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Page 796 2001-2002 Volume 258 [No. 198.] Monday 4th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
The Lords have agreed to the Animal Health Bill, with Amendments; to which they desire the agreement of this House. The Lords insist on certain of their Amendments to the Enterprise Bill to which this House has disagreed; they do not agree with an Amendment made by this House to one of their Amendments, for which disagreement they assign a Reason; they agree without Amendment to the Amendments made by this House in lieu of certain of the Lords Amendments; and they agree without Amendment to the Amendment made by this House to the remaining Lords Amendment.
Consideration of Lords Amendments 1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall be completed at today's sitting and shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) at Ten o'clock. 2. Those proceedings shall be taken in the order shown in the first column of the following Table and each part of the proceedings shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) at the time specified in the second column of the Table.
Subsequent stages 3. Any further Message from the Lords may be considered forthwith without any Question put. 4. Proceedings on any further Message from the Lords shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) one hour after their commencement—(Dan Norris):—It was agreed to. Page 797 Monday 4th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
Lords Amendment No. 26. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr David Hinchliffe); And it being half-past Eight o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question pursuant to Order [this day]. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Kevin Brennan, Jonathan Shaw: 344. Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Laurence Robertson: 145. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order, proceeded to put forthwith the remaining Questions necessary to dispose of the proceedings to be concluded at that hour. Lords Amendments Nos. 32 to 36 and 66 were disagreed to. Amendments ((a) to (z) and (aa) to (uu)) were made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 26, 32 to 36 and 66 disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 25, 27 to 31 and 37 to 40 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 1. Lords Amendment No. 41. Amendments ((a) to (c)) were made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 42 and 43 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 44 was disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 45 was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendment No. 46. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 47 was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendments Nos. 48 and 49 were disagreed to. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 44, 48 and 49, disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 50 to 57 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 58. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 59 and 60 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 61. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 62 to 65 and 67 to 92 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 93. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 94 and 95 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 96. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 97 to 107 were agreed to. Page 798 Monday 4th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-nine minutes past Ten o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.29 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 1st November 2002 (Non-sitting Friday, S.O. No. 12) pursuant to Standing Order No. 158 (Presentation of command papers):
Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 1st November 2002 (Non-sitting Friday, S.O. No. 12) pursuant to Standing Order No. 159 (Presentation of statutory instruments): Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Social Security, Statutory Maternity Pay and Statutory Sick Pay (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, 2690), dated 30th October 2002 [Mr Secretary Smith].
(2) Town and Country Planning (Enforcement Notices and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2682), dated 23rd October 2002 [Mr Secretary Prescott]. Page 799 Monday 4th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
(2) Town and Country Planning (Enforcement) (Hearings Procedure) (England) Rules 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2684), and (3) Town and Country Planning (Enforcement) (Inquiries Procedure) (England) Rules 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2686) dated 23rd October [Mr Secretary Prescott]. Papers presented or laid upon the Table on Monday 4th November 2002: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Transfer of Functions (Transport , Local Government and the Regions) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2626), dated 22nd October 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
Other Papers:
(2) Paper, the General Medical Practice and Specialist Medical Education, Training and Qualifications Order 2003: Consultation Document [by Command] [Mr Secretary Milburn].
(1) PFI refinancing update, and (2) Opra: Tackling the risks to pension scheme members [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 1288 and 1262] [Clerk of the House].
APPENDIX II Standing Committees
(1) The Speaker has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Regulations, in place of Mr Joe Benton; and Page 800 Monday 4th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top (2) The Committee of Selection has discharged Kate Hoey from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Roger Casale.
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Twenty-sixth Report from the Committee [Scrutiny of Bills: Final Progress Report], together with Appendices; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1295] [Jean Corston].
(2) Sixty-fifth Report from the Committee [Awarding the new licence to run the National Lottery]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 881]; (3) Sixty-sixth Report from the Committee [Progress in achieving Government on the Web]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 936]; and (4) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Individual Learning Accounts]; to be printed [No. 1296-i] [Mr Edward Leigh].
[No. 199.] Tuesday 5th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
I have received your Addresses praying that the Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (The United States of America) Order 2002 and the Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Lithuania) Order 2002 be made in the form of the drafts laid before your House on 22nd and 23rd July respectively. I will comply with your request.
Lords Message considered accordingly. Resolved, That this House concurs with the Lords in their Resolution. Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith. Page 801 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
Lords Message considered accordingly. Resolved, That this House concurs with the Lords in their Resolution. Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
The Lords have agreed, without Amendment, to the Amendments made by this House in lieu of certain of the Lords Amendments to the Adoption and Children Bill, and they agree, without Amendment, to the Amendments made by this House to the remaining Lords Amendments.
Consideration of Lords Amendments 1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall be completed at today's sitting and shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion six hours after their commencement or, if later, at ten o'clock. 2. Those proceedings shall be taken in the order shown in the first column of the Table below and shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) in accordance with the second column of that Table.
Subsequent stages 3. Any further Message from the Lords may be considered forthwith without any Question put. 4. The proceedings on any further message from the Lords shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement—(Mr Ivor Caplin):—It was agreed to.
Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 13 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 14. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 15 and 237 were agreed to. Page 802 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top Lords Amendment No. 17. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Beverley Hughes); And it being two and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day]. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 304. Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mr Mark Hoban: 183. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. Lords Amendment No. 28. Amendments ((a) and (b)) were made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments No. 19 was disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 20. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Beverley Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 263. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Jeremy Corbyn: 96. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 25 and 26 were disagreed to. Amendments ((a) and (b)) were made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 19, 25 and 26 disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 38 was disagreed to. Amendments ((a) to (e)) were made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords Amendment No. 39 was disagreed to. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords Amendments Nos. 41, 42 and 44 were disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 18, 21 to 24, 27, 29 to 37, 40 and 43 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privilege in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 24 36, 37 and 40. Lords Amendment No. 104. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Secretary Blunkett); And it being three and a quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question:—It was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. Lords Amendments Nos. 105 and 106 were disagreed to. An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 104 to 106 disagreed to, in page 34, line 13, at the end, to insert the words— ‘(3A) A person shall be presumed to have been convicted by a final judgement of a particularly serious crime and to constitute a danger to the community of the United Kingdom if— (a) he is convicted of an offence specified by order of the Secretary of State, or (b) he is convicted outside the United Kingdom of an offence and the Secretary of State certifies that in his opinion the offence is similar to an offence specified by order under paragraph (a). Page 803 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top (3B) An order under subsection (3A)— (a) must be made by statutory instrument, and (b) shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament.'.—(Mr John Heppell.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Derek Twigg: 307. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Annette Brooke: 51. So the Question was agreed to. Other Amendments ((b) to (e)) were made in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 104 to 106 disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 109 was disagreed to. Amendments ((a) to (d)) were made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords Amendments Nos. 107 and 108 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 84. An Amendment ((b)) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 7, to leave out from the word ‘is' to the word ‘after' in line 8 and insert the words ‘satisfied that there was undue delay in making the claim', instead thereof.—(Simon Hughes.) And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made to the Lords Amendment; And it being three and three-quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Sir Robert Smith, Tom Brake: 57. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe, Joan Ryan: 297. So the Question was negatived. The Deputy Speaker then proceeded to put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. The Lords Amendment was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendment No. 99 was disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 86. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment No. 86; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Gillian Merron, Mr Fraser Kemp: 291. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Tom Brake: 55. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendment No. 127. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Beverley Hughes); And it being five and a quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question:—It was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly agreed to. The Deputy Speaker put the remaining Questions which she was required to put at that hour. Lords Amendments Nos. 128 to 153 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 154. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr John Heppell); Page 804 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Gillian Merron: 298. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Tom Brake: 59. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 155 and 156 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 157. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr John Heppell); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Gillian Merron: 294. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Tom Brake: 62. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 158 to 191 and 215 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 179, 190, 214 and 215. Lords Amendment No. 16. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, that this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Beverley Hughes); And it being Ten o'clock, the Speaker put the Question:—It was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. Lords Amendment No. 225. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment, as amended; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Jim Murphy: 301. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Tom Brake: 62. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment, as amended, was accordingly agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 45, 88, 126, 192, 216 and 224 were disagreed to. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House agrees with the Lords in their remaining Amendments—(Beverley Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Jim Murphy, Charlotte Atkins: 299. Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, John Thurso: 57. So the Question was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 46 to 83, 85, 87, 89 to 98, 100 to 103, 110 to 125, 193 to 214, 217 to 223, 226 to 236 and 238 to 311 were accordingly agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 48, 85, 102, 214 and 276. Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 16, 17, 20, 41, 42, 44, 45, 88, 99, 126, 192, 216 and 224; That Mr Barry Gardiner, Mr John Heppell, Beverley Hughes, Mr Humfrey Malins and Mr Desmond Swayne be members of the Committee; That Beverley Hughes be Chairman of the Committee; That Three be the Quorum of the Committee; That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—(Dan Norris.) Page 805 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
Lords Amendments Nos. 1 and 176 to 186. Resolved, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendments.—(Miss Melanie Johnson.) Amendments ((a) and (b)) were made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendments Nos. 1 and 176 to 186 disagreed to. Lords Amendment No. 2. Resolved, That this House does not insist on its Amendment No. 2A to Lords Amendment No. 2, to which the Lords have disagreed.—(Miss Melanie Johnson.) An Amendment was made to the Lords Amendment, in lieu of Amendment No. 2A disagreed to, in line 2, by leaving out from the word ‘OFT' to the end of line 3 and inserting the words ‘shall have regard, in addition to any relevant general guidance as to the governance of public bodies, to such generally accepted principles of good corporate governance as it is reasonable to regard as applicable to the OFT', instead thereof.
The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 16, 45, 88, 126, 192, 216 and 224 made by the Lords for the following Reason: Because the power to make consequential and incidental provision should not be restricted in the manner proposed. The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 17 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because it is unnecessary to restrict the power to establish an accommodation centre in the terms proposed. The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 20 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because the power to provide accommodation in an accommodation centre should not be restricted in the manner proposed. The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 41 and 42 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because the Amendment is consequential on Amendment No. 25, to which the Commons have disagreed. The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 44 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because the Amendment is consequential on Amendments Nos. 25 and 26, to which the Commons have disagreed. The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 99 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because it would alter the financial arrangements made by the Commons, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient. The Reasons were agreed to. Message to the Lords, to communicate the said Reasons, together with the Bill and Amendments.
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(1) residents of Gloucester and others for further controls on public firework displays and on the sale of fireworks; (2) ‘Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products; and (3) residents of Lowestoft restricting the period during which fireworks can be sold for private use were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
(1) ‘Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products; and (2) residents of Hayes and others for further controls on the use and sale of fireworks were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-one minutes to midnight, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 11.39 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(2) Report and Accounts of the Sea Fish Industry Authority for 2001–02 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].
(1) Tenth Report of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, Session 2001–02, on Ordnance Survey; (2) Thirteenth Report of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, Session 2001–02, on The Planning Green Paper; (3) Fifteenth Report of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, Session 2001–02, on the Draft Local Government Bill; and Page 807 Tuesday 5th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top (4) Sixteenth Report of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, Session 2001–02, on Tall Buildings [by Command] [Cm. 5641, 5625, 5638 and 5649] [Mr Secretary Prescott]. Papers withdrawn:
APPENDIX II Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Twelfth Report from the Committee [FCO Annual Report], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 826]; and (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Turkey]; to be printed [No. 1300] [Donald Anderson].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [The Autumn Meetings of the IMF and the World Bank]; to be printed [No. 1297-i] [Tony Baldry].
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[No. 199; WH, No. 118.] Tuesday 5th November 2002. The House sitting in Westminster Hall [pursuant to Order of 20th November 2000]. The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 1.58 p.m. [No. 200.] Wednesday 6th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
That the draft Regulatory Reform (Removal of 20 Member Limit in Partnerships etc.) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 24th October 2002, should be approved. The Committee came to this Resolution without a Division.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
The Lords have amended their Standing Order No. 51 relating to the Joint Committee on Consolidation Bills by substituting for the reference to the Northern Ireland Act 1974 a reference to the Northern Ireland Act 2000.
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Consideration of Lords Amendments 1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion six hours after their commencement or at Ten o'clock, whichever is later. 2. Those proceedings shall be taken in the order shown in the first column of the Table below and shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) in accordance with the second column of that Table.
Subsequent stages 3.—(1) Any further Message from the Lords on the Bill shall be considered forthwith without any Question put. (2) The proceedings on any further Message from the Lords shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement—(Mr Elliot Morley):—It was agreed to.
Lords Amendment No. 1. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Elliot Morley); And it being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day]. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Phil Woolas: 314. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 190. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendment No. 1 disagreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 2 to 12 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 5, 7 and 11. Lords Amendment No. 13. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Elliot Morley); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Derek Twigg: 283. Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 178. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. It being three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker proceeded to put the Questions which he was required to put at that hour. Page 810 Wednesday 6th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top Lords Amendment No. 45. The Question being put, That Amendments (a) and (b) be made to the Lords Amendment; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Derek Twigg: 292. Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 174. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendment No. 14. An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 8, to leave out from the word ‘warrant' to the end of line 16.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made; And it being five hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Speaker put the Question:—It was agreed to. The Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour. The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 22. An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 8, to leave out from the word ‘warrant' to the end of line 16.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Gillian Merron: 297. Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 172. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 35. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Lords Amendments Nos. 15 to 21, 23 to 34 and 36 to 44 were agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 46 was agreed to. Lords Amendment No. 47. An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, to leave out lines 12 to 29.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Gillian Merron: 286. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Francois, Mr David Wilshire: 164. So the Question was agreed to. It being more than six hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Speaker put the Questions which he was required to put at that hour. The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges. Lords Amendment No. 65. An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment. The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to. Page 811 Wednesday 6th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top Lords Amendments Nos. 48 to 64 and 66 to 74 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 49. Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendment No. 13; That Mr Nick Ainger, Andrew George, Mr John Hayes, Mr Elliot Morley and Mr Andy Reed be members of the Committee; That Mr Elliot Morley be Chairman of the Committee; That Three be the Quorum of the Committee; That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—(Mr Phil Woolas.)
(1) residents of Somerton and Frome and others against a pre-emptive war against Iraq; (2) residents of Taunton and others for the making available of all drugs to all patients on the basis of clinical need alone; and (3) ‘Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 13 made by the Lords, for the following Reason: Because it would be inappropriate to terminate automatically a restriction on the movement of animals. Message to the Lords, to communicate the said Reason, together with the Bill and Amendments.
The Deputy Speaker suspended the sitting until a message was received from the Lords, pursuant to Order [29th October].
The Lords do not insist on one of their Amendments to which this House has disagreed to the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill, but do propose an Amendment in lieu thereof; they agree to the Amendments made by this House to certain other Lords Amendments; they do not insist on certain other Amendments to which this House has disagreed; they agree to the Amendments proposed by this House in lieu of certain other Lords Amendments; and they agree to the Amendments proposed by this House to words restored to the Bill by this House's disagreement to certain other Lords Amendments. The Lords agree without Amendment to the Amendments proposed by this House in lieu of one of the Lords Amendments to the Enterprise Bill; they agree without Amendment to the Amendment made by this House to another Lords Amendment; and they do not insist on the remaining Lords Amendments.
And the Question being put; Resolved, That this House do now adjourn. And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till a quarter to midnight, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 11.45 p.m. Page 812 Wednesday 6th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
APPENDIX II European Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Water Framework Directive]; to be printed [No. 1237-iii] [Mr David Curry].
(2) Forty-second Report from the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 152-xlii]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Scrutiny Reserve breach]; to be printed [Nos. 1307-i and 1308-i] [Mr Jim Marshall].
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(2) Sixty-eighth Report from the Committee [Collection of fines and other financial penalties in the criminal justice system]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 999]; (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Helping victims and witnesses: the work of Victim Support]; to be printed [No. 1343-i] [Mr Edward Leigh].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Special Occasions Licensing) Order 2002]; to be printed [No. 1304] [Mr Peter L. Pike].
(2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Short Term Research Contracts in Science and Engineering]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Towards a Non-Carbon Fuel Economy: Research, Development and Demonstration]; to be printed [No. 1240-iii] [Dr Ian Gibson].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Multi Modal Studies]; to be printed [No. 1306-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
[No. 200; WH, No. 119.] Wednesday 6th November 2002. The House sitting in Westminster Hall [pursuant to Order of 20th November 2000]. The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till Tuesday 12th November. [Adjourned at 1.59 p.m. Page 814 Wednesday 6th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top [No. 201.] Thursday 7th November 2002. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
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Lords Amendment No. 17B. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Secretary Blunkett); Page 816 Thursday 7th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top And it being one hour after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendment, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [5th November]. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 248. Tellers for the Noes, Tom Brake, Annette Brooke: 38. So the Question was agreed to. The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to. The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Question which she was required to put at that hour. A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That Amendments (a) and (b) be made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendment No. 17B disagreed to—(Beverley Hughes); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 251. Tellers for the Noes, Tom Brake, Annette Brooke: 37. So the Question was agreed to.
The Lords have disagreed to the Amendments proposed by this House to certain Lords Amendments to the Animal Health Bill, for which disagreement they assign Reasons; they do not insist on one of their Amendments to which this House has disagreed; and they have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the remaining Lords Amendments. Lords Reasons for disagreeing to Commons Amendments to Lords Amendments to the Animal Health Bill to be printed [Bill 209].
Lords Reason No. 14B. Resolved, That this House insists on its Amendment (No. 14A) to Lords Amendment No. 14, to which the Lords have disagreed.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of the words left out of the Lords Amendment. Lords Reason No. 22B. Resolved, That this House insists on its Amendment (No. 22A) to Lords Amendment No. 22, to which the Lords have disagreed.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of the words left out of the Lords Amendment. Lords Reason No. 35B. Resolved, That this House insists on its Amendment (No. 35A) to Lords Amendment No. 35, to which the Lords have disagreed.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of the words left out of the Lords Amendment. Lords Reason No. 65B. Resolved, That this House insists on its Amendment (No. 65A) to Lords Amendment No. 65, to which the Lords have disagreed.—(Mr Elliot Morley.) An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill in lieu of the words left out of the Lords Amendment.
The Lords do not insist on their Amendment to the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill to which this House has disagreed, and they agree to the Amendments made by this House to the Bill in lieu of the Lords Amendment. The Lords do not insist on their disagreement to the Amendments made by this House to the Lords Amendments to the Animal Health Bill, and they agree to the Amendments made by this House in lieu of the words left out of the Lords Amendments. Page 817 Thursday 7th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top
Mr Speaker, The Lords, authorised by virtue of Her Majesty's Commission, for declaring Her Royal Assent to several Acts agreed upon by both Houses and for proroguing the present Parliament, desire the immediate attendance of this Honourable House in the House of Peers, to hear the Commission read. Accordingly the Speaker, with the House, went up to the House of Peers, where a Commission was read, giving, declaring and notifying the Royal Assent to several Acts, and for proroguing this present Parliament. The Royal Assent was given to the following Acts:— Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act 2002 Employee Share Schemes Act 2002 Public Trustee (Liability and Fees) Act 2002 Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act 2002 Private Hire Vehicles (Carriage of Guide Dogs etc.) Act 2002 Adoption and Children Act 2002 Commonwealth Act 2002 Enterprise Act 2002 Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 Animal Health Act 2002 HSBC Investment Banking Act 2002 Barclays Group Reorganisation Act 2002 Milford Haven Port Authority Act 2002 City of London (Ward Elections) Act 2002. And afterwards Her Majesty's Most Gracious Speech was delivered to both Houses of Parliament by the Lord High Chancellor (in pursuance of Her Majesty's Command), as follows: My Lords and Members of the House of Commons, My Government has taken action in support of economic stability and sound public finances, and has continued to increase investment in public services and tackle child poverty. Education is my Government's top priority. An Act has been passed to promote diversity, choice, innovation and higher standards in schools. The Act provides new opportunities for school partnerships, improved support for teachers, more options for tackling weak and failing schools and greater freedom for successful headteachers and governors. Legislation has been passed to reform health services and strengthen regulation of the health professions. An Act has been passed to increase powers against money laundering, establish a Criminal Assets Recovery Agency and make it easier to recover the proceeds of crime and drugs. Legislation has been passed to modernise and reform the police service and to establish a new complaints system. Legislation has been passed to reform and streamline the system for dealing with immigration and applications for asylum. Legislation has been passed to reform employment dispute resolution procedures and to introduce new employment rights, including measures to balance work and parental life. Legislation was also passed which introduced a new system of tax credits and a new pension credit for pensioners. An Act was passed to improve productivity and enterprise through reform of the competition, insolvency and consumer protection regimes. Draft legislation has been brought forward on a number of matters including on Communications, Local Government and Extradition. Members of the House of Commons, I thank you for the provision you have made for the work and dignity of the Crown and for the public service. My Lords and Members of the House of Commons, Page 818 Thursday 7th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top In Northern Ireland, my Government continued to work closely with the political parties and the Irish Government to secure the full implementation of the Belfast Agreement. Acts have been passed to maintain the arrangements on decommissioning and to reform the criminal justice system, both part of the Belfast Agreement. Provision has been made for new measures to combat electoral fraud in Northern Ireland. My Government has continued to co-operate with the devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the interests of all of the people of the United Kingdom. A White Paper was published outlining proposals for devolution to the English regions. My Government invited Parliament to set up a joint committee of both Houses to enable Parliament to reach a view on the second phase of House of Lords reform. Legislation was passed to allow political parties to make positive moves to increase the representation of women in public life. An Act was passed to reform the system of land registration. Legislation was also passed reforming residential leasehold law and improving leaseholders' rights and to create commonhold. My Government brought forward legislation to make the age of entitlement for concessionary fares the same for men as it is for women. An Act has been passed to reform adoption law to make children's welfare paramount, encourage more adoption and strengthen regulation of overseas adoptions. Other important measures have been enacted. My Lords and Members of the House of Commons, The Duke of Edinburgh and I were pleased to receive the state visit of the King and Queen of Jordan last November. We recall with pleasure our visits to Jamaica and New Zealand in February and our subsequent visit to Australia on the occasion of the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting. The Duke of Edinburgh and I were also delighted to pay a visit to Canada in October. Following the shocking events of 11th September, my Government has taken decisive action to help combat terrorism around the world and support the reconstruction of Afghanistan. My Government has continued to play a leading role in efforts to improve the competitiveness of Europe's economies and bring the European Union closer to its people. Legislation has been enacted enabling the United Kingdom to ratify the Treaty of Nice and implement decisions on the Union's future funding. My Government has played a key role in agreeing a timetable for enlargement of the European Union and in identifying practical ways to strengthen the Union's foreign and security policy, particularly its support for peace building in the Balkans. My Government has worked to strengthen NATO, equip it for the challenges of the future and develop its growing partnership with Russia. My Government has worked for a more effective global effort to reduce poverty, including initiatives on debt relief and HIV/AIDS, and has enacted legislation to strengthen the poverty focus to Britain's development work. My Government ratified the Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change along with other EU partners, as well as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. In the United Nations, the Commonwealth and other fora my Government has been active in promoting human rights and tackling the causes of conflict, including support for UN efforts in newly independent East Timor. My Government enacted legislation to grant British citizenship to British Overseas Territories citizens in qualifying territories. My Lords and Members of the House of Commons, I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may attend you. After which the Lord Chancellor said: My Lords and Members of the House of Commons, By virtue of Her Majesty's Commission which has now been read we do, in Her Majesty's name, and in obedience to Her Majesty's Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Wednesday the thirteenth day of this instant November, to be then here holden, and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Wednesday the thirteenth day of November. Page 819 Thursday 7th November 2002 2001-2002 Volume 258 Back to top APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Immigration (Transit Visa) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2002 (S.I. 2002, No. 2758), dated 6th November 2002 [by Act]; and (3) Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1301] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].
Other Papers:
(2) Observations by the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry on the Petition [23rd October] from striking workers of Friction Dynamex, Caernarfon for removal of the eight-week limit on protection for striking workers; and (3) Observations by the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Adult Learning and Skills on the Petition [2nd July] from the Bedford College Branch of the East Anglia Regions of the National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education for a review of the Government's policy on the funding of further education [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].
APPENDIX II Reports from Select Committees
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