PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE
RELATING TO THE REPORT
WEDNESDAY 30 JULY 1997
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Mr Chris Pond
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| Mr Nick Gibb
| Ms Gisela Stuart
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| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Mr Malcolm Wicks
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| Miss Julie Kirkbride
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The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That Strangers
be admitted during the examination of witnesses, unless the Committee
otherwise orders.--(The Chairman.)
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Resolved,
That the Committee do inquire into the interaction and possible
integration of the tax and benefits systems, with the following
terms of reference:
to analyse the difficulties
with the current tax\benefit arrangements;
to examine how greater
integration of the tax and benefit systems might affect work incentives
for claimants and family structures and to assess the net impact
on public spending and resources;
to examine whether a
more streamlined and integrated system would bring administrative
and efficiency advantages to claimants, taxpayers and staff;
to examine the underlying
principles of taxation and benefit; whether the assessment unit
should be the individual, a couple or wider household; the question
of control and transfer of money within households; the nature
of support by the tax and benefit system for families and children;
to ascertain what useful
lessons can be learned about tax and benefits from the experiences
of other countries;
to contribute to discussion
of the issues currently being considered by the Task Force under
Mr Martin Taylor.--(The Chairman.)
Resolved,
That the Committee do visit the USA in connection with its inquiry
into the interaction and possible integration of the tax and benefits
systems.--(The Chairman.)
Ordered,
That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee
for expenditure in connection with the said visit in the current
financial year.
[Adjourned till a date and time
to be fixed by the Chairman.
THURSDAY 23 OCTOBER 1997
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Siobhain McDonagh
|
| Mr Nick Gibb
| Mr Chris Pond
|
| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Mr Frank Roy
|
| Miss Julie Kirkbride
| Ms Gisela Stuart
|
| Mr Edward Leigh
| Mr Malcolm Wicks
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The Committee deliberated.
Ordered,
That Mr Christopher Giles be appointed a Specialist Adviser to
assist the Committee for the duration of its inquiry into tax
and benefits.--(The Chairman.)
Ordered,
That the Unemployment Unit be granted permission to publish its
evidence to the Committee on tax and benefits (TAB 11) in accordance
with the provisions of Standing Order No. 135(1).--(The Chairman.)
The Committee further deliberated.
Mr Chris Kelly, Head of
Policy Group, Mr Robert Devereux, Policy Manager, Family Support
Branch, and Mr Terry Moran, Assistant Head, Benefits Management
Branch, Benefits Agency, Department of Social Security, examined.
The Committee further deliberated.
[Adjourned till Wednesday
29 October at half-past ten o'clock.
WEDNESDAY 29 OCTOBER
1997
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Siobhain McDonagh
|
| Mr Nick Gibb
| Mr Chris Pond
|
| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Mr Frank Roy
|
| Miss Julie Kirkbride
| Ms Gisela Stuart
|
| Mr Edward Leigh
| Mr Malcolm Wicks
|
The Committee deliberated.
Professor Patrick Minford
and Professor David Piachaud examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 November
at half-past Ten o'clock.
WEDNESDAY 5 NOVEMBER
1997
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Siobhain McDonagh
|
| Mr Nick Gibb
| Mr Chris Pond
|
| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Mr Frank Roy
|
| Miss Julie Kirkbride
| Ms Gisela Stuart
|
| Mr Edward Leigh
| Mr Malcolm Wicks
|
The Committee deliberated.
Ms Pamela Meadows, Policy
Studies Institute, Mr Paul Johnson, Institute for Fiscal Studies,
and Ms Patricia Morgan examined.
Ms Sally Witcher, Child
Poverty Action Group, Ms Bharti Patel, Low Pay Unit, and Ms Janet
Allbeson, National Association of Citizens Advice Bureaux, examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 12
November at half-past Ten o'clock.
WEDNESDAY 12 NOVEMBER
1997
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Mr Chris Pond
|
| Mr Nick Gibb
| Mr Frank Roy
|
| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Ms Gisela Stuart
|
| Miss Julie Kirkbride
| Mr Malcolm Wicks
|
| Mr Edward Leigh
| |
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 19
November at half-past Ten o'clock
WEDNESDAY 19 NOVEMBER
1996
Members present:
Mr Archy Kirkwood, in
the Chair
| Ms Karen Buck
| Mr Edward Leigh
|
| Mr Nick Gibb
| Mr Chris Pond
|
| Ms Patricia Hewitt
| Ms Gisela Stuart
|
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Tax and Benefits:
An Interim Report), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and
read.
Paragraphs 1 to 3 read,
amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 4 read and
agreed to.
Paragraphs 5 and 6 read,
amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 7 read and
agreed to.
Paragraph 8 read, amended
and agreed to.
Paragraphs 9 and 10
read and agreed to.
Paragraphs 11 to 13
read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 14 read, divided,
amended and agreed to (now paragraphs 14 and 15).
Paragraph 15 (now paragraph
16) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 16 (now paragraph
17) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 17 to 22
(now paragraphs 18 to 23) read and agreed to.
Paragraphs 23 to 25
(now paragraphs 24 to 26) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 26 to 29
(now paragraphs 27 to 30) read and agreed to.
A paragraph --(Mr Edward
Leigh)--brought up, read the first and second time, and inserted
(now paragraph 31).
Paragraphs 30 and 31
(now paragraphs 32 and 33) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 32 (now paragraph
34) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 33 to 38
(now paragraphs 35 to 40) read and agreed to.
Paragraphs 39 and 40
(now paragraph 41 and 42) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 41 to 44
(now paragraphs 43 to 46) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 45 (now paragraph
47) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 46 to 65
(now paragraphs 48 to 67) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 66 (now paragraph
68) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 67 to 78
(now paragraphs 69 to 80) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 79 (now paragraph
81) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 80 to 89
(now paragraphs 82 to 91) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 90 (now paragraph
92) read, amended and agreed to.
Resolved,
That the Report, as amended, be the First Report of the Committee
to the House.
Ordered,
That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Ordered,
That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees
(reports)) be applied to the Report.
Several papers were ordered
to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.
Ordered,
That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the
Committee be reported to the House.
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