Select Committee on Agriculture Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum submitted by J Sainsbury plc (F69)

  Our aim is to have 1,000 organic lines by the end of this year. We serve over 10 million customers a week and the approximate annual value of UK organic sourcing is £33 million, around 80 per cent of which is dairy sales. Last Friday, we were voted by the readers of The Mail on Sunday's You magazine Organic Supermarket of the Year. We also won the Dairy category for our Organic Rich Chocolate Ice Cream and our mature cheddar was highly commended; our organic ciabatta bread won the Bread category in the Organic Food Awards.

  During our evidence we outlined Sainsbury's organic pricing policy. Organic foods cost more to produce and it is Sainsbury's policy to reflect the costs incurred in the price to the consumer. Sainsbury's stance is to be responsible and to avoid both profiteering or artificially subsidising the market. We believe our pricing policy is sustainable in the long term. Sainsbury's does not take additional profit on the extra cost of organic foods and we believe customers should be aware of the true costs of organic foods. We believe this will prevent any damage to this market which could create nervousness amongst farmers, slow the UK conversion programmes and retain our high dependency on imported products.

  We do not want there to be an organic price war as this would be bad for farmers and consumers. Bad for farmers as they may end up cutting corners in production and bad for consumers as quality and integrity falls. Farmers need the guarantee that premiums will still be there after their two-year conversion process.

  We believe as the UK organic market is established, prices should stabilise as illustrated below:

  Sainsbury's own label 400g Organic White Bread:

    —  selling price in 1996  59p;

    —  selling price in 2000  49p.

  Sainsbury's own label 400g White Bread (conventionally produced):

    —  selling price in 1996  27p;

    —  selling price in 2000  29p.

  Instead of artificially lowering prices, which could threaten the organic farmers' return and depress prices for conventional products, Sainsbury's are helping farmers to convert. As mentioned in our evidence, Sainsbury's has an unique dairy initiative with the Organic Milk Suppliers Co-operative. This initiative guarantees a minimum price for farmers for five years with a target production volume of 155 million litres. The aim is that 15 per cent of all milk at Sainsbury's will be organic by 2004. We have recently won the Retail Industry award for Organic Initiative of the Year for our OMSCo initiative.

  In October we launched TOP (The Organic Partnership) which is an alliance of senior Sainsbury's personnel and key organic suppliers who together will build on the success of the Sainsbury's SOuRCe initiative and maintain Sainsbury's position as the major seller of organic food in the UK. The launch of TOP will build on SOuRCe's achievements, developing a more commercial focus and reflecting recent changes in the UK organic food market. TOP also embraces the Sainsbury's Organic Category Management programme—the first such scheme to be completed in the UK.

  Please find below our responses to the Committee's supplementary questions forwarded.

1.  Your memorandum raised concerns about the difference between the UK standards and the lower standards allowed under the new European livestock regulation 1804/00 (para 4.4 to 4.6). Could you explain in more detail your concerns about the livestock regulations? How can these concerns be addressed?

  As indicated in para 4.4, the historical development of organic standards in the UK have meant that there was a reluctance by UK certification bodies to change their standards or accept a watering down of them. The best way of describing our concern is to recall the situation in Ireland.

  In Ireland, the three organic certification bodies—Demeter, IOFGA and Organic Trust—were asked by the Irish Department of Agriculture earlier in the year to agree one set of standards for organic livestock production. Over a period of several months, and in discussion with other European certification bodies such as the Soil Association, the three approved Irish organic bodies agreed one uniform standard for organic livestock production in Ireland. This is considerably higher than the EU standard as it sought to protect the integrity of the Irish organic sector.

  These uniform Irish organic livestock standards were forwarded to the Irish Department of Agriculture in July 2000. Without any discussion or consultation with the certification bodies who represent the vast majority of organic producers in Ireland, the Department of Agriculture informed them that the EU minimum standard will be adopted as the Irish organic standard from 24 August 2000.

  Examples of this include:

    —  poultry production—EU Organic Standards:

      Max number per poultry house  4,800 broilers  3,000 laying hens;

    —  Irish Organic Standards:

      Max number per poultry house  2,000 broilers  1,000 laying hens;

    —  EU standards allow lambs to be sold as organic after only two months' organic management. Irish standards require organic lambs to be conceived and born on an organic farm which has undergone a two-year registered conversion period;

    —  EU standards allow the continued use of animal mutilations and confinements which are not permitted in the UK by either organic standards or within the various welfare schemes which we endorse.

  In the UK, UKROFS has approved a livestock standard based upon a document developed over many years. In the light of 1804/99, this was reviewed and agreed by the organic certification bodies who, earlier this year worked closely together under the Organic Livestock Standards Liaison Committee to produce a harmonised standard. Sainsbury's supported this initiative and would not wish that work to be undermined. The UKROFS Board has agreed to an annual review of this position and we hope that the agreed position will be allowed to continue and not be watered down.

  Sainsbury's is a strong supporter of IFOAM (International Federation of Organic and Agricultural Movements) and believe that this approach to setting international standards will resolve the issue of conflicting definitions.

2.  You also have concerns regarding the time-scales for compliance with requirements of the organic seed regulation (paras 4.9 to 4.13). The time-scale for the requirement that all seeds for organic crops are grown within an organic system by the end of 2003 is already a compromise on the original deadline set out in Regulation 2092/91. What deadline would you see as reasonable for the UK industry to be able to meet the requirements for the organic seed regulation? How are you working with farmers and growers to address this issue?

  As stated in para 4.12 we believe that derogated periods must be strictly maintained and closely monitored. However, the original time scales set were impractical. The current deadline of 2003 is reasonable for a proportion of the range of species and cultivars but still present difficulties to specific crops. A reasonable deadline would be to extend the derogation for certain crops and the Soil Association is working closely with the seed industry to identify the difficult species.

  In addition, Sainsbury's has written to all of its organic vegetable suppliers to ascertain the current position and forecast projection. We are represented on both the Soil Association and the Elm Farm Research Centre's organic seed steering groups. In addition we are in consultation with the seed producing and seed breeding industry in order to overcome these issues.

3.  What lessons do you draw from the difficulties over organic mushroom production (para 4.9 to 4.11)? Are such high levels of purity essential to either the reality or image of organic foods?

  All of our mushrooms are UK sourced. We recognise the specific differences in mushroom production when compared with other forms of agriculture or horticulture. Those differences are highlighted by the fact that mushroom growing is an intensive system wholly reliant on external inputs which organic standards seek to limit. The fact that mushroom compost undergoes a pasteurisation process is also a factor. One could question whether such a system should have been accepted within organic standards in the first place. But that conjecture must be balanced by the fact that there are organic mushroom producers who have developed within the requirements for organic standards over the last 20 years. Notwithstanding this, our organic mushroom producer accepts the requirement to use organic straw. The issue of purity is something that our customers refer to frequently and the prohibition of GMOs in organic farming is a good example. We would simply propose that the time taken to achieve that goal of organically grown straw needs to be put into practical context. Sainsbury's fully supports the proposal for a staged percentage increase through to 2006.

6 November 2000


 
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