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Mr. Breed: Will the Minister give way?
Mr. Meacher: I cannot take any more interventions, but I am just coming to the hon. Gentleman's contribution. I was pleased that he said that there were some excellent policies in the rural White Paper. He spoke of quality parish councils, which we support. If they are to take on extra powers and responsibilities, they must show that they have the necessary skills. We are giving £2 million to strengthen training and support for those parish councils, and £5 million to help 1,000 communities develop their own village or town plan and carry it through. That is extremely important.
My hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mr. Bradley) made a speech that was clearly unpopular with the Opposition, because in many respects it got in the way of their fantasy that until 1997 everything was fine and dandy in the countryside, and since then it has all fallen apart.
The hon. Member for Cotswold rather unwisely criticised closures under the previous Labour Government. I will not go into the list of facts and figures that my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin produced about closures under the previous Tory Government, but they were at a considerably higher level than they are now.
I shall respond by letter to the hon. Member for Vale of York, as I want to spend just one minute on the excellent contributions of my hon. Friends the Members for Leeds, Central (Mr. Benn), for Harrow, West (Mr. Thomas) and for Tottenham on community initiatives, the need for support for the suburbs and the need to deal with social exclusion. Those are central issues, and my hon. Friends made constructive, thoughtful and analytical speeches--
It being half-past Two o'clock, the motion for the Adjournment of the House lapsed, without Question put.
SELECT CTTEES (JOINT MEETINGS)
- That, for the current Session of Parliament, Standing Order No. 152 (Select committees related to government departments) be amended as follows:
Line 37, before the word 'European' insert the words 'Environmental Audit Committee or with the'.
Line 46, before the word 'European' insert the words 'Environmental Audit Committee or with the'.
Line 48, at the end insert the words:--
'(4A) notwithstanding paragraphs (2) and (4) above, where more than two committees or sub-committees appointed under this order meet concurrently in accordance with paragraph (4)(e) above, the quorum of each such committee or sub-committee shall be two.'-- [Mr. Touhig.]
SITTINGS IN WESTMINSTER HALL
Order read for resuming adjourned debate on Question [23 January],
- That, following the Order [20th November 2000], Mr. Nicholas Winterton, Mr. John McWilliam, Mr. Barry Jones and Frank Cook be appointed to act as additional Deputy Speakers at sittings in Westminster Hall during this Session--[Mr. Touhig].
NORTHERN IRELAND GRAND COMMITTEE
- That--
1. The matter of human rights and equality in Northern Ireland, being a matter relating exclusively to Northern Ireland, be referred to the Northern Ireland Grand Committee;
2. The Committee shall meet at Westminster on Thursday 8th February at 2.30 p.m.; and
3. At that meeting--
(a) the Committee shall take questions for oral answer; and shall then consider the matter of human rights and equality in Northern Ireland, referred to it under paragraph (1) above;
(b) the Chairman shall interrupt proceedings at 5 p.m.; and
(c) at the conclusion of those proceedings a Motion for the adjournment of the Committee may be moved by a Minister of the Crown pursuant to Standing Order No. 116(5) (Northern Ireland Grand Committee (sittings)).--[Mr. Touhig.]
Volunteers
Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House do now adjourn.--[Mr. Touhig.]
2.30 pm
Mr. Bob Russell (Colchester): I have two objectives this afternoon. First, I wish is to place on record my appreciation of the nation's army of regular volunteers--perhaps as many as 3 million--who, in so many instances, are the unsung heroes of our nation. Secondly, I wish to encourage the Government to consider further ways to encourage the whole ethos of volunteering in today's society so that we can increase their number. After all, this is the international year of the volunteer.
It is difficult to be precise about how many people can be described as volunteers on a regular basis, but if my Colchester constituency is typical, it is likely to be about 4 per cent. of the adult population, with many others volunteering less frequently. What is a volunteer? The dictionary defines a volunteer as
- a person who offers to do something.
Without more volunteers, the number of voluntary organisations and the level of effort in our communities will decline. Society will be the poorer in every respect. Research by the National Centre for Volunteering estimates the contribution of volunteering to the national economy to be worth £41 billion every year. I am told that that makes volunteering the third largest element of Britain's gross domestic product.
When word got around that I had been successful in securing today's Adjournment debate on the role of volunteers in promoting social inclusion, I was flooded with messages and background briefings from a wide range of voluntary organisations--national as well as from my own constituency. I regret that I do not have time to do justice to all the submissions that I received. All expressed the view that volunteering in this country looks to the Government for help. They do not necessarily expect direct financial support, welcome though that would be for many, but vocal and visible leadership, expressions of support and encouragement and the creation of a more favourable climate for voluntary organisations.
Those voluntary organisations catering specifically for young people--including the Amateur Swimming Association, the Boys Brigade, the Girl Guides Association, the Scout Association, the National Association of Clubs for Young People and St. John Ambulance--are unanimous in their call that a £10 fee, to be introduced later this year by the Criminal Records Bureau to check on new volunteers, should be waived, as it has been in Scotland.
I could devote my whole debate to that single issue, but I shall refrain from doing so because it will shortly be the subject of an inquiry by the Select Committee on Home Affairs. However, I draw attention to early-day motion 101,
in my name, which has so far been signed by some 90 hon. Members on both sides of the House. It calls on the Government to follow the example of the Scottish Parliament and make the checks free in England and Wales, as they will be north of the border.I must declare an interest, as I am secretary of the parliamentary all-party scout group, and a member of the guide group. The Scout Association, which has 250,000 adult volunteers, estimates that fees to the Criminal Records Bureau will cost the movement about £750,000 every year. The association's chief executive, Mr. Derek Twine, states
- Recruiting volunteers is challenging enough without imposing the active disincentive of a personal joining charge. Independent research identifies that a charge of £10 for a disclosure fee would deter 60 per cent. of volunteers aged 19 to 21 and half the volunteers aged over 65. This would mean 42,000 less volunteers each year.
- The strength of guiding is that it is a neighbourhood based activity run by volunteer adults who live or work there. A local group is required to be financially self-sufficient, and this is a real challenge in many parts of the country. The resilience of local communities to support voluntary activity frequently goes without full recognition. Volunteer adults in guiding fulfil the equivalent of 6,500 full-time jobs.
The chief executive of the Boys Brigade, Mr. Sydney Jones, is reported to have said:
- The demands on adults from employers and families is much greater than before. Years ago, if you were involved with a youth group your employer would think it a great thing and give you time off. Now they take it as evidence that your commitment to the job is somewhat lacking.
Lack of volunteers is typified by the closure of the 4th Leigh Scouts in Pennington, Lancashire. The award- winning troupe, which had existed since 1916, disbanded at Christmas. Appeals for new leaders went unanswered. The local vicar, Rev. Peter Leakey, observed:
- People are much more wrapped up in their own pleasure and less willing to put themselves out for others.
We need to encourage more people to follow the excellent example of volunteers such as Mr. Tyrrell and to work not only on one or two days a year, welcome though such efforts are, but on a more regular basis. There is a place for the less regular volunteer, although it is to be hoped that the experience and personal fulfilment that are to be gained will encourage such people to do more in future.
Last June, the AXA group in the UK organised the AXA 2000 community challenge, whereby 2,800 employees were granted a day's paid leave to volunteer
to help in a wide range of community projects. There were 251 projects in total and each employee gave a second day of his or her own time. Several of the projects were in my constituency. Marks & Spencer's encouragement of volunteering is another example of best practice. It has provided 100-hour part-time secondments to community projects as one of the range of training and development options that is open to its staff. The secondments are a pioneering method of staff development that is linked with a voluntary community contribution. It is such initiatives that all companies, large and small, should encourage, and--dare I say it?--the Government should lead by example. Words are not enough; action is required.On 2 March last year the Prime Minister challenged employers at the active community convention to give all employees one day's paid time off to volunteer. Almost a year later, may I ask how many Departments have complied with the Prime Minister's challenge? How many staff at No. 10 have been given one day's paid time off to volunteer?
I know that the Government would like more volunteers. They have said so. Indeed, as recently as 11 January, a press release issued jointly by the Cabinet Office and the Home Office declared:
- A major package to encourage more people to get involved in their communities was announced by the Government today, and heralded by Chancellor Gordon Brown as the start of a unique transformation in relationships between the State and the voluntary sector.
So why are the Government so determined to suck £15 million every year away from the nation's established youth movements by introducing checking fees for volunteers? The fees are a tax on volunteering that operates through the Criminal Records Bureau. If the Prime Minister really wants an extra 1 million volunteers recruited, he should bear it in mind that that is not helping and that the likely outcome will be more social exclusion.
Those of us who reject the notion that there is no such thing as society are grateful that the current Government are at least aware of volunteers and that they express a desire to promote the concept of volunteering. But come on--they are spreading across the whole country the selective distribution of an extra £2 million a week on top of the combined £8 million that is currently provided by central Government, local government, health authorities and the national lottery. That must be put in the context of the value of volunteering to the nation, which is estimated at £40 billion a year.
We all agree that volunteers have a key role in promoting social inclusion. Mr. Nigel Hook, of the Central Council of Physical Recreation, told me:
- The Government must look to empower volunteers. It should now address the unfair tax system on volunteers. The Treasury takes four times as much money from sport in tax as it returns through grants from central and local government.
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In its consultation manifesto, "Towards an Active Britain", published last month, the CCPR said:
Volunteers contribute more to sport in this country than central government, local authorities and the National Lottery combined.
- Sport has a unique ability to make social inclusion policies work for those at risk of exclusion.
- Our 47,000 volunteers carry out over four million hours of community service every year and help over 200,000 casualties. If the number of these highly trained personnel decreases, then this will undoubtedly increase pressure on statutory providers of services. Many public events simply couldn't happen without the support of St John Ambulance and the attendance of our volunteers.
Although I have been active in Colchester life for more than 40 years, I never cease to be amazed by the variety of voluntary organisations that exist in Britain's oldest recorded town. For young and old, for those with disabilities, and with subject interests from the "A" of Age Concern to the "Y"--there is sadly no "Z"--of the YMCA foyer, the umbrella organisation Colchester Community Voluntary Services has more than 100 affiliated organisations. However, when it is noted, for example, that not a single scout or guide group is listed separately, even the impressive list held by the CCVS, headed by director Samantha Drummond, understates the true extent of volunteering in Colchester.
Furthermore, Colchester and District Sports Council has identified more than 60 different sports played in the area. In the words of its Secretary Nikki Richardson,
- the number of volunteers is considerable.
Mr. Bill Tucker, who was made an MBE for his half-century of voluntary service with Colchester organisations--he has also been granted the honorary freedom of the borough--told me:
- In general terms I do not think the younger people are coming forward as workers for the community; there is not the urge to serve the community. By and large I would say all organisations would welcome new blood.
I applaud Lord Falconer's comments at the volunteering seminar to which I referred. He said:
- Community groups are the bedrock of society. They are the social glue which binds people. The more people get involved the better it is for Britain. A Britain where people think not only of themselves but of others too. "We" as well as "me". A society where all can feel they can make a contribution. We are particularly keen to tap into the experience and energy of the over 50s.
- Volunteering and the voluntary sector play a crucial part in our society. They are the fabric and building blocks of our communities, both urban and rural. As such, the Government believe that it is vital to recognise the extent to which volunteers act almost as community glue. Volunteers are a sign of a healthy society.--[Official Report, Westminster Hall, 15 June 2000; Vol. 351, c. 273WH.]
Positive ways in which the Government could help voluntary organisations include amending the uniform business rate, requiring all local authorities to give maximum relief and exempting voluntary groups and clubs from paying VAT. How about grants to youth organisations to offset the cost of hiring school and church halls for meetings?
People do not do voluntary work for the money. At best some of their expenses may be covered, but there can be few volunteers who are not out of pocket. When I was elected a councillor 30 years ago, we received no allowances. That was wrong, but I think the allowances councillors receive now are much too high, and that is equally wrong. It also contrasts with the unfair treatment of an army of volunteers who beaver away in their communities, often putting in more hours than councillors.
Although payment for volunteers is the last thing I want, I feel that some financial recognition for the expenses they incur would not go amiss. Will the Minister and his colleagues consider allowing a tax allowance for regular volunteers, as a recognition of the valuable contribution that they make to society? It is only a suggestion. I have not considered the details, and I acknowledge that the process might not be straightforward; I merely ask for the concept to be considered.
Each place in a young offenders institution costs about £20,000 a year. We know that most prisoners began their life of crime when young. The cost to the public purse of keeping 40 adults in prison for a year is £1 million. If we could encourage more people to volunteer--I suggest that a tax break could make the necessary difference for cash-strapped people who are currently deterred from volunteering for financial reasons--the payback to society would be more than achieved. Fewer young people would drift into anti-social ways in the first place, because, with more volunteers running clubs and other organisations, there would be more outlets enabling them to occupy their time and energies productively.
I have tried to cover a lot of ground, but although I may have spoken for longer than I should have, I do not think I have done justice to volunteers and voluntary organisations. I hope that there will be another opportunity for that to be done; in the meantime, I trust that the Government will give serious consideration to the points I have raised.
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