Select Committee on Foreign Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Letter to the Chairman of the Committee from Sir John Kerr KCMG,
Permanent Under Secretary, FCO, 14 May 1998

  Following your Committee's hearing this morning, I have checked my memory of the briefing pack prepared for Mr Lloyd's use in the debate on 12 March. It mentions reports about a possible deal by President Kabbah for Sandline's services. But it does not mention arms shipments; and, as I thought, it does not say that one such report had already been passed to Customs and Excise.

Letter from the Chairman of the Committee to Sir John Kerr KCMG,
Permanent Under Secretary, FCO, 21 May 1998

  At its meeting today, the Committee gave further consideration to the evidence you gave on 14 May. At the end of that session, I indicated to you that we might want to take further evidence from you on this matter. The Committee has now decided to do so.

  The Legg inquiry will of course cover issues related specifically to the allegations of supplies of arms to Sierra Leone. Our own further inquiries will focus instead on organisational matters within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and related interdepartmental matters. The Committee will wish to cover four specific areas:

    (a)  the operation of the Restrictive Enforcement Unit (REU) and co-ordination between the FCO representatives on the Unit and the rest of the FCO;

    (b)  the arrangements within the department for briefing Ministers on developments;

    (c)  the arrangements for the briefing of Ministers by the FCO on intelligence matters; and

    (d)  the policy on availability of mobile secure communications systems (with particular reference to the apparent lack of such facilities in Conakry for use by Mr Penfold.)

  The Committee would expect to take evidence in private on the two latter points. I should like to suggest that we hold this session on the morning of Tuesday 9 June.

  The Committee also recalled today that on 14 May you gave a number of undertakings to provide further information on matters raised by Members. I should be grateful if you could supply all this information in good time before the next evidence session so the Committee can study it and reflect on whether it wishes to pursue any of these matters further in the light of your response. You already have the transcript; the Clerk will be pleased to advise your office further on this point if necessary.

  The Committee would also like two further notes submitted before your next appearance. The first is a note setting out the procedures, mechanics and criteria employed for both the consideration of applications for arms export licences and for consideration of reported or suspected breaches of arms export licences and, where relevant legislation enforcing UN sanctions. The second is a note setting out, for each of the last three years by quarter:

    (a)  the total number of new referrals to the REU;

    (b)  of those new referrals, the number made by the FCO;

    (c)  of the new referrals in each quarter, the number made by or on behalf of or otherwise originating with the FCO that related to:

      (i)  arms exports

      (ii)  breaches of UK legislation enforcing an arms embargo, specifying in each case the embargo concerned.

  I should be grateful if these notes, too, could be received in good time before the evidence session.

Letter to the Chairman of the Committee from Sir John Kerr KCMG, 4 June 1998

  Thank you for your letter of 21 May. The Secretary of State has agreed that I should give evidence to the Committee on 9 July, as you asked. I shall be accompanied by Mr Francis Richards (Deputy Under-Secretary), Mr Roland Smith (Director for International Security), and Mr Roy Dibble (Director, General Services).

  You will be aware that, given Sir Thomas Legg's terms of reference, there is some potential overlap between his independent investigation and the Committee's inquiries about organisational matters in the FCO and related inter-Departmental questions. In his view, and in mine, it would be wrong, while he is examining all the evidence and seeing witnesses, to pre-empt, and so risk prejudicing, his investigation. I shall therefore be unable to respond substantively to questions falling within his remit. However, based on the approach described in your letter, I hope it should be possible to keep such overlap to a minimum.

  I enclose four memoranda.[1] The first sets out further information requested by Members of the Committee at the session on 14 May (I have already returned the relevant transcript with my manuscript correction of misprints). The second responds to Mr Wilshire's request for a breakdown of the global figure for military training given on page 4 of the 1998 Departmental Report, together with details of United Kingdom Military Training and Assistance Scheme expenditure, country by country, since FY 1992-93. The last two are the further notes, one on Arms Export Licensing procedures, and one on the Restricted Enforcement Unit, for which you asked on 21 May.


1   See Ev. p. 27. Back


 
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