Dealing with DEFRA
43. DEFRA has relationships with a very large number of outside
bodies. It deals with a range of business interests, from farmers
and fishermen to food processors and retailers, and from waste
disposal companies to water suppliers, amongst a host of others.
In addition, as well as forming relationships with non-governmental
organisations and individuals, it has connections with various
public bodies, not least local authorities.
44. One of the aspirations of the Developing DEFRA Programme
is to make the Department "outward-looking, professional
and expert ... [and] understand the needs of our customers and
welcome feedback on performance".[105]
We have heard evidence that the Department is beginning to achieve
this aim: for example, a major supermarket told us that DEFRA
officials have a good understanding of business issues and are
becoming more consumer focused.[106]
The Dairy Industry Association Limited (DIAL) said that it "remains
satisfied with the professionalism and dedication of the civil
servants in DEFRA. DEFRA personnel respond promptly to queries
raised by DIAL".[107]
Water UK told us that "the willingness of DEFRA Ministers
and officials to discuss policy issues and attend meetings with
other stakeholders has been impressive".[108]
We welcome the efforts made by DEFRA to engage with interested
parties. We urge it to continue to develop these important links
with others, and use such contacts to develop a closer understanding
of their needs, and to learn from them in order to become more
customer-focused.
45. However, several witnesses commented that the undoubted willingness
of DEFRA to interact with interested parties was compromised by
a lack of resources in the Department, and particularly a shortage
of staff and high rates of staff turnover. The Environmental Services
Association said that "both the Waste Policy and Waste Strategy
units remain under-resourced to deliver the diverse and complex
work programme surrounding the management of waste and secondary
resources".[109]
The Council for National Parks observed that "insufficient
resources are being provided to DEFRA's Countryside Division.
The Council for National Parks notes that the Division is very
stretched in terms of meeting its responsibilities to National
Park sponsorship".[110]
The British Retail Consortium told us that it hoped that the Food
Industry Division of DEFRA would ensure that the interests of
food retailers are heard across Government, but says that "at
current staffing levels this will be an ambitious task".[111]
The Local Government Association reported difficulties faced by
local authorities seeking to include targets on recycling waste
within their local public service agreements which it attributed
to "a lack of resources being applied to this priority".[112]
Water UK told us that "there are a few welcome signs of DEFRA
being prepared to look for a more integrated approach [to its
work] ... However, progress has been slow. We wonder if this is
due to a lack of resource and/or experience within parts of DEFRA".[113]
Concerns about staffing levels are also raised by the National
Farmers' Union[114]
and the Ramblers' Association.[115]
46. Another company which deals regularly with DEFRA has separately
told us about problems it has faced in its dealings with the Department.[116]
It said that a Unit with which it deals has suffered from a high
turnover of staff, and observed that its staff, including its
head, were relatively junior. It also complained of inaccuracies
in data issued by the Department, as well as confusion about which
agency is responsible for aspects of policy. Finally, it commented
on poor management of basic communication issues, such as answering
the telephone and responding to written correspondence.
47. We have previously noted problems with staff shortages and
turnover,[117] and
have expressed particular concern about the average overall turnover
between June 2001 and May 2002 of 9.2 per cent of staff. Subsequently
DEFRA has told us that turnover of staff between January and May
2002 was only 2.8 per cent, and that generally turnover at middle
or senior levels was only approximately 2 to 3 per cent, although
it was more like 20 per cent for the most junior grades.[118]
The paucity of data in the Department's Annual Report means that
the extent of staff shortages is unclear, but the evidence we
received is unequivocal. We recommend that DEFRA publish now
a breakdown of the number of staff employed in each of its Directorates
and units, as well as details of the number of unfilled posts
in each. It is important, not least for its ability to deal properly
with other organisations and individuals, that the Department
is fully staffed. We recommend that the Department set out its
policies for recruiting and retaining staff, to ensure that staff
shortages and turnover are reduced.
48. Our witnesses also thought that more extensive contact between
DEFRA officials and other organisations would be mutually beneficial.
The Country Land and Business Association reflected on the situation
in France where, it said, government was more responsive to the
needs of small business because of its "closer contact with
the industries on the ground and through some of their professional
organisations and through their departmental system".[119]
The British Retail Consortium suggested that understanding by
officials of the food industry would be enhanced by "the
introduction of a more formal programme of secondments between
Government and food retailing to ensure that officials are given
the opportunity to witness first-hand the practical impact of
policy-making".[120]
The Consortium has offered to co-ordinate such a programme. DEFRA
must work hard to build up close contacts with businesses and
others. One way of doing so might be to organise regular secondments
for staff into businesses - and indeed into other organisations
- and of staff from outside into DEFRA. We recommend that the
Department actively explore the possibility of setting up a programme
of such secondments. We believe that a properly structured programme
of secondments will help promote mutual understanding between
DEFRA and those with whom it inter-relates, and will also encourage
cultural change in the Department.
Conclusion
49. It is apparent that DEFRA continues to face a difficult
period of change. It must bring its staff together, in both structural
and cultural terms. It must make clear to them that their twin
objectives are sustainable development and the protection of rural
interests, and put in place work practices which support those
goals. And it must ensure that the Department has the means and
the confidence to project those objectives across Whitehall and
in other agencies. Achieving such changes to its mission and its
practices will not be easy, and we remain concerned about the
ability of senior managers to ensure that they take place - concern
borne out by the comments of our witnesses and others on the performance
of the Department in its first year. We look forward to the rapid
changes which will be needed for the Department to fulfil its
new role.
1
Rural Britain: Leadership for the future, Labour Party
Election Manifesto 2001. Back
2
See Press Notice No.26, which along with all other Committee publications
can be viewed via our website, which can be found at http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/environment__food_and_rural_affairs.cfm. Back
3
Announced in Press Notices Nos.36 and 39, which can be viewed
via our website. Back
4
This can be seen at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmenvfru/969/969.pdf. Back
5
A new Department, a new Agenda, DEFRA Consultation Document,
August 2001; the document can be viewed on the internet at http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/defra-aim/aimobjectives.htm. Back
6
An illustration of the range of responsibilities can be seen in
DEFRA's organisational chart, which can be seen on the internet
at http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/orgchart.pdf. Back
7
For an idea of the subjects covered by European legislation, see
http://www.europa.eu.int/index_en.htm; see in particular the homepages
of the Agriculture, Environment, Fisheries and Health and Consumer
Protection (ie. food safety) Directorates-General, which can be
accessed via http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/dgs_en.htm. Back
8
See DEFRA Departmental Report 2002, p.16; see http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/deprep/2002/index.htm. Back
9
Evidence taken on 14 November 2001 on the Establishment of
DEFRA and other matters, Q.24; the evidence can be viewed
at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmenvfru/366/1111401.htm. Back
10
See http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/sdstrategy/sdstrategy.pdf. Back
11
Foundations for our Future, paras.1.1 and 1.2. Back
12
A better quality of life - A strategy for sustainable development
in the United Kingdom, DETR, 1999; the document can be viewed
at http://www.sustainabledevelopment.gov.uk/uk_strategy/content.htm. Back
13
Foundations for our Future, p.1. Back
14
G16, Ev 115, p.1. Back
15
More details about the Government targets for sustainable development
are found in the Report of the Environmental Audit Committee,
Measuring the Quality of Life: The 2001 Sustainable Development
Headline Indicators, HC (2001-02) 824; see http://www.parliament.thestationeryoffice.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmenvaud/824/82402.htm. Back
16
Foundations for our Future, para.1.2; see also paras.1.3
ff. Back
17
Dear Prime Minister, The Green Alliance, pp.3 and 6; the
pamphlet is available on the internet from the Alliance's website;
see http://www.greenalliance.org.uk/Publications_PolicyReports.htm#Publication_dear_prime_minister. Back
18
Dear Prime Minister, The Green Alliance, p.7. Back
19
G21, Ev 2, para.3.2. Back
20
G20, Ev 28, para.7. Back
21
G20, Ev 29, para.13. Back
22
Q.31. Back
23
G2, Ev 85, para.5.1. Back
24
Q.212. Back
25
Q.206. Back
26
Q.230. Back
27
G5, Ev 39, para.6. Back
28
A New Department, A New Agenda, DEFRA, p.6. Back
29
See Farming only fifth on DEFRA agenda, Farmers' Weekly
Interactive, 24 August 2001. Back
30
See, for example, HC Deb, 26 June 2001, col.565. Back
31
G15, Ev 112, para.9. Back
32
G20, Ev 30, para.18. Back
33
G8, Ev 11, para.6; DEFRA's 'Vision' can be seen at http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/aims/vision.htm. Back
34
G4, Ev 125, para.6. Back
35
Farmers' Weekly, 4 October 2002, p.5. Back
36
Q.202. Back
37
Q.205. Back
38
Q.205. Back
39
See our Ninth Report, The Future of UK Agriculture in a Changing
World, HC (2001-02) 550. Back
40
See Q.225. Back
41
Q.225. Back
42
Q.228. Back
43
See Q.225. Back
44
Q.229. Back
45
See Foundations for our Future, DEFRA, June 2002, para.2.19;
the document can be viewed on the internet using the address http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/sdstrategy/sdstrategy.pdf. Back
46
Foundations for our Future, para.2.19 ff. Back
47
DEFRA Departmental Report 2002, p.21; see http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/deprep/default.htm. Back
48
See Foundations for our Future, para.1.2. Back
49
Foundations for our Future, para.1.4. Back
50
Foundations for our Future, para.1.4. Back
51
G5, Ev 40, para.15 and Ev 39, para.3. Back
52
Q.115. Back
53
Q.206. Back
54
A better quality of life: a strategy for sustainable development
for the UK, Cm 4345, May 1999; this can be viewed at http://www.sustainabledevelopment.gov.uk/uk_strategy/content.htm. Back
55
A description of the process can be found in the Report of the
Environmental Audit Committee, Measuring the Quality of Life:
The 2001 Sustainable Development Headline Indicators, para.1
ff. Back
56
Measuring the Quality of Life: The 2001 Sustainable Development
Headline Indicators, paras.20 to 25. Back
57
More details can be found at http://www.sdcommission.gov.uk/index.htm. Back
58
Review 2001: Headlining Sustainable Development, Sustainable
Development Commission, November 2001, p.3; see http://www.sdcommission.gov.uk/pubs/ar2001/index.htm. Back
59
Foundations for our Future, para.2.22. Back
60
Q.230. Back
61
G16, Ev 115. Back
62
For a summary, see http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlifecountryside/ruralwp/cm4909/summary/index.htm. Back
63
See G5, Ev 39, para.6. Back
64
G20, Ev 28, para.10. Back
65
G20, Ev 28, para.9. Back
66
The Countryside Agency is responsible for programmes relating
to 'Vital Villages' and 'Market Towns'. More details can be seen
at http://www.countryside.gov.uk/vitalvillages/ and http://www.countryside.gov.uk/markettowns/,
respectively. Back
67
See Q.231. Back
68
See Our Countryside, The Future (the Rural White Paper),
Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and the Department
of the Environment, Transport and the Regions, November 2000,
Chapter 13, which is available on the internet at http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlifecountryside/ruralwp/cm4909/17.htm;
see also Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency,
April 2002, at http://www.countryside.gov.uk/ruralproofing/pdf/3RPRMain.pdf. Back
69
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
p.8. Back
70
See Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April
2002, p.10. Back
71
DEFRA Departmental Report 2002, p.21. Back
72
Countryside Agency, Second Report of the Committee, HC
(2001-02) 386, para.11. Back
73
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
pp.10, 12 and 16. Back
74
Q.14. Back
75
Q.232. Back
76
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
p.14. Back
77
Q.233. Back
78
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
p.14. Back
79
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
p.11. Back
80
G20, Ev 28, para.10. Back
81
Rural Proofing in 2001/02, Countryside Agency, April 2002,
p.36. Back
82
Reported in Developing DEFRA: A report on the merger for people
who lead and manage change, DEFRA, August 2002. Back
83
Q.249. Back
84
G5, Ev 39, para.3. Back
85
G29, Ev 124, para.5. Back
86
G20, Ev 28, para.8. Back
87
G21, Ev 2, para.3.3. Back
88
Q.9. Back
89
G10, Ev 99. Back
90
G2, Ev 83, para.1.2. Back
91
G2, Ev 83, para.1.1. Back
92
See G2, Ev 83, para.1.3. Back
93
G29, Ev 124, para.5. Back
94
Evidence given before the Committee on Wednesday 16 October 2002,
HC (2001-02) 1220, Q.55. Back
95
Foreword to the Foot and Mouth Disease: Lessons to be Learned
Inquiry Report, HC (2001-02) 888; the report can be viewed
at http://213.121.214.218/fmd/report/index.htm. Back
96
Q.33. Back
97
Q.38. Back
98
Q.38. Back
99
Developing DEFRA: A report on the merger for people who lead
and manage change, DEFRA, August 2002. Back
100
Developing DEFRA, p.6. Back
101
Developing DEFRA, p.6. Back
102
Developing DEFRA, p.6 and p.3. Back
103
Departmental Annual Report 2002, Sixth Report, HC (2001-02)
969, para.23. Back
104
Government reply to the Sixth Report of the Committee,
Ninth Special Report, HC (2001-02) 1223, p.8. Back
105
DEFRA Departmental Report 2002, p.17. Back
106
Letter to the Clerk of the Committee (not published). Back
107
G4, Ev 126, para.12. Back
108
G11, Ev 101. Back
109
G9, Ev 96, para.19. Back
110
G6, Ev 93, para.1. Back
111
G1, Ev 82. Back
112
G16, Ev 115, p.2. Back
113
G11,Ev 103-Ev 104, para.4.3. Back
114
G15, Ev 112, para.8. Back
115
G19, Ev 118, para.2. Back
116
Letter to the Chairman, not published. Back
117
Sixth Report, The Departmental Annual Report 2002, HC (2001-02)
969, paras.22 ff. Back
118
Government reply to the Sixth Report of the Committee,
Ninth Special Report, HC (2001-02) 1223, p.7. Back
119
Q.67. Back
120
G1, Ev 82. Back