Select Committee on Treasury Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence


APPENDIX 5

Supplementary memorandum by Sir Peter Kemp KCB

  Reflecting on the evidence given by myself and others to the Committee on 14 April 1999, I would like to submit this supplementary note, covering three points.

  First, the reader of our evidence might think of us as coming over as too critical. My own view, however, and I believe the view of others who gave evidence, was that the PSAs are indeed an important move in the direction of better public services and value for money. There were some reservations and some issues we raised, inevitable with a new departure like this, but these will surely be sorted out in time.

  Second, the discussion towards the end got into a bit of confusion about auditing the numbers etc and publication. My view is it does not much matter who does the auditing, whether it is the Audit Commission, or the National Audit Office, or indeed some private sector firm, provided this is done properly and effectively, and is independent and publicly reported. None of us (and I speak as a member of the Audit Commission) want to say that any of these bodies have some kind of divine right. The more important point is to get the Treasury and the Government to agree that there should be an audit, which anyway at the time that we gave evidence seemed doubtful. The issue should not get bogged-down into argument about who might do it (an argument that has already surfaced in one of the accountancy journals). [4]

  Thirdly, there may have been some confusion over the question of the publication of outcomes. There are many and different ways of doing this of course. The Audit Commission mode is a perfectly good one, but the Audit Commission's auditees tend to have some kind of similarity, so one can make meaningful comparisons between local authority and another. This is not possible with organisations like, say, the Ministry of Defence or the Foreign Office, where there are no comparators and the test has to be that of outturn against target, coupled importantly with how these moved this year against previous years. Central Government departments and agencies on the one hand, and local authorities and health authorities on the other, are different animals. But that does not mean that Central Government departments and agencies' targets and outturns cannot and should not be published and indeed for agencies this is precisely what is done in the annual Next Steps Report (the most recent being Cm 4273). Something of the same model could be adopted for PSAs, though perhaps coupled with better publicity and visibility than are the Next Steps agencies' outturns.

26 April 1999


4   Accountancy Age, 22 April 1999, p 6. Back


 
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