall].

8Social Security,—Second Report from the Social Security Committee [Social Security Reforms: Lessons from the United States of America], together with Appendices to the Report; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 552] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].

9Trade and Industry,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee on 11th February [Energy Policy]; to be printed [Nos. 471–iii and –iv] [Mr Martin O'Neill].


[No. 118.]

Thursday 12th February 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Tyne Tunnels Bill,—The Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means reported from the Committee on Unopposed Bills, That it had examined the allegations contained in the Preamble to the Tyne Tunnels Bill and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill and had directed him to report the same, without Amendment.

Bill to be read the third time.

2Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr George Stevenson reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Carriage by Air Acts (Application of Provisions) (Fourth Amendment) Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3Private Hire Vehicles (London) Bill,—The Order for the House to resolve itself, to-morrow, into a Committee on the Private Hire Vehicles (London) Bill was read and discharged.

Committee on Friday 6th March.

4Scotland Bill (Committee) [4th allotted day],—The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into a Committee on the Scotland Bill.

(In the Committee)

Clause No. 61 (Scottish Consolidated Fund).

Amendment (No. 309) proposed, in page 26, line 4, after the word ‘State', to insert the words ‘, having first taken into account the needs of Scotland in relation to the needs of the United Kingdom as a whole,'.—(Mr Michael Ancram.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Sir David Madel: 113.

Tellers for the Noes, Bridget Prentice, Mr David Jamieson: 304.

Another Amendment (No. 77) proposed, in page 26, line 4, to leave out from the word ‘shall' to the end of line 6, and insert the words ‘in respect of each financial year make payments into the Fund equalling the revenue raised by the Exchequer in Scotland and in the Scottish sector of the United Kingdom continental shelf', instead thereof.— (Mr John Swinney.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

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The Committee divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Andrew Welsh, Mr Alasdair Morgan: 4.

Tellers for the Noes, Bridget Prentice, Mr David Jamieson: 276.

Another Amendment (No. 81) proposed, in page 26, line 6, at the end, to insert the words—

‘(2A) No such payment as is mentioned in subsection (2) shall be made in respect of any financial year unless prior to the commencement of that financial year—

(a) the Scottish Executive has submitted to the Secretary of State a report containing the Executive's detailed expenditure plans for the financial year in question, and—

(b) the Secretary of State has laid the report before the House of Commons at least ten sitting days before any motion is made in that House for the approval of a grant of Supply authorising the payment.'.—(Mr Tam Dalyell.)

Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

It being a quarter to Nine o'clock, the Chairman, pursuant to Order [13th January] and Resolution [10th February], put the Questions necessary to dispose of remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 61 and 62.

Clause (No. 61) agreed to.

Clause No. 62 agreed to.

Clause No. 63 (Borrowing by the Scottish Ministers, etc.).

Amendment (No. 298) proposed, in page 26, line 37, after ‘(1)', to insert the words ‘Subject to the approval of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,'.—(Mr Bernard Jenkin.)

Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clause agreed to.

Clauses Nos. 64 to 66 agreed to.

Clause No. 67 (Existing debt).

Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill;

And it being Ten o'clock, the Chairman put the Questions necessary to dispose of remaining proceedings on Clauses Nos. 67 and 68.

Clause (No. 67) agreed to.

Clause No. 68 agreed to.

And it being after Ten o'clock, the Chairman left the Chair to report progress and to ask leave to sit again.


The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr John McFall reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill, and moved, That the Committee may have leave to sit again.

Committee again to-morrow.

5Dangerous Drugs,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Modification) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

6Rating and Valuation,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Valuation and Rating (Exempted Classes) (Scotland) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th January, be approved—(Mr John McFall):—It was agreed to.

7Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr John McFall.)

And the Motion having been made after Ten o'oclock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to Standing Order, it being then twenty-nine minutes to Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 10.31 p.m.


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APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1Northern Ireland,—Draft Appropriation (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

2Children and Young Persons,—Children (Protection at Work) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 276), dated 12th February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dobson].

3Customs and Excise,—Dual-Use and Related Goods (Export Control) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 272), dated 11th February 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

4Merchant Shipping,—Merchant Shipping (Compulsory Insurance: Ships Receiving Trans-shipped Fish) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 209), dated 3rd February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

Other Papers:

5Criminal Injuries Compensation,—Annual Report and Accounts of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Appeals Panel for 1996–97, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Cm. 3840] [Mr Secretary Straw].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

1Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee on 12th February [Audio–Visual Communications and the Regulation of Broadcasting]; to be printed [No. 520–iii] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

2Foreign Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Entry Clearance Sub-Committee of the Foreign Affairs Committee on 12th February [Entry clearance procedures in overseas Posts (with particular reference to Islamabad and New Delhi) and related matters]; to be printed [No. 515–ii] [Mr Donald Anderson].

3International Development,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee on 12th February [Renegotiation of the Lome" Convention]; to be printed [No. 365–viii]; and

(2) Memorandum laid before the International Development Committee [Montserrat]; to be printed [No. 555]

[Mr Bowen Wells].


[No. 119.]

Friday 13th February 1998.

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Employment of Children Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Employment of Children Bill;

And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;

The Motion was, with leave of the House, withdrawn.

Bill withdrawn.

2Police Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Police Bill;

And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time.

And it being half-past Two o'clock, the Debate stood adjourned.

Ordered, That the Debate be resumed on Friday 6th March.

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3Elections (Visually Impaired Voters) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Elections (Visually Impaired Voters) Bill;

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 13th March.

4National Health Service (Equity of Funding) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the National Health Service (Equity of Funding) Bill;

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 3rd July.

5Companies (Millennium Computer Compliance) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Companies (Millennium Computer Compliance) Bill;

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 6th March.

6Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill,—The Order of the Day being read, for the Second Reading of the Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill;

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 6th March.

7Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for consideration of the Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) Bill [Lords], as amended in the Committee;

Ordered, That the Bill, as amended, be considered on Friday 20th March.

8Employment (Age Discrimination in Advertisements) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for resuming the adjourned Debate on the Question proposed [6th February], That the Employment (Age Discrimination in Advertisements) Bill be now read a second time;

Ordered, That the Debate be resumed on Friday 3rd July.

9Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons (Amendment) Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons (Amendment) Bill [Lords],

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 13th March.

10Community Care (Residential Accommodation) Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Third Reading of the Community Care (Residential Accommodation) Bill;

Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Friday 20th March.

11Reform of Quarantine Regulations Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Reform of Quarantine Regulations Bill,

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Friday 6th March,

12Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do so now adjourn.—(Mr Jim Dowd.)

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till two minutes past Three o'clock, adjourned till Monday 16th February.

[Adjourned at 3.02 p.m.


APPENDIX

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1Housing,—Housing (Change of Landlord) (Payment of Disposal Cost by Instalments) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 265), dated 7th February 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies].

Other Papers:

2Treaty Series (No. 12, 1998),—Convention, done at Espoo, Finland, on 25th February 1991, on Environmental Impact Assessment in a Transboundary Context [by Command] [Cm. 3879] [Mr Secretary Cook].


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