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[No. 234.]

Monday 9th November 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Bodmin Moor Commons Bill [Lords],—The Order for consideration of the Bodmin Moor Commons Bill [Lords] on Wednesday was read and discharged.

2Royal Assent,—The Speaker notified the House, in accordance with the Royal Assent Act 1967, That Her Majesty had signified Her Royal Assent to the following Acts, agreed upon by both Houses:

Competition Act 1998

Human Rights Act 1998.

3Adjournment (Funding of Political Parties in the United Kingdom),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr David Clelland);

And it being Ten o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put.

4Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That at this day's sitting, the Statute Law Repeals Bill [Lords] may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Mr Mike Hall):—It was agreed to.

5Statute Law Repeals Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Statute Law Repeals Bill [Lords];

And a Motion being made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 58 (Consolidation bills), That the Bill be now read a second time:—It was agreed to.

The Bill was accordingly read a second time.

And a Motion being made, and the Question being put forthwith, That the Bill be not committed—(Mr Mike Hall ):—It was agreed to.

And a Motion being made, and the Question being put forthwith, That the Bill be now read the third time:—It was agreed to.

The Bill was accordingly read the third time, and passed, without Amendment.

6Education,—Ordered, That the Education (Infant Class Sizes) (England) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1973), be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr Mike Hall.)

7Social Security,—Ordered, That the Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2211) be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr Mike Hall.)

8Social Security,—Ordered, That the Social Security (Welfare to Work) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2231) be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr Mike Hall.)

9Disabled Persons,—Ordered, That the Disability Discrimination (Exemption for Small Employers) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2618), be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr Mike Hall.)

10Catering,—Ordered, That Mr Thomas Graham be discharged from the Catering Committee and Rosemary McKenna be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

11Education and Employment,—Ordered, That Ms Margaret Hodge and Mr Gerry Steinberg be discharged from the Education and Employment Committee and Mr Gordon Marsden and Mr Malcolm Wicks be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

12Home Affairs,—Ordered, That Mr Ross Cranston and Ms Beverley Hughes be discharged from the Home Affairs Committee and Miss Melanie Johnson and Mr Paul Stinchcombe be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

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13Information,—Ordered, That Mr John Whittingdale be discharged from the Information Committee and Mr Tim Collins be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

14Northern Ireland Affairs,—Ordered, That Mr Desmond Browne be discharged from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee and Mr Stephen McCabe be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

15Social Security,—Ordered, That Mr Paul Goggins, Ms Patricia Hewitt, Mr Frank Roy, Ms Gisela Stuart and Mr Malcolm Wicks be discharged from the Social Security Committee and Mr Vernon Coaker, Mr Andrew Dismore, Mr Michael Foster (Hastings and Rye), Mrs Joan Humble and Kali Mountford be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

16Trade and Industry,—Ordered, That Gillian Merron be discharged from the Trade and Industry Committee and Helen Southworth be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

17Treasury,—Ordered, That Mr Charles Clarke and Ms Ruth Kelly be discharged from the Treasury Committee and Dr Lewis Moonie and Jacqui Smith be added to the Committee.—(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

18Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, that this House do now adjourn—(Mr Mike Hall);

The Speaker suspended the sitting until a Message was received from the Lords relating to the Scotland Bill, pursuant to Order [5th November].

19Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

The Lords have agreed to the Scotland Bill, with Amendments; to which the Lords desire the concurrence of this House.

20Scotland Bill,—Lords Amendments to the Scotland Bill to be considered to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 256].

21Adjournment,—Question, That this House do now adjourn, put and agreed to.

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till sixteen minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 10.44 p.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 6th November 1998 (Non-sitting Friday, pursuant to Order [22nd October]) pursuant to Standing Order No. 158 (Presentation of command papers):

1Treaty Series (No. 51, 1998),—Agreement, done at Hong Kong on 5th November 1997, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China for the Transfer of Sentenced Persons [Cm. 4099] [Mr Secretary Cook].

Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 6th November 1998 (Non-sitting Friday, pursuant to Order [22nd October]) pursuant to Standing Order No. 159 (Presentation of statutory instruments):

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

2Legal Aid and Advice,—Legal Advice and Assistance (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2727), dated 4th November 1998 [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].

3Seeds,—Seeds (National Lists of Varieties) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2726), dated 6th November 1998 [Mr Nicholas Brown].

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Papers presented or laid upon the Table on Monday 9th November 1998:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

4Income Tax,—Draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Ireland) Order 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

Other Papers:

5Compliance Cost Assessments,—List of Compliance Cost Assessments for 1st January 1998 to 30th June 1998 [by Command] [Cm. 4091] [Dr Jack Cunningham].

6House of Commons Commission,—Report of the House of Commons Commission on the nomination of a Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards; to be printed [No. 1143] [The Speaker].

7Science and Technology,—Report of the Natural Environment Research Council for 1997–98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

8Statistics of Trade,—Production and Construction Inquiries: Summary Volume 1996 [by Act] [Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

 Draft Local Elections (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Order 1998 and the draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Regulations 1998:

The Speaker has appointed Mr Peter Atkinson Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order and draft Regulations, in place of Mrs Ray Michie.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

Treasury,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee on 9th November [The World Economy and the Pre-Budget Report]; to be printed [No. 1105-vi] [Mr Giles Radice].


[No. 235.]

Tuesday 10th November 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Peter Atkinson reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Local Elections (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Order 1998 and the draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Regulations 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

2Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) (Amendment),—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) Act 1998 to require the Secretary of State to produce a report on reducing traffic levels to below 1997 levels by 2002: And that Mr Tom Brake, Mr Cynog Dafis, Mr Jeremy Corbyn, Mr Peter Bottomley, Mr Matthew Taylor, Mr Norman Baker and Mr Andrew Stunell do prepare and bring it in.

3Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) (Amendment) Bill,—Mr Tom Brake accordingly presented a Bill to amend the Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) Act 1998 to require the Secretary of State to produce a report on reducing traffic levels to below 1997 levels by 2002: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 257].

4Factory Closures,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House is concerned about the continued spate of factory closures and job losses; condemns the Government's failure to take urgent action to give manufacturing a chance; believes that this Government's actions in increasing business taxes and regulation have made the position worse; asks the Government to explain how far they will go in implementing the

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  McKinsey Report on productivity; and urges the Government to change policy before more jobs are lost—(Mr John Redwood);

An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 1, to leave out from the word ‘House' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘recognises that the last thing business wants is a return to the boom and bust policies of the past, with interest rates of 15 per cent., inflation above 10 per cent. and a budget deficit averaging £41 billion a year from 1992 to 1996; welcomes the Government's decisive action in taking politics out of interest rate decisions, a move which the Opposition clearly does not support; notes that employment is currently 400,000 higher than it was when the Government came into office, and that long-term interest rates are at their lowest for 35 years; welcomes the measures that the Government has taken to encourage enterprise, investment and innovation, and to help unemployed people into jobs; welcomes the McKinsey Report as an important contribution to the productivity debate and notes that, unlike its predecessor, this Government acted to increase competitive conditions through a new Competition Act; and condemns the Opposition for its own record in government, when manufacturing employment declined by 2 million and Britain went into deficit on manufacturing trade for the first time ever in peacetime', instead thereof.—(Mr Secretary Mandelson.)

And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question, pursuant to Order [5th November];

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Sir David Madel: 154.

Tellers for the Noes, Jane Kennedy, Mr David Jamieson: 323.

So the Question was negatived.

And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Order:—It was agreed to.

The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

Resolved, That this House recognises that the last thing business wants is a return to the boom and bust policies of the past, with interest rates of 15 per cent., inflation above 10 per cent. and a budget deficit averaging £41 billion a year from 1992 to 1996; welcomes the Government's decisive action in taking politics out of interest rate decisions, a move which the Opposition clearly does not support; notes that employment is currently 400,000 higher than it was when the Government came into office, and that long-term interest rates are at their lowest for 35 years; welcomes the measures that the Government has taken to encourage enterprise, investment and innovation, and to help unemployed people into jobs; welcomes the McKinsey Report as an important contribution to the productivity debate and notes that, unlike its predecessor, this Government acted to increase competitive conditions through a new Competition Act; and condemns the Opposition for its own record in government, when manufacturing employment declined by 2 million and Britain went into deficit on manufacturing trade for the first time ever in peacetime.

5European Parliamentary Elections Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Reasons for insisting on their Amendments disagreed to by the Commons.

The Lords Reason for insisting on their Amendments in page 2, line 1, page 2, line 2, page 2, line 15, and page 2, line 18, was read, as follows:

Because electors should be able to vote for the individual party candidate of their choice.

A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendments—(Mr Secretary Straw);

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Keith Hill, Mrs Anne McGuire: 307.

Tellers for the Noes, Sir David Madel, Mrs Caroline Spelman: 125.

So the Question was agreed to.

It being Ten o'clock, further consideration of the European Parliamentary Elections Bill stood adjourned.

6Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted Business), That, at this day's sitting, the European Parliamentary Elections Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Mr Mike Hall):—It was agreed to.

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7European Parliamentary Elections Bill,—The House again proceeded to consider the Lords Reasons for insisting on their Amendments disagreed to by the Commons.

An Amendment was proposed to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendments, in page 3, line 46, at the end to insert the words—

      ‘Review of electoral system—(1) The Secretary of State shall appoint one or more persons—

        (a) to review the operation of the system of election provided for by section 3 of the European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978 as substituted by section 1 of this Act, and

        (b) to make a report to the Secretary of State within six months from the day of appointment.

      (2) the Secretary of State shall carry out his duty under subsection (1) within one month from the date of the first general election to the European Parliament which takes place after the coming into force of section 1.

      (3) The Secretary of State shall lay a copy of any report received under subsection (1)(b) before each House of Parliament.—(Mr Mike Hall.)

And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made:—It was agreed to.

8Income Tax,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the Personal Equity Plan (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1869), dated 31st July 1998, a copy of which was laid before this House on 31st July, be annulled—(Mr Nick Gibb);

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Sir David Madel: 116.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 293.

So the Question was negatived.

9Agriculture,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Meat and Livestock Commission Levy (Variation) Scheme (Confirmation) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 21st July, be approved—(Mr David Hanson):—It was agreed to.

10Northern Ireland,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Local Government (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 21st July, be approved—(Mr David Hanson):—It was agreed to.

11Northern Ireland,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 23rd July, be approved—(Mr David Hanson):—It was agreed to.

12Social Action Programme (1998–2000),—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Community Document No. 8328/98, a Commission Communication on its proposed Social Action Programme for 1998–2000; supports the Government's view that the Programme rightly places jobs at the heart of its framework for action; and also supports the Government's intention to give due consideration to specific Commission proposals as they come forward—(Mr David Hanson):—It was agreed to.

13Forestry,—Ordered, That the Environmental Assessment (Forestry) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1731), dated 21st July 1998, a copy of which was laid before this House on 23rd July, be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr David Hanson.)

14Animals,—Ordered, That the Cattle Database Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1796), dated 20th July 1998, a copy of which was laid before this House on 27th July, be referred to a Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation.—(Mr David Hanson.)

15Public Petitions,—Public Petitions from—

(1) citizens of Coventry opposed to any reduction in National Health Service emergency facilities in the centre of the city; and

(2) the British Pensioners and Trade Union Action Association of Coventry in support of the welfare state

were presented; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

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16Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr David Hanson);

Wednesday 11th November 1998

And the Question being put;

Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till eight minutes past Twelve o'clock on Wednesday morning, adjourned till this day.

[Adjourned at 12.08 a.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1Education,—Education (Individual Pupils' Achievements) (Information) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2705), dated 30th October 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Michael].

2Friendly Societies,—Friendly Societies (Activities of a Subsidiary) (No. 2) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2696), dated 6th November 1998 [by Act] [Ms Patricia Hewitt].

Other Papers:

3Churches Conservation,—Report and Accounts of the Churches Conservation Trust for 1997–98 [by Measure] [Mr Secretary Smith].

4Environment,—Report and Accounts of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency for 1997–98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

1Education and Employment,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Employment Committee on 10th November [Opportunities for Disabled People]; to be printed [No. 1104-ii] [Mr Derek Foster].

2Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 10th November [Local Government Finance]; to be printed [No. 1126-ii] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].

3Foreign Affairs,—Part of the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee on 10th November [Sierra Leone]; to be printed [No. 1057-iii] [Mr Donald Anderson].

4Home Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee on 10th November [The Work of the Lord Chancellor's Department]; to be printed [No. 1145-i] [Mr Chris Mullin].

5International Development,—Eighth Special Report from the International Development Committee [Government Response to the Fifth Report from the Committee, on the 1998 Departmental Report]; to be printed [No. 1144] [Mr Bowen Wells].

6Public Administration,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Select Committee on Public Administration on 10th November [Annual Report of the Health Service Commissioner for 1997–98]; to be printed [No. 934-iii] [Mr Rhodri Morgan].

7Standards and Privileges,—Nineteenth Report from the Committee on Standards and Privileges [Retirement of the Parliamentary Commissioner], together with an Appendix (Memorandum by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards); to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1147] [Mr Robert Sheldon].

8Statutory Instruments,—Forty-seventh Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 33-xlvii] [Mr David Tredinnick].

9Trade and Industry,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee on 10th November [Strategic Export Controls]; to be printed [No. 1146-i] [Mr Martin O'Neill].

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10Welsh Affairs,—(1) Fourth Report from the Welsh Affairs Committee [Investment in Industry in Wales], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 821];

(2) Fourth Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Second Report from the Committee on the Present Crisis in the Welsh Livestock Industry]; to be printed [No. 1148]; and

(3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Investment in Industry in Wales]

[Mr Martyn Jones].


[No. 236.]

Wednesday 11th November 1998.

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr David Hanson);

And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.

2Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords];

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Tuesday 17th November.

3Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords],—Ordered, That the promoters of the Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords] shall have leave to suspend proceedings thereon in order to proceed with the Bill, if they think fit, in the next Session of Parliament, provided that the Agents for the Bill give notice to the Clerks in the Private Bill Office of their intention to suspend further proceedings not later than the day before the close of the present Session and that all Fees due on the Bill up to that date be paid;

That, if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the next Session, the Agents for the Bill shall deposit in the Private Bill Office a declaration signed by them, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill which was brought from the Lords in the present Session;

That, as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office, that such a declaration has been so deposited, has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first and shall be ordered to be read a second time;

That the Petition against the Bill presented in the present Session which stands referred to the Committee on the Bill shall stand referred to the Committee on the Bill in the next Session;

That no Petitioners shall be heard before the Committee on the Bill, unless their Petition has been presented within the time limited within the present Session or deposited pursuant to paragraph (b) of Standing Order 126 relating to Private Business;

That, in relation to the Bill, Standing Order 127 relating to Private Business shall have effect as if the words “under Standing Order 126 (Reference to committee of petitions against Bill)” were omitted;

That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session;

That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House.—(The Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.)

Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

4Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Andrew Welsh reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Legal Advice and Assistance (Scope) (Amendment) Regulations 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

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5Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Peter Atkinson reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Contracting Out (Functions in Relation to Insurance) Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

6European Standing Committee B,—Mr Roger Gale reported from European Standing Committee B the following Resolution:

That the Committee takes note of European Community Documents Nos. 7046/98, Commission Communication on the Establishment of a new Financial Perspective for the period 2000–2006; 7221/98, Commission report on the implementation of the Interinstitutional Agreement of 29th October 1993 on budgetary discipline and improvement of the budgetary procedure together with proposals for renewal; 9302/98, the European Court of Auditors Special Report No. 6/98 on the Court's assessment of the system of resources based on VAT and GNP; and 11666/98, Commission report on the operation of the Own Resources system; and supports the Government's efforts to maintain budget discipline in the Community and to ensure the fair financing of the EU, reflecting Member States' ability to pay.

Report, together with Resolution, to lie upon the Table.

7Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

The Lords have agreed to the Regional Development Agencies Bill, with Amendments; to which the Lords desire the concurrence of this House.

8Regional Development Agencies Bill,—Lords Amendments to the Regional Development Agencies Bill to be considered to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 259].

9Registration of Nannies,—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to extend local authority registers under the Children Act 1989 to cover nannies who look after children on domestic premises: And that Mr Keith Vaz, Mr David Taylor, Mr Martin Salter, Jackie Ballard, Mrs Helen Brinton, Ms Ruth Kelly, Caroline Flint, Ms Julie Morgan, Ms Jenny Jones, Mr Andrew Dismore, Mr David Kidney and Mrs Anne Campbell do prepare and bring it in.

10Registration of Nannies Bill,—Mr Keith Vaz accordingly presented a Bill to extend local authority registers under the Children Act 1989 to cover nannies who look after children on domestic premises: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 258].

11Scotland Bill (Programme),—Ordered, That the Order [13th January] relating to the Scotland Bill (Programme) be supplemented as follows—

Lords Amendments

1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall be completed in two allotted days and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill on the second allotted day.

2.—(1) The Lords Amendments shall be considered in the following order, namely: Nos. 215 to 220, 1 to 87, 125 to 129, 237 to 278, 88 to 124, 130 to 214, 221 to 236 and 279 to 302.

(2) The two allotted days shall be allotted in the manner shown in the Table set out below.

(3) Each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at the expiry of the period (calculated from the commencement of proceedings on the Bill) specified in the second column of the Table.

TABLE

Allotted dayLords AmendmentsAllotted period
First dayNos. 215 to 220 and 1 Nos. 2 to 22 Nos. 23 to 52 Nos. 53 to 87 Nos. 125 to 129 Nos. 237 to 2781 hour 30 minutes 2 hours 3 hours 30 minutes 4 hours 5 hours 30 minutes 6 hours 30 minutes
Second dayNos. 88 to 124, 130 to 214, 221 to 236 and 279 to 302 3 hours 30 minutes

3.—(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraphs 1 and 2.

(2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any Question already proposed from the Chair and not yet decided.

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(3) If that Question is for the amendment of a Lords Amendment the Speaker shall then put forthwith—

(a) the Question on any further amendment to the Lords Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown, and

(b) the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in the Amendment as amended.

(4) The Speaker shall then designate such of the remaining Lords Amendments as appear to the Speaker to involve questions of Privilege.

(5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith—

(a) the Question on any Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown to a Lords Amendment, and

(b) the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in the Amendment as amended.

(6) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House disagrees with the Lords in a Lords Amendment.

(7) The Speaker shall then put forthwith with respect to the Lords Amendments designated by the Speaker which have not been disposed of the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in those Amendments.

(8) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments.

(9) As soon as the House has agreed or disagreed with the Lords in any of their Amendments, or disposed of an Amendment relevant to a Lords Amendment which has been disagreed to, the Speaker shall put forthwith a separate Question on any other Amendment which is moved by a Minister of the Crown and relevant to the Lords Amendment.

(10) The Speaker shall put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the appointment of its Chairman.

(11) Proceedings under this paragraph shall not be interrupted under any Standing Order relating to the sittings of the House.

Supplemental

4. A Committee appointed to draw up Reasons shall report before the conclusion of the sitting at which it is appointed.

5. Standing Order No. 15(1) (Exempted business) shall apply to proceedings on Consideration of the Lords Amendments—

(a) on the first allotted day, for any part of the period of six and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill which falls after Ten o'clock, and

(b) on the second allotted day, for any part of the period of three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill which falls after Ten o'clock.—(Mr Graham Allen.)

12Scotland Bill (Lords Amendments) [1st allotted day],—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Scotland Bill.

Lords Amendment No. 215.

A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Secretary Dewar);

And one and a half hours having elapsed since the start of proceedings on the Lords Amendments this day, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question already proposed from the Chair.

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Jane Kennedy, Mr David Clelland: 303.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Nigel Waterson: 173.

So the Question was agreed to.

The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

The Deputy Speaker then put forthwith the remaining Questions necessary to dispose of the business required to be concluded at that hour.

Lords Amendment Nos. 216 to 220 were disagreed to.

Lords Amendment No. 1 was agreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 2 to 31 were agreed to.

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Lords Amendment No. 32.

A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Henry McLeish);

The House divided.

Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Hanson, Mr Greg Pope: 350.

Tellers for the Noes, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Tim Collins: 119.

So the Question was agreed to.

The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 33 and 34 were disagreed to.

An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill, in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 32 to 34 disagreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 35 to 87 and 125 to 127 were agreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 128 and 129 were disagreed to.

Amendments ((a), (b) and (c)) were made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 128 and 129 disagreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 237 to 278 were agreed to.

Ordered, That further consideration of the Lords Amendments be now adjourned.—(Mr Keith Hill.)

Lords Amendments to be further considered to-morrow.

13Northern Ireland,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Local Elections (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 19th October, be approved—(Mr Keith Hill):—It was agreed to.

14Representation of the People,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Representation of the People (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 19th October, be approved—(Mr Keith Hill):—It was agreed to.

15Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Keith Hill.)

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till seven minutes to Nine o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 8.53 p.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1Broadcasting,—Draft Broadcasting (Restrictions on the Holding of Licences) (Amendment) Order 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

2Education,—Education (School Government) (Transition to New Framework) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2763), dated 10th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

3Environmental Protection,—Groundwater Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2746), dated 6th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

4Pesticides,—Plant Protection Products (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2760), dated 10th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].

Other Papers:

5Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas,—Report of the Ancient Monuments Board for Wales for 1997–98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Michael].

6Bank of England,—Treasury Minute, dated 11th November 1998, directing a raising of the limit on the amount of the Bank of England's fiduciary note issue [by Act] [Ms Patricia Hewitt].

7European Communities (No. 5, 1998),—Convention, done at Brussels on 29th November 1996, on the Accession of the Republic of Austria, the Republic of Finland and the Kingdom of Sweden to the Convention on the Law Applicable to Contractual Obligations opened for Signature in Rome on 19th June 1980, and to the First and

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  Second Protocols on its Interpretation by the Court of Justice [by Command] [Cm. 4106] [Mr Secretary Cook].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1Disability Discrimination (Exemption for Small Employers) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2618):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Peter Bottomley, Mr Paul Burstow, Mr Harry Cohen, Ms Margaret Hodge, Mr David Jamieson, Mr David Kidney, Mr Martin Linton, Mr Tim Loughton, Mrs Theresa May, Laura Moffatt, Mr Mark Oaten, Mr Andrew Rowe, Joan Ryan, Mr Paul Truswell, Dr Alan Whitehead and Mr David Winnick.

2Draft Social Security (New Deal Pilot) Regulations 1998 and the draft Jobseeker's Allowance Amendment (New Deal) Regulations 1998:

(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mrs Ray Michie Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Nigel Beard, Ms Judith Church, Mr Tim Collins, Yvette Cooper, Mr John Cummings, Mr Quentin Davies, Mrs Janet Dean, Mr Nigel Griffiths, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Paul Keetch, Miss Julie Kirkbride, Dr Julian Lewis, Mr Chris Pond, Joan Ryan, Mr Andrew Smith and Steve Webb.

3Draft Civil Procedure (Modification of Enactments) Order 1998:

(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mrs Marion Roe Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Harry Barnes, Mr John Burnett, Mr Keith Darvill, Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Mr Edward Garnier, Mr Nick Hawkins, Mr Stephen Hesford, Mr Keith Hill, Mr Geoffrey Hoon, Mr Elfyn Llwyd, Mr David Lock, Mr John McDonnell, Ms Joan Ruddock, Mr David Ruffley, Mr Phil Sawford and Mr John M. Taylor.

4Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2211):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mrs Irene Adams Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Julian Brazier, Dr Vincent Cable, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Howard Flight, Mr Paul Goggins, Mrs Teresa Gorman, Mr Ivan Henderson, Mr Kevin Hughes, Judy Mallaber, Mr Andrew Miller, Mr Eric Pickles, Mr Stephen Pound, Angela Smith, Ms Gisela Stuart, Mr Stephen Timms and Mr Phil Woolas.

5Draft Education (Grammar School Ballots) Regulations 1998:

(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr John Bercow, Mr Graham Brady, Mr Ivor Caplin, Mr Roger Casale, Mr Geraint Davies, Mrs Llin Golding, Mr Damian Green, Ms Beverley Hughes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Paul Keetch, Estelle Morris, Dan Norris, Mr Jonathan R. Shaw, Rachel Squire, Mr Robert Syms and Mr Phil Willis.

6Draft Parliamentary Constituencies (England) (Miscellaneous Changes) Order 1998:

(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr John McWilliam Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Tom Brake, Mr David Chaytor, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Christopher Fraser, Mr John Greenway, Mr Mike Hall, Mr Nick Hawkins, Mr George Howarth, Mrs Tess Kingham, Mr David Lepper, Mr Gordon Marsden, Mr Austin Mitchell, Mr Kerry Pollard, Miss Geraldine Smith, Paddy Tipping and Mr Nigel Waterson.

7Social Security (Welfare to Work) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2231):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Barry Jones Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mrs Helen Brinton, Mr Paul Burstow, Mr Tony Clarke, Mr Tim Collins, Mr Paul Goggins, Jane Griffiths, Mr Kevin Hughes, Ms Melanie Johnson, Ms Jenny

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Jones, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Edward Leigh, Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Eric Pickles, Mr Stephen Timms, Mr Desmond Turner and Steve Webb.

8Education (Infant Class Sizes) (England) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1973):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Bowen Wells Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Caroline Flint, Mr Christopher Fraser, Mrs Linda Gilroy, Mr John Grogan, Mr John Hayes, Mr David Hinchliffe, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Martyn Jones, Mr Paul Keetch, Mr Tony McWalter, Mrs Theresa May, Estelle Morris, Rachel Squire, Mr Nick St. Aubyn, Dr George Turner and Mr Phil Willis.

9Environmental Assessment (Forestry) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1731):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Peter Atkinson Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Norman Baker, Mr Dennis Canavan, Mr Malcolm Chisholm, Mr Tam Dalyell, Mr George Galloway, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr Oliver Letwin, Mr Calum Macdonald, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Martin O'Neill, Mrs Sandra Osborne, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mr Ernie Ross, Mr Frank Roy, Mr Richard Shepherd and Sir Robert Smith.

10Cattle Database Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1796):

(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Joe Benton Chairman; and

(2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Ms Diane Abbott, Mr Clive Betts, Mrs Angela Browning, Mr Richard Burden, Mr Michael Colvin, Mr Huw Edwards, Mr Andrew George, Helen Jones, Mr Richard Livsey, Mr David Prior, Mr Allan Rogers, Mr Jeff Rooker, Mr Dennis Skinner, Mr Llew Smith, Mrs Caroline Spelman and Derek Wyatt.

European Standing Committees

11The Speaker appointed Mr Peter Atkinson Chairman of European Standing Committee A in respect of European Community Document No. 9597/98, relating to Agrimonetary Arrangements and the Introduction of the Euro.

12The Speaker appointed Mr John Butterfill Chairman of European Standing Committee B in respect of European Community Document No. 9690/98, relating to European Community Development Aid to South Africa.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

1Education and Employment,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education Sub-Committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 11th November [The work of OFSTED]; to be printed [No. 1127-ii] [Mr Malcolm Wicks].

2Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 11th November [Integrated Transport White Paper]; to be printed [No. 1141-i]; and

(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on 11th November [Maritime and Coastguard Agency]; to be printed [No. 1149-i]

[Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

3European Legislation,—(1) Fortieth Report from the Select Committee on European Legislation; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 155-xl]; and

(2) Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 8th July; to be printed [No. 1150]

[Mr Jimmy Hood].

4Northern Ireland Affairs,—Fourth Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Prison Service in Northern Ireland], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 716] [Mr Peter Brooke].

5Science and Technology,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee on 11th November [Engineering and Physical Sciences Based Innovation]; to be printed [No. 627-vii] [Dr Michael Clark].


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[No. 237.]

Thursday 12th November 1998.

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr John Butterfill reported from the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Channel 4 (Application of Excess Revenues) Order 1998.

Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

2Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

The Lords have agreed to the Waste Minimisation Bill, without Amendment.

The Lords insist on their Amendments to the European Parliamentary Elections Bill to which the Commons have disagreed, and disagree to the Amendment proposed by the Commons in lieu thereof, for which insistence they assign their Reason.

3European Parliamentary Elections Bill,—Lords Reason for insisting on their Amendments to which the Commons have disagreed and for disagreeing to the Commons Amendment in lieu to the European Parliamentary Elections Bill to be considered to-morrow; and to be printed [Bill 260].

4Liaison,—Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Liaison Committee on 5th November be printed [No. 1152].

5Adjournment (The Royal Navy),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr Graham Allen);

The Motion was, with the leave of the House, withdrawn.

6Public Petitions,—A Public Petition for the Bricket Wood Residents' Association relating to traffic in Bricket Wood was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

7Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr Graham Allen);

And it being Ten o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put.

8Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Graham Allen.)

And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-seven minutes past Ten o'clock, adjourned till Monday 16th November, pursuant to Order [22nd October].

[Adjourned at 10.27 p.m.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1Northern Ireland,—Draft Rates (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].

2Value Added Tax,—Value Added Tax (Input Tax) (Amendment) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2767), dated 12th November 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

3Contracts,—Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Rate of Interest) (No. 2) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2765), dated 12th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

4Video Recordings,—Proposal by the Home Secretary for the designation of Lord Taylor of Warwick and Janet Lewis Jones as authorities to determine the suitability of video works for classification [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].

Other Papers:

5Appropriations in Aid,—Treasury Minute, dated 12th November 1998, directing the application of certain receipts as appropriations in aid of the Votes specified in the Winter Supplementary Estimates for 1998–99 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

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6Defence (Votes A), 1998–99,—Supplementary Estimates of the maximum numbers of personnel to be maintained for service with the Armed Forces for 1998–99 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 1132] [Mr Secretary Robertson].

7Environmental Protection,—Code of Practice on Litter and Refuse [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

8European Union,—Paper, entitled The Scrutiny of European Union Business [by Command] [Cm. 4095] [Margaret Beckett].

9Science and Technology,—Report of the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council for 1997–98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].

10Supply Estimates, 1998–99,—(1) Winter Supplementary Estimates for 1998–99 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 857] [Dawn Primarolo]; and

(2) Winter Supplementary Estimate (Class XVIII, A, House of Commons) for 1998–99 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 1133] [The Speaker].

11Supply Estimates, 1999–00,—(1) Estimates (Classes I-XVIII), for which a Vote on Account is required for 1999–00 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 1134] [Dawn Primarolo];

(2) Estimates for the House of Commons Commission (Class XVIII, A) for which a Vote on Account is required for 1999–00 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 1135] [The Speaker]; and

(3) Estimates for the National Audit Office (Class XVIII, B, Vote 1), for which a Vote on Account is required for 1999–00 [by Command]; to be printed [No. 1136] [Mr Robert Sheldon].

12Voluntary Sector,—Paper, entitled Compact—Getting it Right Together, on Relations between Government and the Voluntary and Community Sector in England [by Command] [Cm. 4100] [Mr Secretary Straw].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1Draft Civil Procedure (Modification of Enactments) Order 1998,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Harry Barnes and Mr Stephen Hesford from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr Roger Berry and Mr Bill Etherington.

2Draft Education (Grammar School Ballots) Regulations 1998,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Ivor Caplin and Mr Roger Casale from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Andrew Dismore and Mr Win Griffiths.

3Draft Parliamentary Constituencies (England) (Miscellaneous Changes) Order 1998,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr David Lepper and Mr Gordon Marsden from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Ms Karen Buck and Mr Peter Snape.

4Education (Infant Class Sizes) (England) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1973),—The Committee of Selection has discharged Caroline Flint and Mr John Grogan from the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Valerie Davey and Mr Eric Illsley.

5Cattle Database Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1796),—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Allan Rogers from the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Gordon Prentice.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

1Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee on 12th November [The Heritage Lottery Fund]; to be printed [No. 968-iv] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

2Health,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Health Committee on 12th November [Primary Care Groups]; to be printed [No. 1151] [Mr David Hinchliffe].

3Treasury,—Ninth Report from the Treasury Committee [The Mis-selling of Personal Pensions], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 712] [Mr Giles Radice].


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