Select Committee on Defence Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 120 - 125)

WEDNESDAY 8 DECEMBER 1999

AIR VICE-MARSHAL JOE FRENCH, GROUP CAPTAIN STEPHEN LLOYD AND BRIGADIER PHILIP WILDMAN

Mr Gapes

  120. A question for Air Vice-Marshal French: the JARIC targets for delivering intelligence assessments have changed from the current year. Rather than having separate targets for different priority tasks there is now this all-embracing target to meet 95% of requirements within specified times. Can you assure us that this does not mean a lower level of service to customers?
  (Air Vice-Marshal French) No, quite the opposite. There is nothing sinister in that at all. If you look at the document plan overall those specific details are in an annex or an appendix later on in the document. We were just looking to make those key targets look a little easier to digest rather than having tables of percentages.

  121. Can I ask something supplementary to the Kosovo questions earlier. Have the Kosovo operations prevented either the Military Survey or JARIC meeting their performance targets, even temporarily, and did you have to take any special steps to meet the increased work load as a result of Kosovo?
  (Group Captain Lloyd) I would not suggest there were special steps. We have a procedure which from the bottom up sheds one sort of tasking to absorb another sort of tasking and a balance is struck. That is a partnership that has worked in the customer group as to how we rearrange, if you like, the resource to meet the load. To address your question, that even temporarily did we fail a key target per se, it is correct to say that in the month of July I actually failed to meet one priority three task, one out of two priority three tasks. The way the maths is currently done—this is a lesson to me, it is probably erroneous. In priority one I had 100% success rate in support of operations; in priority two I had 100% success rate for operations and at priority three because I failed one or two I had a 50% success. If you do a rough average across those figures it takes me below the line. That is probably over-simplistic. Over the year—my key target is set across the year—I have every confidence that I will exceed that key target and service delivery to my customers.

  (Brigadier Wildman) In key target terms, no, but clearly as with JARIC we have a process whereby we can agree temporarily to suspend tasks that are of lower priority than the immediate. There was production which was impacted, particularly in reproduction which was mostly impacted, over a period of about a couple of months. Measures that we generally take in those circumstances, which we take in these, firstly if we want to beef up our output people will work extra hours—overtime comes in and that sort of thing. We can catch up afterwards by using a balance of overtime, contract and other such things. Our aim would be to get back on track two to three months afterwards, which we have been broadly able to do. There is always an immediate impact of some sort, yes.

  122. The memorandum from the MoD said that the JARIC 3% failure target could not be sustained during Kosovo. Obviously we understand that things might be under pressure but would it not be helpful if you were able to argue that in fact the extra work you did in Kosovo was an efficiency gain in a sense?
  (Brigadiere Wildman) I am not sure exactly where the precise words in the piece of paper you have come from because it is not a statement that I myself have made. It is true to say that had Kosovo continued and the increased costs of operation, which is a legitimate means of charging operations, it is quite possible that in those circumstances I would have overspent by the amount of the expenditure on that operation. It is a matter of interpretation in that regard, but the fact that I am spending additional money to meet an additional task, yes, there is a potential case for enhancement in the future.

  123. The reference is actually on the table of the key targets at the bottom, where it says, "Performance. Key target 3 has been exceeded and key target 4 could not be sustained during Kosovo." That is the MoD memorandum and attached to the back of it—
  (Air Vice-Marshal French) Yes, I see the words.

Chairman

  124. Perhaps you could drop us a note?
  (Air Vice-Marshal French) Yes. This is obviously not chiming with us.

  125. Check with head office and let us know. Thank you so much and thanks to the staff for staying on longer than normal. It has really been very interesting and maybe we will see one of you again when we get on to our inquiry into Kosovo.
  (Air Vice-Marshal French) We look forward to that. Thank you.

  Chairman: Thank you so much.





 
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