Select Committee on Agriculture Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted by the Public & Commercial Services Union (E8)

  INTRODUCTION

The Public & Commercial Services Union (PCS) represents members in the clerical, executive, secretarial and support grades in the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, including MAFF's regional organisation. We welcome this opportunity to offer evidence to the Committee on the performance and effectiveness of MAFF's Regional Service Centres, and we do so from the perspective of the staff who work within it and who deal directly with farmers and the farming community on a day-to-day basis.

DELIVERY OF SERVICE

  

Contact with farmers

It is our conviction that the service provided by the current structure of nine Regional Service Centres (RSCs) situated at various locations throughout England, is not only effective and efficient but is also essential to the future success of British agriculture. The fact that there is a wide geographical spread of RSCs maximises MAFF's local interface with the agriculture community. It enables farmers direct access to the people who are dealing with their business and, most importantly, it allows for that interaction to be conducted face to face. Through our contacts with farmers, we know that this is something which they value highly in terms of the service they receive from MAFF. They appreciate the local knowledge and expertise which is built up within each RSC, concerning the individual farmers and their holdings, their particular problems and the actualities of the local land and its environment. Also, when there are still a number of farmers who cannot read or write, the ability to deal with matters verbally across a table is also a considerable benefit.

  Farmers want direct contact with staff, eg in resolving queries and problems. They do not want to be passed around from pillar to post, or to be kept on hold at the end of a telephone. RSC staff are able to avoid these things in most cases.

Customer Satisfaction Survey

  The facility of access combined with a co-operative and knowledgeable workforce was recognised in the most recent customer satisfaction survey of the RSCs, carried out in 1995 by BJM Research and Consultancy Ltd on MAFF's behalf. This survey showed that 85 per cent of farmers considered the performance of the RSCs to be good, very good or excellent. The survey also identified the satisfaction of farmers with the way in which the staff dealt with them. This echoes our own anecdotal evidence that farmers, and very few exceptions, are always ready to praise the work and attitude of RSC staff. Farmers do have criticism, of course, but these seem to be almost exclusively related to red tape and to central MAFF or EU policy, all of which is outside the control of the individual RSCs.

Effectiveness

  Statistics produced by the Ministry show that the RSCs as a whole operate to a high degree of efficiency. The Committee will be fully aware of the need for MAFF to meet certain targets and deadlines in respect of the administration of CAP payments, in order to avoid disallowance. Considering that the nine RSCs manage between them around £2 billion of CAP funding for agricultural grants and subsidies in England, the rare instances of disallowance actually occurring have been minimal. This is a further reflection of the fact that the RSCs operate at a consistently high level of efficiency: figures indicate that this is around about 98 per cent. This was confirmed by the Minister in an answer to a Question in the House on 27 July 1999, which provided details of the RSCs' performance against the required "Commitment to Service" targets for 1998-99. Further evidence of the effectiveness and importance of the RSCs' local relationship with farmers is exemplified by the statement made by Lord Donoughue in January 1999, when announcing that £838 million had been paid out on time to farmers under the Arable Area Payments Scheme. He said then that this achievement "reflected the successful partnership between the Ministry's staff in the Regions and farmers themselves."

The Social Dimension

  PCS considers that "partnership" to be a crucial one, particularly at this time of crisis in agriculture. The Ministry's regional structure reflects the diversity and widespread nature of UK agriculture, varying as it does, for example, from the large arable holdings of East Anglia to the small, almost subsistence farming of the Herefordshire hill farms. But it also has an important social dimension. Local accessibility and familiarity can help to avoid some of the problems of social exclusion and isolation which can at times be a problem in rural areas. With farmers currently under considerable pressure and stress, the knowledge that there is a local presence from a Government Department, which is dealing directly with their affairs can be a real help to struggling farmers. As already mentioned, the ability to make direct contact with known and trusted MAFF staff can both expedite business and also provide important support in less tangible ways.

  This relationship between farmers and MAFF staff should not be misconstrued. Staff in the RSCs remain professional and detached, as required by their position. They are helpful and co-operative, but always mindful of the limits imposed on them by the rules etc under which they work. But within those rules the staff can and do ensure that the system is operated so that the optimum service is provided for farmers in a way which they both understand and feel comfortable with. By providing the vital "human touch", the local MAFF presence is seen as an integral part of the local agricultural community. It can also be a metaphorical lifeline—and in some cases literally so—for individual farmers under intolerable stress. We believe that the RSCs are already acting, in part, in the sort of fashion which the Government has envisaged for the Government Office for the Regions; as a direct link between central Government and the regional community. There may be scope for the role to be developed further.

Resources

  PCS believes that the high level of performance demonstrated by the RSCs has been achieved primarily through the goodwill, dedication and loyalty of the staff. It has also been achieved despite years of inadequate resourcing and under circumstances of increasing personal stress for the staff. There is an unacceptable level of overtime being worked in the RSCs, combined with the continuing use of casual staff. PCS believes that the increases in overtime and casual employment in the RSCs coincided with the introduction of "affordable staffing levels" to replace the previous concept of staff complements. This philosophy, in our view, means that staff numbers are now driven by the desire to cut costs rather than to provide a service, and that insufficient weight is given to the scale and nature of the work to be done.

THE FUTURE

  

E-business and the emerging technologies

PCS is conscious of the Government's declared objective of facilitating the business of all Government Departments using improved IT systems and, in particular, the Internet. We are fully supportive of those objectives and we believe that it is entirely right that all Government business should be capable of being transacted electronically. However, whilst the Union will co-operate fully with that process in MAFF, we do not believe that the take up of e-business within the agricultural community will be such that all business will be done that way for some time to come. MAFF will need to institute a major and on-going initiative aimed at assisting farmers to acquire the expertise and, in may cases, also the equipment, before the majority of farmers can conduct all their business with MAFF electronically.

Changes to the MAFF Regional Organisation

  Towards the end of 1999, MAFF commission PriceWaterhouseCoopers (PwC) to look into how MAFF administers the payment of funds under the Common Agricultural Policy. That study was conducted at great expense and in what PCS considers to be undue haste (just three months in total). It produced recommendations for radical restructuring of the regional organisation which, PCS believes, are not justified by the realities of the role of the RSCs and the work they undertake; will not improve either the service to farmers or the administration of CAP payments; and could be the final straw which breaks the back of British agriculture—at least for the majority of small and medium-sized producers.

  The PwC report recommends the closure of between six to eight of the 11 offices currently run by MAFF and the Intervention Board, (those 11 offices being the nine RSCs and two IB offices in Reading and Newcastle), and the shedding of at least 1,600 jobs. The remaining three to five offices would be hived off into a new Executive Agency of MAFF, dealing exclusively with CAP payments. Its structure would be based on a banking/insurance industry model with a "corporate centre", a remote telephone Call Centre for dealing with all queries, and one or more "processing centres". The processing centres would be, in effect, paper "factories", involved exclusively in processing claims and applications for money under CAP. All queries involving CAP payments would be dealt with by the Call Centre and not by the staff actually processing the payment. The whole process, under the PwC proposals, would be predicated on the assumption that 100 per cent of CAP payments would be made via the Internet.

  At the time of writing, a business case is being submitted to the Minister for his decision on whether to proceed with the restructuring. He is due to meet with PCS on 5 May to discuss his decision. A summary response to the PwC report, from PCS to the Minister, is attached for the Committee's information [not printed].

  PCS believes that the PwC proposals are superficial, short-sighted, misinformed, and would be disastrous for both MAFF and for the future of UK agriculture. It would be the antithesis of the direct, customer-orientated service which MAFF provides and which those towards whom the service is directed have said time and again they appreciate and want. It would dismantle and centralise the Ministry's regional organisation at a time when greater regionalisation is supposed to be a Government aim. It would break apart and destroy what is currently an effective and proven operation, which has consistently delivered a high level of quality service over many years, and would replace it with an untried and untested regime that would not improve efficiency, would not be popular with farmers or with staff working in it. It would see the loss of hundreds of experienced and dedicated staff, and the expertise which they have developed over time and which is so vital to the iterative process which dealing with queries in the RSCs entails.

Electronic submission of forms

  PwC's report seeks to justify their proposed structure of the CAP Paying Agency (CAPPA) by the need to modernise MAFF's computer systems and facilitate e-commerce. PCS rejects that linkage. Whilst we do not disagree that modernisation of the IT systems in the RSCs is well overdue, work on a replacement system was underway before PwC came along.

  There is no reason that IT modernisation and the move towards increasing levels of e-business cannot be achieved within the current RSC structure. Indeed, it is PCS's belief that it would be both easier and safer, (from the point of view of avoiding disallowance), if the IT were to be developed alongside existing systems and within the current regional structure. We are convinced that to launch a new and radical IT system simultaneously with new and radical working practices in a new Agency structure would be monumental folly. No new IT system can be guaranteed to work effectively from day one. But a system dealing with CAP payments will have to operate to at least 96 per cent efficiency if MAFF is not to incur disallowance. We do not believe that this can be achieved under the PwC proposals. This is what our members who do the work day in, day out, are telling us. What MAFF could be facing is yet another high profile computer disaster such as has dogged the public service over the last few years, eg in the Passport Office—but with the attendant cost implications of millions of pounds of potential disallowance.

The use of "third party agents"

  We do not accept that 100 per cent of all farmers will be in a position to use the Internet to do business with MAFF within the next couple of years as PwC's report suggests. PwC have proposed that "third party agents" could act on behalf of farmers who could not or did not want to deal direct with MAFF electronically. It has yet to be explained to our satisfaction how this would work on the scale which is likely to be necessary. Although the NFU's senior leadership has indicated its interest in the third party role, much less enthusiasm and credulity has been expressed by those within the lower ranks of the NFU who would have to bear the burden of that role, or by those who would ultimately have to pay for the service. One senior MAFF official has since suggested that charities or the Women's Institute might wish to take on the role of third party. PCS believes that the whole situation is now bordering on farce.

Why change?

  We can see no logic or benefit in dismantling the current structure and replacing it with a new and very different one entirely on the false premise that all farmers will be rushing to use the Internet, or the equally false premise that there are sufficient capable organisations out there who are willing and have the capacity to take on the work required. Nor do we see the logic in compelling farmers, in the middle of the worst depression that farming has seen in living memory, to pay out even more money to "agents" in order to operate a system which they do not want, to allow them to continue to do what they currently can do for nothing.

  Neither do we accept that the staff "savings" which PwC have predicted—and which are seen as being essential in order to help fund the restructuring—are realistic, deliverable or desirable. We have yet to find anyone who knows anything about the realities of agriculture in practice, and the day-to-day work of the RSCs in practice, who believes that the PwC proposals will work or will improve the service offered by MAFF to its "customers".

The PCS Visions for the RSCs

  We trust that the Minister will have recognised all these various absurdities in the PwC approach, and will have rejected their recommendations. We also trust that he will choose instead to work in partnership with PCS and the other MAFF Unions, as representatives of the staff, in taking forward a sensible and realistic programme of modernisation within the regional organisation. But modernisation which builds upon the strengths of the current RSCs, which enhances its record, and that of its staff, for adaptability and forward-looking, and which reinforces the link between MAFF's local presence and the communities which it serves.

  We are fully supportive of moves to secure the RSCs the most effective and advanced IT system, so that an integrated and modern working environment can produce benefits for staff and farmers alike. We would also support moves to reduce red tape in respect of the administration of CAP payments. But we would advocate careful planning in respect of how MAFF is to be integrated or assimilated with the Government Office for the Regions, so that its role already as a provider of a regional service is both recognised and developed.

  Finally, it has been suggested from within the NFU that MAFF should have more local offices. PCS certainly agrees that MAFF should not have less, and we did argue against the closure of offices under the previous administration, a decade or so ago, when the then regional organisation was reduced to the nine RSCs we have today. The view now being expressed that nine RSCs is not enough would seem to show that we were right. However, we recognise that it is expensive to create new offices, or to bring them back once they are gone. All the more reason, in our view, why MAFF should not now be considering reducing its offices. If there were scope for enhancing the current RSC structure with, perhaps, a number of smaller satellite offices over a wider locality then PCS would probably support that. But at the moment our priority is to defend the current RSC structure on the basis of its proven track record as a cost-effective, efficient and respected organisation. PCS is not opposed to change, but bad change should always be opposed. We hope that, after its deliberations, the Committee will agree with us that MAFF's RSC structure is something which should be built upon and supported, rather than destroyed in a spasm of faddishness.

3 May 2000


 
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