Select Committee on Home Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Annex

RESPONSE FROM JOHN RIPLEY (HAMPSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL, SOCIAL SERVICES)

  1.  Proposals to change the work and role of the Public Trust Office should be considered in the light of the proposed Incapacity Bill and the ongoing review of the Mental Health Act. Need to avoid decisions being made in haste and repented of at leisure. The service could be improved from within as far as possible until relevant new legislation is in place.

  2.  Monitoring role of the Public Trust Office is needed—probably more so now than at any other time—obvious demographic factors. Monitoring should be extended to effective oversight of EPAs (this should sit well with the Mental Incapacity Bill and the advent of the CPA). Underpinning these roles should be that of the Lord Chancellor's Visitor—Lord Irvine's eyes and ears. LCVs should continue to function as at present: impartial individuals with relevant experience/necessary skills—not attached to any other organisation eg the Benefits Agency, Social Services or even Voluntary Organisations (the local representative selected to visit may know the person or their family who are being visited and this may be inhibiting). Primary purpose should be to visit client in her/his surroundings as soon as possible, preferably before a Receivership Order is made or an EPA is registered. The LCV might usefully be involved in the process of serving notice on the Client, certainly as far as Receivership is concerned.

  Number of LCVs would need to be expanded and care taken in appointing them. They will need appropriate skills. May need some training.

  Training needs for Public Trust Office staff in exercising increased monitoring role. Important that staff are enabled, at least from time to time, to meet clients and carers.

  3.  If Public Trust Office is no longer to act as Receiver of last resort then alternative potential Receivers need to be identified as soon as possible and accredited. Training implications for voluntary organisations and solicitors. Dangers of acting too quickly on this.

  If Receivers who are currently operating well are to be considered for taking on cases where Public Trust would normally act as Receiver then the resource implications need to be considered urgently.

  Receivership work is labour intensive at the best of times and in these Receivership Division cases many are probably very different, complex, and requiring a higher staffing ratio. (Does this partly explain why Receivership Division has historically run at "loss" compared with Protection Division of the Public Trust Office, despite its enhanced fees?).

  If the new service for these last resort cases is to work well it will need to be realistically costed and funded either entirely from the public purse, entirely from the client's means, or a combination of both. Grasping the funding nettle is vital.

  Whilst perhaps in an ideal world no charges would be made to the individuals for this service, there is much to be said for levying an affordable fee from the person for whom the service is provided and who could reasonably be expected to pay.

  4.  We are very concerned about the plight of those incapacitated persons who have limited means—eg capital below £10/£16K. Chant recommendation that these should no longer be subject to Receivership Order. How is a 3rd party to manage these and how will the work be funded if no family or friends to carry out role? If subject to a Short Order from Public Trust Office/Court of Protection the order should, if necessary, provide for costs to be taken. These should be affordable. NB £200 commencement fee (+£73 fee due to Doctor for medical evidence) may be unacceptably high where savings involved are only £2-£3K.

  We believe that a new fee structure should take account of these more modest cases with reduced fees applying. At present where fees are relatively high on small estates potential applicants are discouraged from using Public Trust Office/Court of Protection and therefore incapacitated person may be unable to access their savings. A way around this unacceptable situation needs to be sought.

  Need for an "evolving" order which would assist the above situation. Suggest a new form of Appointeeship with powers over savings up to a certain level, a Short Order if necessary to deal with further savings and which might convert to a Receivership Order if extent of funds, complexities of issues demand this.

  Where Short Orders are made by the Public Trust Office/Court of Protection these clients should also be visited by the LCV. They are not usually at present.

31 March 2000


 
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