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Mr. Hawkins: I beg to move amendment No. 122, in page 2, line 10, at end insert--
'(d) the education of offenders, in particular about the impact of crime on the victims of crime and the public.'.
Mr. Deputy Speaker (Sir Alan Haselhurst): With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 123, in clause 9, page 5, line 3, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 127, in page 21, line 6, leave out Clause 38.
Amendment No. 128, in page 21, line 27, leave out Clause 39.
Amendment No. 129, in page 22, line 8, leave out Clause 40.
Government amendments Nos. 20, 21 and 23.
Amendment No. 138, in clause 44, page 27 line 41, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 139, in page 28, line 15, leave out "punishment" and insert "service".
Amendment No. 140, in clause 45, page 28, line 28, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 141, in clause 5, page 29, line 10, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 142, in page 29, line 16, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 143, in clause 45, page 29, line 19, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 144, in page 29, line 25, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 149, in clause 46, page 30, line 2, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 150, in page 30, line 26, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 151, in page 30, line 32, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 152, in page 30, line 35, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 153, in clause 47, page 31, line 12, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 154, in page 31, line 16, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 155, in page 31, line 38, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 156, in page 32, line 7, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 189, in clause 48, page 32, line 26, at end insert--
'and that failure constitutes a serious breach and a period of at least three months has elapsed since the commencement of the order'.
Amendment No. 157, in clause 50, page 34, line 22, leave out--
'community rehabilitation orders or community punishment and rehabilitation orders'
'probation orders or combination orders'.
Amendment No. 158, in page 34, line 25, leave out from the first "community" to ", to" in line 26 and insert--
'service orders, or combination orders'.
Amendment No. 159, in page 34, line 31, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 160, in page 34, line 33, leave out "punishment" and insert "service".
Amendment No. 169, in schedule 6, page 53, leave out from beginning of line 20 to end of line 47 on page 54.
Amendment No. 170, in page 56, line 22, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 171, in page 57, line 19, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 172, in page 57, line 23, leave out paragraph 18.
Amendment No. 173, in page 60, leave out lines 8 and 9.
Amendment No. 174, in page 60, line 11, leave out--
'community rehabilitation hostel' means a community rehabilitation'
'probation hostel' means a probation'.
Amendment No. 175, in page 64, line 9, line 9, leave out paragraph 58.
Amendment No. 176, in page 65, line 23, leave out from "for" to end of line 25 and insert--
'before "probation, community service, combination", there is inserted "exclusion".'.
Amendment No. 177, in page 66, line 2, leave out sub-paragraph (a).
Amendment No. 178, in page 66, line 10, leave out from beginning to end of line 13.
Amendment No. 179, in page 66, line 29, leave out from beginning to end of line 30.
Amendment No. 180, in page 66, line 33, leave out from beginning to end of line 41.
Amendment No. 181, in page 67, line 1, leave out from "for" to end of line 4 and insert--
'before "probation" there is inserted "exclusion, drug abstinence"'.
Amendment No. 182, in page 67, line 9, leave out from beginning to end of line 12.
Amendment No. 183, in page 67, line 13, leave out from "for" to end of line 15 and insert--
'before "probation" there is inserted "exclusion, drug abstinence"'.
Amendment No. 184, in page 67, line 31, leave out from beginning to end of line 32.
Amendment No. 185, in page 67, line 34, leave out from beginning to end of line 36.
Amendment No. 186, in page 67, line 39, leave out from beginning to end of line 6 on page 68.
Amendment No. 187, in page 68, line 12, leave out "community rehabilitation" and insert "probation".
Amendment No. 188, in page 68, line 41, leave out from second "of" to ", curfew" in line 42 and insert "probation, combination".
Amendment No. 120, in page 68, leave out lines 43 to 48.
Mr. Hawkins: It seems that the Minister wanted to move our amendments for us. That indicates a new spirit of support for our measures. I look forward with particular pleasure to his words a little later.
We are dealing with a large group of amendments, but the House will appreciate that many of them are consequential on others.
The House will recall that there was great delight when, in answer to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (Mr. Bercow), who is in his place, the Minister conceded that we had been right and the Government had been wrong in their attempt to change the name of the probation service. That was a welcome concession, but we hoped that the Government would make further concessions in Committee. We were sadly disappointed. Even though they had conceded what the National Association of Probation Officers, every county probation service in the country and large numbers of other people had said about the name of the service, they remained adamant and refused to accept the equally strongly held views expressed by the same groups of people--not only the probation officers trade union, but all the country probation committees--that it was crazy to change the names of all the orders that the courts were used to dealing with.
I draw to the attention of the House the continuing concerns, even after the Committee stage, that have been expressed by the Hereford and Worcester probation committee in particular. A member of that committee wrote to me and to my hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Worcestershire (Mr. Luff), who served on the Standing Committee with us, and stated:
- We welcome the Minister's decision not to change the Service's name, but Part III of the Bill introduces a completely new nomenclature for community sentences . . . which the Committee--
- considers both unnecessary and unhelpful. The new names (in particular community punishment order for community service order, and community rehabilitation order for probation order) offer an over-simplified account of their functions, and are likely to increase confusion about community sentences, and undermine rather than enhance public understanding of the work of the service.
One need not spell out the acronym of "community rehabilitation and punishment order" to appreciate immediately that it could easily become a matter of ridicule. The law must not be mocked. We are therefore very worried. The letter from the member of the Hereford and Worcester probation committee is especially significant because the author is not, as Ministers may suppose, a member of the Conservative party, or even a Liberal Democrat, but a sitting Labour councillor. Even local Labour party activists who are on probation committees believe that the Government have got it wrong; they have expressed the matter in strong terms, which I described.
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