Select Committee on Social Security Minutes of Evidence



5. MECHANICS—CLAUSES 15, 16, 19-21, 26

5.1 Charges

  Generally, we would make the point that pension sharing needs to be as simple as possible so as to minimise charges. We would foresee substantial start-up costs, which schemes may feel unable to pass on to members.

  It seems that the member's share of any charges can only be deducted from money purchase rights in the scheme or a transfer payment or benefit payment made out of the scheme. It seems that any final salary rights of a member cannot be adjusted to take account of the charge. We welcome the ability to add interest, if the scheme has to wait until benefits become payable to the member.

  The spouse's share of the charge can however be deducted from the pension credit.

  We note also that the charge can cover the administrative expenses of the initial transfer of value, plus any likely record-keeping or disclosure expenses in relation to the spouse.

  We also note the ability to deduct charges from payments to the spouse, once any internal membership benefits become payable. Presumably notice need only be given once, rather than each time a payment is made.

5.2 Alienation

  In Clause 19(1), we note that the relevant provisions do not apply in relation to the court order, whereas in s.166 of the PA 1995 the same provisions are expressed not to apply to "a court exercising its powers"—it does not seem that anything turns on this but we wondered why the distinction was made. We welcome the wording in Clause 19(2), and wonder whether the same wording should be added to s.166 of the 1995 Act.

5.3 Interpretation

  In Clause 21(2), it needs to be clear that the person responsible for an insured occupational pension scheme means the trustees if there are any, and not the insurance company. This is achieved if "trustees or managers" has the meaning given by s.124 of the PA 1995. We are not clear whether that definition is imported into this Bill.

  For consistency, the definition of "pensionable service" should reflect the definition contained in the PSA and include the wording in Clause 70(3) which is also contained in s.124(3) PA 1995.

  A general point, but where definitions are contained in particular sections, such as "valuation date" in Clause 4(6), could these terms be swept up in an interpretation clause at the end, perhaps Clause 21, so that the reader is directed to the place where the definition occurs? If a term is used in two different sections with different meanings, there could still be a cross reference to both those sections as appropriate. If there could be one interpretation clause at the end of the Bill rather than two separate ones, that would also be helpful.

5.4 Making regulations

  We note the very broad provisions of Clause 26(4), which enable regulations to include such incidental, supplementary, consequential or transitional provisions as are "expedient". Does this enable regulations to extend to areas where they are not specifically provided for, such as the application of pension debits under Clause 6?

5.5 Bankruptcy

  There is some uncertainty over the status of rights under occupational pension schemes and other types of pension arrangement where the member is declared bankrupt. Presumably the member's bankruptcy would not affect the pension credits of the former spouse, provided that the pension sharing order had actually been implemented. We would welcome any clarification of this point that you might be able to include in the legislation.


 
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