Select Committee on Defence Minutes of Evidence



MEMORANDUM FROM BY THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS DEFENCE COMMITTEE ON 20 APRIL 2000

1.   Question: The document highlights a "Core Competence" and "Public Sector Option" models to replace the previously envisaged "Reliance" approach. What other models were proposed by those involved in the previous consultation exercise, or were otherwise raised within the MoD, and on what grounds were such alternative approaches not taken forward into the current consultation exercise?

  2.  The current "Core Competence" and "Public Sector Option" models have evolved as a result of detailed work carried out since consultation and have been successively refined to try and address the issues raised. The consultation document describes the versions of these models identified as offering the greatest potential benefits. During the study a number of additional concepts for the future of DERA were considered. Five possible models, including Core Competence and Public Sector Option, were considered in detail. The three models described below were rejected, as it was apparent after further analysis that they would fail to meet significant PPP objectives.

    —  Variety Pack. This would have broken up the current DERA into a number of individual components. Possibly based on the existing DERA sectors, each of which could have been sold separately. A number of areas would have been retained within MoD for strategic reasons. Those elements to be sold would have been too small to float as independent companies and it was likely that most of the interest would have come from existing defence contractors. This would have created a significant potential conflict of interest. Although the approach would have seen some degree of technology transfer and would have raised a receipt, it would destroy much of the synergy within DERA and would not provide the wider benefit to the UK economy specified in the PPP objectives. The limited numbers of potential buyers for individual pieces of DERA made it unlikely that this approach would offer good value for money. Breaking up DERA in this way was also likely to impact on the overall level of service to customers. The costs of restructuring, redundancies and site closures under this option could have been significant.

    —  FFRDC. An option based on the US concept of Federally Funded Research and Development Centres. An FFRDC is a privately operated organisation contracted to a sponsoring government department to provide a specific long term research or development product, which is otherwise unobtainable from other federal or private organisations. They may not seek or compete for work with the private sector, their work often being awarded to them on a sole source basis from their sponsor. An FFRDC structure would offer significantly fewer freedoms than DERA's current status and would consequently not offer solutions to the problems that the organisation is likely to face over the next few years.

    —  Employee PPP (e.PPP) Retention of DERA as a single entity in the public sector, but with a change in status. The approach proposed would have created a PLC with a substantial proportion of the shares allocated to staff. The employee share scheme would have been complex to establish and raised a number of financial, legal and administrative issues. An e.PPP would not have added significantly to operational, employment practices, pay or funding freedoms that DERA currently operates with as a trading fund. The proposal to establish a share scheme might be perceived as signalling a longer-term aim to move to privatisation, which was likely to be a concern for some stakeholders.

  3.  Additional work was also carried out to re-examine whether the existing DERA trading fund structure was capable of addressing the challenges likely to be faced by DERA and to meet the other wider PPP objectives. This concluded that without the capital and the freedoms offered by the PPP, DERA will decline as a force in science and technology over the longer term. The Government believes this would not be in the best interests of the Nation's future security or the taxpayer. The PPP also offers an opportunity to harness the UK taxpayer's substantial investment in technology within DERA to the benefit of the UK economy as a whole and give British industry, both defence and non-defence, a real competitive edge in the increasingly global market place.

4.   Question: In the MoD's view, what were the specific potential weaknesses in the Reliance model that the Core Competence approach will avoid, and in what practical ways will the Core Competence model avoid the potential shortcomings?

  5.  The Reliance option would have transferred most of the current DERA into the private sector to form a new type of company which had a special relationship with MoD. Staff would not have been civil servants and would be working in an organisation that had obligations to external shareholders. The proposal envisaged an onerous compliance regime, which combined with the organisation's special status, would ensure that MoD and stakeholders could place full trust in the new company. Only a small number of staff would be retained within MoD. The maintenance of collaborative science and technology relationships between MoD, international allies and industry is a major PPP objective and consultation with stakeholders on Reliance identified a number of potential risks to such programmes. Two key areas of concern were highlighted. Firstly, that the duty of staff to external shareholders would create a potential conflict of interest within an organisation that included many sensitive areas of defence technology or that provided advice in areas where impartiality was of overriding importance. Secondly, that the special relationship between the company and MoD might create a risk that privileged government-only information would pass between the two organisations and would not be adequately protected. As described in the current consultation document, the Core Competence model would address these concerns by retaining the most sensitive areas of work wholly within MOD and by providing a clear separation between the two newly created organisations.

6.   Question: Since the extension of the consultation exercise was announced by Ministers on 26 October 1999, what discussions have MoD officials and Ministers had with the US Administration, DoD and other US authorities about the public-private partnership?

  7.  Discussions at Ministerial level are recorded below. Senior officials have held numerous detailed discussions with their US counterparts, many of these have taken place as part of meetings or visits which have been primarily focused on other topics. Consequently, it is not practicable to keep records of all such discussions. However, discussions on PPP have involved the following senior MoD officials: the Principal Finance Officer; the Chief Scientific Advisor; the Deputy Under Secretary for Science and Technology; the Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff for Equipment Capability; the Chief of Defence Procurement and the Chief Executive of the DERA. The DERA Partnering Team has had extensive and continuing discussions with Dr Craig Dorman and his colleagues (appointed by the DoD as a focal point for PPP).

  8.  In addition, the following Ministerial meetings have taken place since 26 October 1999:

    —  Secretary of State for Defence, the Right Honourable Geoff Hoon, met with the Hon John Hamre, the Deputy Secretary of State for Defence on 27-28 January 2000.

    —  Minister for Defence Procurement, Baroness Symons, has met with the following US representatives to discuss the DERA public private partnership proposals:

    —  Dr C Dorman, the Chief Scientist of the Office of Naval Research (ONR) and representatives of the US intelligence community, on 22 November 1999, in London.

    —  Hon John Hamre, the Deputy Secretary for Defence in Washington on 29 February 2000, and then again in London on 22 March 2000.

    —  Baroness Symons has also had telephone conversations with John Hamre, and David Oliver, the Principle Deputy Under Secretary of Defence Acquisition and Technology, on this subject.

9.   Question: What parts of DERA does the MoD anticipate being retained within the Department under the Core Competence model, and what numbers of staff would be involved in each of these DERA organisations?

  The Core Competence model envisages that MoD is likely to retain the following elements of the current DERA organisation:

    —  Chemical and Biological Defence (CBD) Sector (720 personnel[1])***

    —  Defence Research Information Centre (DRIC) (50 personnel1)

    —  Defence Radiological Protection Service (DRPS) (90 personnel[2])

    —  All of the capabilities and the majority of the staff for the Centre for Defence Analysis (CDA)

    —  ***

    —  Sufficient staff to provide a high level overview across the whole spectrum of science and technology currently addressed by DERA, ensuring the provision of impartial advice and systems research capability (work is currently underway to identify the number of personnel to be extracted into RDERA[3])

10.   Question: In which activity areas of the current DERA, and in which sites, will there have to be divisions of staff and facilities between New DERA and Retained DERA?

  11.  The detailed identification of staff within the current DERA organisation who would be extracted into Retained DERA has yet to be completed. However, it is clear that, for MoD to retain an ability to provide a high level overview across the whole spectrum of science and technology currently addressed by DERA, where functional groups are not transferring wholly into the public-sector organisation, a subset of the technical staff would be retained. Currently, only CBD, ***, DRIC and DRPS are to be retained in their entirety.

  12.  The impact this division of staff would have on geographical location is currently being examined and is clearly dependent on the outcome of the detailed analysis of which staff are to be transferred to the retained organisation. Initially, there would be a high degree of collocation, with staff from both New and Retained DERA being present on most sites, although established separately.

13.   Question: What measures will there be to protect the terms and conditions of staff assigned to NewDERA, and what choice will staff have about which of the "New" or "Retained" organisations they will join?

  14.  Core Competence will be structured in such a way as to ensure that the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations (TUPE) would apply so safeguarding the existing terms and conditions of employment for those members of staff transferring to NewDERA. The terms of the revised pension arrangements for transferring staff will be broadly comparable to those of the Principal Civil Service Pension Scheme (PCSPS) and will be certified by the Government Actuary's Department.

  15.  NewDERA and RDERA must be viable organisations with the correct blend of capabilities, a clear vision and a sustainable career path for their respective employees. MoD will continue to take full account of the views of DERA staff and Trades Unions and will aim to accommodate individual preferences wherever possible.

16.   Question: What restrictions—qualitative and quantitative—does the MoD envisage on the potential foreign ownership and individual ownership of NewDERA?

  17.  As a very significant supplier of science and technology to MoD for the foreseeable future the provision of high quality, impartial and high integrity advice would remain at the core of NewDERA's business and the company would therefore have a strong commercial incentive to protect its independence and integrity through internal processes, values and culture. A compliance framework would be required in order to provide additional assurance that the company can continue to supply appropriate services. This would include the retention of a Special Share which would allow shareholding restrictions to be placed on NewDERA through the Article of Association. This might possibly include a restriction on foreign ownership and a maximum limit on individual shareholdings, although this has yet to be decided and will be the subject of further detailed work.

18.   Question: What are the main DERA sites and facilities? Which of these will be designated as "strategic assets" under the terms of the current proposals? What measures will be put in place to protect such assets, what restrictions will be placed on their disposal, and what financial clawback arrangements will be used in the event of such disposals?

  19.  The following sites currently have 250 or more DERA staff: Aberporth, Boscombe Down, Bedford, Chertsey, Fort Halstead, Farnborough, Malvern, Portsdown West, Porton Down, Pyestock, Winfrith.

  20.  The following existing facilities within DERA currently receive special attention as strategic assets:

  ***

  MSS Sector  Bedford High Speed Wind Tunnels

  ***

  Test & Evaluation Ranges (Land)  Shoeburyness Demil

  ***

  21.  NewDERA would retain the majority of DERA's existing capabilities and assets, although detailed work is ongoing to determine the precise make-up. As a part of the compliance framework MoD would retain the right, through a Special Share, to revert certain named strategic assets to public ownership under exceptional circumstances, which might include the company's insolvency. The final list of designated strategic assets has yet to be determined as a part of the detailed structuring of the PPP.

22.   Question: What evidence can you provide that industry have accepted the safeguards concerning the exploitation of Intellectual Property Rights that are envisaged under the Core Competence approach?

  23.  MoD has and will continue to actively consult with industry through organisations such as the National Defence Industry Council (NDIC) and the Association of Independent Research and Technology Organisations (AIRTO).

  24.  Throughout, industry has expressed a clear wish that the PPP approach to be adopted should continue to fully protect its intellectual property and provide confidence that MoD procurement decisions are underpinned by impartial scientific advice and analysis. The retention of key advice-integration activities within MoD, in addition to a robust contractual framework that would ensure that NewDERA could only use intellectual property for the purpose for which it was supplied, should largely meet these concerns.

  On 9 March 2000 the Chairman of the DIC, Sir Ralph Robins, wrote to the Minister of State for Defence Procurement underlining discussions at the preceding NDIC where industry broadly welcomed the Core Competence model and indicated a willingness to work closely alongside MoD to address any issues of concern that may arise during implementation. [4]

25.   Question: How does the MoD envisage the incorporation and flotation of NewDERA being managed and to what approximate timescales? What role is seen for "strategic financial investors" before any flotation, including whether they would provide advice or take up shares in NewDERA (and if so, in what proportion)?

  26.  Subject to the outcome of consultation, the process would be managed as follows. DERA would be restructured to separate out information relating to the retained elements from those activities which would form the NewDERA company, followed by a separation of management and staff to allow the two organisations to operate in shadow form. It would then be possible to incorporate NewDERA as a plc within the public sector. This would be a transitional phase prior to flotation, which might take place in 2001. The decision on whether to seek a strategic financial investor will depend on progress following the operational separation of the organisations. Such an investor could introduce additional commercial disciplines and provide assistance in preparing for the flotation. The investor would take up shares in the NewDERA plc, but no decision has yet been taken on the size of the stake that would be offered.

27.   Question: Why have you proposed a two stage approach, rather than a simultaneous or near-simultaneous incorporation and flotation? What are the advantages of a flotation as compared to one or more private treaty sales?

  28.  As identified in the Consultation Document, the preferred route would be a flotation which would potentially allow NewDERA to be established as an independent science and technology company. Although NewDERA would retain the majority of DERA's core capabilities and would therefore continue under its current business model, it will not have a track record of operating in its new form. The two-stage approach is helpful in demonstrating its effectiveness as an organisation to investors prior to flotation. The development of the NewDERA organisation will be kept under review, and the option to sell a proportion of the company to a strategic financial investor as part of the flotation process has been kept open. The requirement to do this would be dependent on a number of factors, not least the state of the market and its view of technology stocks at the time. Such a sale would allow a period of consolidation and growth prior to a future offering on the stock market.

  29.  A private sale is a less attractive option, as the most likely bidders would be defence contractors or related companies, creating a potential conflict of interest within an organisation which, although not containing the most sensitive areas of technologies, includes many capabilities of significant importance to MoD. Depending on the strength of the investment case that can be developed for NewDERA it is also probable that a flotation would offer better value to the taxpayer than a private sale.

30.   Question: How will the Defence Diversification Agency fit into the proposed new arrangements?

  31.  A major objective for the PPP has been to encourage links between civil and defence technology and to unlock the technology that currently exists within DERA. This aligns closely with the aims set for the Defence Diversification Agency, which is part of the current DERA. No final decision has been taken on how the DDA will interact with the two new organisations and this issue will be addressed in detail following the results of consultation.


1  Approximate figures based on the current establishment. Back
2  Approximate figure based on a proportion of the current establishment. Back
3  Although exact numbers of personnel for each Retained DERA element have still to be identified, the retained organisation will have fewer than 3,000 staff. Back
4  p 35. Back

 
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