Select Committee on Social Security Minutes of Evidence



2. THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK—CLAUSES 1 AND 3, CLAUSE 27 AND SCHEDULE 1

2.1 Pension sharing orders: England and Wales

  Retrospection

  We do agree that retrospection would be damaging.

  Prescribed forms

  We recommend that as much standardisation as possible be introduced by using prescribed forms. We hope that the only variables, other than identifying details of the parties and the pension arrangement concerned, will be the amount or percentage that is to be split. Presumably there will be a separate form or order for each pension arrangement to be shared, because the amount/percentage may well be different. We see from your explanatory notes that there is to be a prescribed form in Scotland (Chapter 4, paragraph 12) but they are silent on the point in relation to England and Wales (Chapter 3, paragraph 15).

  On a similar topic, experience has shown that there is a need for prescribed forms for earmarking as well. Perhaps they could be partially completed by the pension arrangement concerned, so that it can identify the options available under its own benefit structure. The APL would be happy to offer any assistance that may be required in drafting such forms.

  Multiple orders

  The legislation is unclear on the subject of multiple pension sharing orders, specially where those orders may be made at different dates and, possibly, in relation to different marriages of the same couple. We would have expected that there could be two orders in relation to the same scheme and the same marriage, if both parties were members of the same scheme (although no doubt it would be more usual for there to be just one order, netting off the difference between the parties' rights). We would also have expected that an order could be made in relation to a scheme notwithstanding the fact that the same couple may have been previously married and divorced and therefore have a previous order against that scheme. It would be helpful if you could clarify the scope for multiple sharing or earmarking orders to be made. We comment in more detail on appeals and replacement orders below.

2.2 Some specific queries

  England and Wales

  Presumably a pension arrangement positioned outside the jurisdiction of England and Wales can be the subject of a pension sharing order under the MCA. It is jurisdictionally possible to obtain property adjustment orders in relation to property which is situated outside the jurisdiction of England and Wales, and the treatment of pension rights should be consistent. Where a pension scheme covers employees in all parts of the UK there may be doubt as to whether trustees can, or are obliged to, comply with a "cross-border" orders. Could the legislation please make it clear that a scheme established in England and Wales can comply with an order made in a Scottish or Northern Ireland divorce, and vice versa?

  Paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 1

  We note that it will no longer be possible for an applicant for financial relief to obtain a variation of a marriage settlement in relation to a pension arrangement (the Brooks -type order). We feel that this is probably the right approach, because of the lack of clarity about the ambit of this jurisdiction. The combination of the earmarking and sharing provisions should render the Brooks expedient unnecessary. However, Brooks orders do not involve shadow Inland Revenue limits for the member and so they do allow for the member to rebuild his or her rights.

  Paragraph 2(4)

  Why does the definition of "pension arrangement" differ from the definition of "pension arrangement" which, pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(4), will feature at MCA s.25D(3)?

  Paragraph 3

  It is noted that pursuant to s.24C(1), there will be no scope for a pension sharing order to take effect before a divorce order in one of those exceptional circumstances which, by contrast, will be applicable in relation to a property adjustment order pursuant to MCA s.23B(1). We welcome this approach, even if it may mean there is inconsistency of treatment as between pensions and other assets. Pension schemes usually (although not always) provide generous spouse's benefits if the member dies while married, and to split the rights in advance of divorce would result in much more complexity because these spouse's rights would have to be taken away.

  S.24C(6) says that the Court is prevented from making a pension sharing order where the pension arrangement concerned is the subject of any earmarking order in relation to the marriage. Presumably an earmarking order from a previous marriage of the same couple would survive, and would not preclude the making of a sharing order on the current divorce.

  Is it intended that a sharing order could have effect a few years after the divorce, where there is to be maintenance for a limited period followed by a clean break? If so, we would have thought there might be an earmarking order just in relation to the lump sum death benefit in the meantime. We believe pension schemes could operate earmarking of a lump sum death benefit alongside a pension share even after the share has been implemented, as long as it is clear how the debit will affect the benefits payable on death in service (which is not clear at the moment).

  Paragraph 6

  It does appear to be possible for there to be a second pension sharing order made in relation to the same arrangement in the circumstances envisaged by the new variation jurisdiction provided for by MCA s.31(7B)(ba). Pursuant to s.31(7G), the first pension sharing order would first have to be discharged. Presumably the mechanism for the discharge of a pension sharing order is under s.31 of the MCA.

  It is questionable whether the persons responsible for a pension arrangement would be able to unscramble a pension sharing order on its discharge, and substitute a different one. We expect that schemes could live with an internal transfer made following the first pension sharing order; and, following its discharge, subsequently an internal or external transfer following a second pension sharing order made upon a variation application. (Would the scheme be putting the parties back in the position they would have been in if the order had never been made, or would the conversion back be on the same terms as would apply to the creation of a pension debit and credit at the time the order is discharged?) However a second order could not be implemented if an external transfer had already been implemented, or if benefits had come into payment, under the first order (the circumstances set out in the new s.40A(2)).

2.3 Separation

  It seems anomalous that although a spouse will be able to obtain an earmarking order in the context of a separation order under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 ("MCA") s.25B and C, pension sharing orders will not be available. It is possible to envisage financial prejudice to a spouse who wishes to obtain a separation rather than a divorce order.

2.4 Stays and appeals

  Appeals

  The effect of s.40A, inserted by paragraph 9 of Schedule 1, limits the scope of a pension sharing order where an appeal has begun (is this meant to mean that Notice of Appeal has been served?) after the pension sharing order takes effect. We comment below about the timing of implementing the order. We believe a party may apply for leave to appeal out of time, for example where there has been a fraud or misrepresentation by a party leading up to a financial order, or where there has been a dramatic change of circumstance within a short time of the financial order. In such cases the Court may not set aside the order if the circumstances set out in s.40A(2) apply.

  The inter-relation between s.40A(2) and (3) on the one hand and s.40A(4) on the other hand is not entirely clear. S. 40A(2) states that the Court may not set aside the order or reduce the percentage, in the circumstances recited. In such a case, the Court may make such order as it thinks fit for the purpose of putting the parties, as nearly as possible, in the positions they would have been in had the order not been made, or had a different percentage been specified. Could you clarify what kind of order the Court could make in these circumstances?

  It does not seem to be possible under the prospective legislation for a party to obtain a higher percentage pension share than that originally specified, which may be unjust where there has been fraud etc.

  It is not clear to us what would happen if either party died before the appeal is decided.

  Staying the order

  Pension arrangements will need to take care not to implement an order prematurely. The explanatory note on page 8 of Part 2 states that a pension sharing order will be stayed (and so shall not take effect) until 21 days after it is made, in order to allow time for the parties to appeal. The note also states that if an appeal is begun within that period the order will be further stayed until the appeal is disposed of.

  The following points arise:

    —  Will a member be able to request a transfer during the period of the stay, or retire or leave service? Presumably in some cases the order might be stayed for a long period and it needs to be clear whether, for example, time limits for paying transfer payments would be running against trustees.

    —  We cannot see provision for such stays in the Pension Sharing Bill itself.

    —  The 21 day period may be unduly short, in the case of an order made in the High Court, for which a period of four weeks is allowed for an appeal; there seems no good reason for the period of automatic stay to be less than the time provided for an appeal of a High Court Order.

  If either party dies while the order is stayed, it seems that Clause 10(2) will apply (death before implementation).

  Clause 3(1)(b) of the Bill

  It seems that pension sharing will be able to be achieved other than by a court order under the MCA.

  Reference is made to provision in a qualifying agreement, but we note this procedure seems to apply only if there is no pension sharing order already in relation to the same pension arrangement, in relation to this marriage or (it seems from s.3(5)(c)) a previous one.


 
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