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Page 535 1998-1999 Volume 255 [No. 141.] Monday 1st November 1999. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Ordered, That if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the next Session, the Agents for the Bill shall deposit in the Private Bill Office a declaration signed by them, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill which was brought from the Lords in the present Session; Ordered, That as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office that such a declaration has been so deposited has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first and second time and committed (and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read and committed); Ordered, That no Petitions against the Bill having been presented within the time limited during the present Session, no Petitioners shall be heard before any committee on the Bill save those who complain of any amendment as proposed in the filled up Bill or of any matter which arises during the progress of the Bill before the committee; Ordered, That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session; Ordered, That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House.(The Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.) Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
Ordered, That the Promoters of the Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (Amendment of Rules) Bill shall have leave to suspend proceedings thereon in order to proceed with the Bill in the next Session of Parliament, provided that the Agents for the Bill give notice to the Clerks in the Private Bill Office not later than the day before the close of the present Session of their intention to suspend further proceedings and that all Fees due on the Bill up to that date be paid; Ordered, That on the fifth day on which the House sits in the next Session the Bill shall be presented to the House; Ordered, That there shall be deposited with the Bill a declaration signed by the Agents for the Bill, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill at the last stage of its proceedings in this House in the present Session; Ordered, That the Bill shall be laid upon the Table of the House by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office on the next meeting of the House after the day on which the Bill has been presented and, when so laid, shall be read the first, second and third time and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read; Ordered, That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session; Ordered, That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House.(The Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.) Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
A Clause (Arbitration provisions)(Mr David Lock)brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (Northern Ireland)(Mr David Lock)brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Amendments (Nos. 2, 1 and 3) made to the Bill. The Bill was read the third time, and passed, with Amendments. Page 536 Monday 1st November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top
A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Resolution(Dr Nick Palmer); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Andrew Miller: 53. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kelvin Hopkins, Mr Brian White: 121. So the Question was negatived. Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
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The Deputy Speaker suspended the sitting until a Message was received from the Lords relating to the Greater London Authority Bill, pursuant to Order [29th October]. And it being Ten o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.
The Lords have agreed to the Greater London Authority Bill, with Amendments, to which they desire the concurrence of this House.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till one minute past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 11.01 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(1) Claims for Wrongful Death, and (2) Damages for Personal Injury: Medical, Nursing and Other Expenses; Collateral Benefits [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 807 and 806] [Mr David Lock].
(2) Accounts of the National Museums and Galleries on Merseyside for 199899, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Statutory Instrument]; to be printed [Nos. 876 and 877] [Clerk of the House].
(i) National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts (NESTA), and (ii) New Opportunities Fund (NOF), with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith]; and (2) Report and Statement of Accounts of sportscotland Lottery Fund for 199899 [by Command] [Mr Secretary Reid].
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(2) Forty-first Report from the Committee [The PRIME project: the Transfer of the Department of Social Security Estate to the Private Sector]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 548]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The 1992 & 1998 Information Management & Technology Strategies of the NHS Executive]; to be printed [No. 879-i] [Mr David Davis].
[No. 142.] Tuesday 2nd November 1999. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Ordered, That the Bill be further considered on Tuesday 9th November.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Baxi Partnership Limited Trusts Bill [Lords],The Lords communicate that they have considered the Message from the Commons [yesterday] relating to the Baxi Partnership Limited Trusts Bill [Lords]; and that they have come to the following Resolutions in respect of the Bill, viz.: That the promoters of the Bill have leave to suspend any further proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next Session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than 12 noon on Tuesday 9th November; That the Bill be deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than noon on the second sitting day in the next Session with a declaration annexed, signed by the agent, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill at the last stage of the proceedings thereon in this House in the present Session; That the proceedings on the Bill in the next Session of Parliament be pro forma in regard to every stage through which the Bill has passed in the present Session, and that no new fees be charged to such stages; That the Private Business Standing Orders apply to the Bill in the next Session only in regard to any stage through which the Bill has not passed during the present Session.
Page 539 Tuesday 2nd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top Planning, Greenfields and Brownfields,A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House regrets the growing divide between the prosperous and deprived areas of Britain; condemns the run-down of industry and the dereliction of inner city and old industrial areas; urges the Government to put in place better measures to encourage urban and industrial regeneration; vigorously opposes the idea that hundreds of thousands more people will be encouraged to move out of the urban areas into new housing on greenfield sites; further urges the Secretary of State to veto the South East plan for 1.1 million new homes, half on greenfield land, and to warn inspectors not to come to similar conclusions for other parts of the country; reminds the Government that there will be demand for new and better housing in the cities which they should help developers to meet by their planning and renewal policies; and stresses that sustainable development means limiting greenfield housing construction(Mr John Redwood); An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word House' to the end of the Question and add the words welcomes the Government's continued commitment to sustainable growth, safeguarding the countryside and promoting an urban renaissance; welcomes the establishment of Regional Development Agencies and the policies and programmes which have been put in place to improve the prosperity and quality of life of the regions and supports the targeting of regeneration initiatives in areas of greatest need; recognises that the Government's integrated, inclusive and strategic approach is encouraging urban and industrial regeneration; welcomes the Government's inter-linked policies for revitalising the UK's towns and cities and protecting the countryside; supports the Government's target for building 60 per cent. of all new housing on previously developed land and welcomes the new housing planning policy guidance which encourages in town brownfield site development first under a phased sequential test; supports this Government's approach to new out-of-town shopping developments; welcomes the Government's move away from the previous predict and provide approach to housing provision and the introduction of a plan, monitor and manage policy under the new regional planning policy arrangements, including Examination in Public and Independent Panel assessment; recognises the need for a more detailed evaluation of land availability and capacity and welcomes the establishment of a National Land Use Database; supports the Government's policies on protecting the Green Belt; and believes the Government's planning, housing, transport, countryside protection, welfare and economic policies will achieve more sustainable and equitable patterns of both urban and rural development', instead thereof.(Mr Nick Raynsford.) And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Stephen Day: 185. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Clive Betts: 346. So the Question was negatived. And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):It was agreed to. The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to. Resolved, That this House welcomes the Government's continued commitment to sustainable growth, safeguarding the countryside and promoting an urban renaissance; welcomes the establishment of Regional Development Agencies and the policies and programmes which have been put in place to improve the prosperity and quality of life of the regions and supports the targeting of regeneration initiatives in areas of greatest need; recognises that the Government's integrated, inclusive and strategic approach is encouraging urban and industrial regeneration; welcomes the Government's inter-linked policies for revitalising the UK's towns and cities and protecting the countryside; supports the Government's target for building 60 per cent. of all new housing on previously developed land and welcomes the new housing planning policy guidance which encourages in town brownfield site development first under a phased sequential test; supports this Government's approach to new out-of-town shopping developments; welcomes the Government's move away from the previous predict and provide approach to housing provision and the introduction of a plan, monitor and manage policy under the new regional planning policy arrangements, including Examination in Public and Independent Panel assessment; recognises the need for a more detailed evaluation of land availability and capacity and welcomes the establishment of a National Land Use Database; supports the Government's policies on protecting the Green Belt; and believes the Government's planning, housing, transport, countryside protection, welfare and economic policies will achieve more sustainable and equitable patterns of both urban and rural development.
Page 540 Tuesday 2nd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top That on the fifth day on which the House sits in the next Session the Bill shall be presented to the House; That there shall be deposited with the Bill a declaration signed by the Agents for the Bill, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill presented in the House in the present Session; That as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office, that such a declaration has been so deposited, has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first and second time and committed (and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read and committed) and shall be committed to the Chairman of Ways and Means; That the Chairman of Ways and Means shall make such Amendments thereto as have been made by the committee in the present Session, and shall report the Bill as amended to the House forthwith, and the Bill, so amended, shall be ordered to be considered; That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session; That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House; And the Question being again proposed;The House resumed the adjourned Debate. And the Question being put; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Crispin Blunt, Mr Tony Baldry: 215. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kelvin Hopkins, Mr Harry Cohen: 81. So the Question was agreed to. Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till fourteen minutes to Ten o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 9.46 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Paper subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(1) the year ended 28th February 1997, and (2) the year ended 28th February 1998, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 874 and 875] [Clerk of the House].
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APPENDIX II Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Access for All?: a survey of Post-16 participation] [Mr Derek Foster].
(2) Memorandum laid before the Committee [Government Observations on the Eighth Report from the Committee, on the Budget 1999: Environmental Considerations] [Mr John Horam].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Financial Services Authority]; to be printed [No. 881-i] [Mr Giles Radice].
Page 542 Tuesday 2nd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top [No. 143.] Wednesday 3rd November 1999. The House met at half-past Nine o'clock. PRAYERS.
And it being Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
The Lords have agreed to the Immigration and Asylum Bill, with Amendments; to which they desire the concurrence of this House. The Lords have agreed to the Food Standards Bill, with Amendments; to which they desire the concurrence of this House.
Page 543 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top Lords Amendments 1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall be completed at today's sitting and, if not previously concluded, shall be brought to a conclusion at midnight. 2.(1) The Lords Amendments shall be considered in the following order, namely: Nos. 42 to 46, 1 to 41 and 47 to 191. (2) Each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second column of the Table. TABLE
3.(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraphs 1 and 2. (2) The Speaker shall (a) put forthwith any Question which has been proposed from the Chair and has not been decided and, if that Question is for the amendment of a Lords Amendment, the Question on any further Amendment of the Lords Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown and on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Lords Amendment or, as the case may be, in the Lords Amendment as amended, (b) put forthwith the Question on any Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown to a Lords Amendment followed by the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment or, as the case may be, in their Amendment as amended, (c) put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House disagrees with the Lords in a Lords Amendment, and (d) put forthwith the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments. (3) As soon as the House has agreed or disagreed with the Lords in any of their Amendments the Speaker shall put forthwith a single Question on any Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown relevant to the Lords Amendment. Subsequent stages 4. The Speaker shall put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the consideration forthwith of any further Message from the Lords on the Bill. 5. The proceedings on any further Message from the Lords shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement. 6. For the purpose of bringing those proceedings to a conclusion the Speaker shall (a) put forthwith any Question which has been proposed from the Chair and has not been decided, and the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown which is related to the Question already proposed from the Chair, (b) put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown on or relevant to any of the remaining items in the Lords Message, and (c) put forthwith the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Proposals. Reasons Committee 7. The Speaker shall put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the appointment of its Chairman. 8.(1) A Committee appointed to draw up Reasons shall report before the conclusion of the sitting at which it is appointed. (2) Proceedings in the Committee shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion 30 minutes after their commencement. (3) For the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with sub-paragraph (2) the Chairman shall Page 544 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top (a) first put forthwith any Question which has already been proposed from the Chair and has not yet been decided; and (b) then put forthwith successively Questions on motions which may be made by a Minister of the Crown for assigning a Reason for disagreeing with the Lords in one of their Amendments. (4) The proceedings of the Committee shall be reported without any further Question being put. Miscellaneous 9. This paragraph applies to (a) proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments, (b) proceedings on any further Message from the Lords, and (c) proceedings of the kind mentioned in paragraph 7. 10. Standing Order No. 15(1) (Exempted business) shall apply to proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies. 11. Proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies shall not be interrupted under any Standing Order relating to the sittings of the House. 12. No dilatory Motion with respect to, or in the course of, proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies shall be made except by a Minister of the Crown; and the Question on any such Motion shall be put forthwith. 13. Where proceedings on a Motion for the Adjournment of the House would, by virtue of Standing Order No. 24 (Urgent matters), commence at a time when proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies are in progress, the proceedings on the Motion shall be postponed to the conclusion of the proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies. 14. If the House is adjourned, or the sitting is suspended, before the conclusion of any proceedings to which paragraph 9 applies, no notice shall be required of a Motion made at the next sitting by a Minister of the Crown for varying or supplementing the provisions of this Order.(Mr Secretary Darling.)
Lords Amendment No.42. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Secretary Darling); And it being Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question already proposed from the Chair, pursuant to Order [this day]. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mike Hall, Mrs Anne McGuire: 325. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr Oliver Heald: 265. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker then proceeded to put the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour. Amendments ((c) and (d)) were made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords Amendment No. 43. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mike Hall, Mrs Anne McGuire: 320. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr Oliver Heald: 262. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Amendments ((c), (d) and (e)) were made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords Amendment No. 46. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); Page 545 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mike Hall, Mrs Anne McGuire: 326. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr Oliver Heald: 253. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 44 and 45 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 44. Lords Amendment No. 1 was disagreed to. Amendments were made to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendment disagreed to, in page 52, line 4, at the end to insert a Clause (Preservation of rights in respect of additional pensions), and in page 86, line 26, after the word sections' to insert the words (Preservation of rights in respect of additional pensions),'. Lords Amendment No. 2 was agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 3 was disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 4 to 19 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 20. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Jeff Rooker); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Clelland, Mr Clive Betts: 363. Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr John M. Taylor: 193. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. And it being after Ten o'clock, the Deputy Speaker proceeded to put the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour. Lords Amendment No. 33. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr David Clelland: 336. Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Keith Simpson: 241. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendment disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 34 was disagreed to. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendment disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 21 to 32 were agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 35 to 41 and 47 to 52 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 40. Lords Amendment No. 53. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Stephen Timms); Thursday 4th November 1999 And it being Twelve o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question already proposed from the Chair. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 345. Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Keith Simpson: 203. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Page 546 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top The Deputy Speaker then proceeded to put the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour. And the Question being put, That Amendments ((a) to (t)) be made to the words so restored to the Bill; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 344. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Jonathan Sayeed: 166. So the Question was agreed to. Amendments ((a) to (t)) were accordingly made to the words restored to the Bill. Lords Amendment No. 54. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 337. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Jonathan Sayeed: 124. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Amendments ((a) to (t)) were made to the words restored to the Bill. Lords Amendment No. 85. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 311. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Jonathan Sayeed: 104. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 93. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Kevin Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mike Hall, Jim Dowd: 301. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Jonathan Sayeed: 91. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 55 to 84, 86 to 92 and 94 to 191 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 137 and 156. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 3, 20, 46, 85 and 93; That Mr Richard Burden, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Eric Pickles and Mr Jeff Rooker be members of the Committee; That Mr Jeff Rooker be Chairman of the Committee; That three be the quorum of the Committee; That the Committee do withdraw immediately(Mrs Anne McGuire); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Dowd, Mr Mike Hall: 297. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Jonathan Sayeed: 76. So the Question was agreed to. Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 3, 20, 46, 85 and 93. Ordered, That Mr Richard Burden, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Eric Pickles and Mr Jeff Rooker be members of the Committee. Page 547 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top Ordered, That Mr Jeff Rooker be Chairman of the Committee. Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee. Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immediately.
The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 3 for the following Reason: Because it is inconsistent with the condition that a stakeholder pension must have tax exemption or tax approval. The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 20 for the following Reason: Because it involves charges on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient. The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 46 for the following Reason: Because it would alter the financial arrangements made by the Commons, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient. The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 85 for the following Reason: Because it is consequential on Lords Amendment No. 53 to which the Commons have disagreed. The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 93 for the following Reason: Because it is consequential on Lords Amendment No. 54 to which the Commons have disagreed. The Reasons were agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill and Amendments.
And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock on Wednesday evening, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then eleven minutes to Two o'clock on Thursday morning, till this day. [Adjourned at 1.49 a.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Paper subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
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APPENDIX II Standing Committees
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Edward O'Hara Chairman; and (2) the Committee of Selection has appointed sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Graham Allen, Mr Julian Brazier, Mr Martin Caton, Mr Christopher Chope, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Eric Illsley, Miss Melanie Johnson, Lynne Jones, Mr Piara S. Khabra, Ms Oona King, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Oliver Letwin, Mr Kevin McNamara, Mr Chris Pond, Mr Bill Rammell and Mr William Ross.
European Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Ninth Report from the Committee [Defence Research], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 616]; and (3) Memorandum laid before the Committee [Correction of Evidence relating to the Sixth Report of the Defence Committee, Session 199798, HC 621] [Mr Bruce George].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Employment Sub-Committee of the Committee [Employability and Jobs: Is There a Jobs Gap?]; to be printed [No. 886-i] [Mr Derek Foster]. Page 549 Wednesday 3rd November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top
(2) Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Environmental Impact of Supermarket Competition]; to be printed [No. 841-iii] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Contributory Principle]; to be printed [No. 485-v]; and (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [The 1999 Child Support White Paper; The Modernisation of Social Security Appeals Service] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].
[No. 144.] Thursday 4th November 1999. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
Ordered, That, if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the next Session, the Agents for the Bill shall deposit in the Private Bill Office a declaration signed by them, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill which was brought from the Lords in the present Session; Ordered, That, as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office, that such a declaration has been so deposited, has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first and second time and committed (and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read and committed); Ordered, That since no Petitions remain against the Bill no Petitioners shall be heard before any committee on the Bill save those who complain of any amendment as proposed in the filled up Bill or of any matter which arises during the progress of the Bill before the committee; Ordered, That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session; Page 550 Thursday 4th November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top Ordered, That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House.(The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.) Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
Ordered, That, if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the next Session, the Agents for the Bill shall deposit in the Private Bill Office a declaration signed by them, stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill which was brought from the Lords in the present Session; Ordered, That, as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office, that such a declaration has been so deposited, has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first time and shall be ordered to be read the second time (and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read); Ordered, That, no Petitions against the Bill having been presented within the time limited during the present Session, no Petitioners shall be heard before any committee on the Bill save those who complain of any amendment as proposed in the filled up Bill or of any matter which arises during the progress of the Bill before the committee; Ordered, That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during the present Session; Ordered, That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House.(The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.) Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Private Bills (Suspension),The Lords concur with the Commons in their Message [3rd November] relating to the City of London (Ward Elections) Bill. Private Bills [Lords] (Suspension),The Lords communicate that they have come to the following Resolution in respect of the Kent County Council Bill [Lords], the Medway Council Bill [Lords] and the City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords], to which the Lords desire the concurrence of this House, viz.: That the promoters of each Bill have leave to suspend any further proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next Session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on Tuesday 9th November and that all fees due on or before that day have been paid; That such Bill be deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on the second sitting day in the next Session with a declaration annexed, signed by the agent, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill at the last stage of the proceedings thereon in this House in the present Session; That the proceedings on such Bill in the next Session of Parliament be pro forma in regard to every stage through which the Bill has passed in the present Session, and that no new fees be charged to such stages; That the Private Business Standing Orders apply to such Bill in the next Session only in regard to any stage through which the Bill has not passed during the present Session.
Page 551 Thursday 4th November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top Resolved, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Greater London Authority Bill, it is expedient to authorise (a) the payment out of the National Loans Fund of any sums required to enable the Public Works Loans Commissioners to make loans to the Greater London Authority or any functional body, within the meaning of the Act; and (b) the payment of sums into the National Loans Fund.(Mr Keith Hill.)
Lords Amendment No. 1. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disgrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Nick Raynsford); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Tony McNulty, Mr Kevin Hughes: 306. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 151. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 2. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment(Mr Nick Raynsford); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Tony McNulty: 322. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 119. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 3 to 5 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 6 was disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 7 to 40 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 10 and 12 to 14. And it being Seven oclock, further consideration of the Lords Amendments stood adjourned. Ordered, That the Lords Amendments be further considered to-morrow.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-three minutes to Eight o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 7.37 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
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APPENDIX II Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Rural White Paper]; to be printed [No. 887] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
[No. 145.] Friday 5th November 1999. The House met at half-past Nine o'clock. PRAYERS.
Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords],The Lords communicate that they have considered the Message from the Commons [yesterday] relating to the Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords]; and that they have come to the following Resolutions in respect of the Bill, viz: That the promoters of the Bill have leave to suspend any further proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next Session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on Tuesday 9th November; Page 553 Friday 5th November 1999 1998-1999 Volume 255 Back to top That the Bill be deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on the second sitting day in the next Session with a declaration annexed, signed by the agent, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill at the last stage of the proceedings thereon in this House in the present Session; That the proceedings on the Bill in the next Session of Parliament be pro forma in regard to every stage through which the Bill has passed in the present Session, and that no new fees be charged to such stages; That the Private Business Standing Orders apply to the Bill in the next Session only in regard to any stage through which the Bill has not passed during the present Session. United Reformed Church Bill [Lords],The Lords communicate that they have considered the Message from the Commons [yesterday] relating to the United Reformed Church Bill [Lords]; and that they have come to the following Resolutions in respect of the Bill, viz: That the promoters of the Bill have leave to suspend any further proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next Session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on Tuesday 9th November; That the Bill be deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments not later than Twelve noon on the second sitting day in the next Session with a declaration annexed, signed by the agent, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill at the last stage of the proceedings thereon in this House in the present Session; That the proceedings on the Bill in the next Session of Parliament be pro forma in regard to every stage through which the Bill has passed in the present Session, and that no new fees be charged to such stages; That the Private Business Standing Orders apply to the Bill in the next Session only in regard to any stage through which the Bill has not passed during the present Session.
And it being half-past Two o'clock, the Motion for the adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put.
And the Motion having been made at half-past Two o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then Three o'clock, till Monday 8th November. [Adjourned at 3 p.m. APPENDIX Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
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