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Mr. Roger Williams: The hon. Member for Aberavon (Dr. Francis) waxed lyrical about the support that the NHS was given by socialists, but does the Minister agree that it was conceived by a LiberalBeveridge?
Mr. Touhig: Nye Bevan was certainly no Liberal, and he was the architect of the national health service. We share that honour with no one.
My hon. Friend the Member for Caerphilly (Mr. David) said that although the Bill was short, it was important and it would make a difference. I certainly agree. My hon. Friend the Member for Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney (Mr. Havard) said CHCs in his area did good work and he wished to see their role develop, especially the advocacy role. We will see that develop, following the introduction of the Bill. My hon. Friend the Member for Wrexham (Ian Lucas) welcomed the pre-legislative scrutiny procedure and wondered whether it could be improved. I am sure that we will return to the matter later in our discussions. CHCs will have the power to inspect hospices, where they are delivering primary care. That is an important point to make.
I thank all hon. Members who have taken part in the debate. I thank those who took part in the pre-legislative scrutiny, those in the Welsh Affairs Committee, the Welsh Grand Committee and colleagues in the National Assembly, who made an important contribution to our discussions in formulating the policy. As a result of the pre-legislative scrutiny, we have a better Bill now than we would otherwise have had, and that is a lesson for all of us. I remember a time when I had a private Member's Bill soon after coming to the House. If we had had pre-legislative scrutiny at that time, that piece of legislation might well have been improved.
The Bill builds on the strategic framework put in place by the NHS Reform and Health Care Professions Act 2002, which was passed in the last Session. It gives patients in Wales a stronger role and a voice in the improvement, development and running of the health service in Wales, to which we are all committed, and changes the emphasis from treating disease to improving health in Wales. It supports the Welsh Assembly's drive to improve the health and well-being of people of Wales and delivers key elements of the Assembly's 10-year plan for the health service in Wales.
This is an excellent example of the partnership that exists between the Government and the National Assembly. We have already achieved a great deal by working together, and I commend the Bill to the House and ask hon. Members to support its being given a Second Reading.
Motion made, and Question put forthwith, pursuant to Orders [28 June 2001 and 29 October 2002],
Committal
1. The Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee.
2. The proviso in paragraph (2)(ii) of Standing Order No. 86 (Nomination of Standing Committees) shall not apply to the Bill.
Proceedings in Standing Committee
3. Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on Thursday 12th December.
4. The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets.
Consideration and Third Reading
5. Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced.
6. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced.
7. Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading.
Other proceedings
8. Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments or any further messages from the Lords) may be programmed.[Mr. Jim Murphy.]
AYES
Abbott, Diane
Ainger, Nick
Ainsworth, Bob
Allen, Graham
Anderson, Janet
Armstrong, Hilary
Atherton, Candy
Austin, John
Bailey, Adrian
Baird, Vera
Barnes, Harry
Barron, Kevin
Battle, John
Bayley, Hugh
Beard, Nigel
Beckett, Margaret
Begg, Anne
Benn, Hilary
Bennett, Andrew
Benton, Joe
Berry, Roger
Best, Harold
Betts, Clive
Blears, Hazel
Blizzard, Bob
Borrow, David
Bradley, Keith
Bradley, Peter
Bradshaw, Ben
Brake, Tom
Brennan, Kevin
Brooke, Annette L.
Brown, Nicholas
Brown, Russell
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Karen
Burden, Richard
Burgon, Colin
Burnham, Andy
Byers, Stephen
Caborn, Richard
Cairns, David
Calton, Patsy
Campbell, Alan
Campbell, Ronnie
Caplin, Ivor
Carmichael, Alistair
Casale, Roger
Caton, Martin
Cawsey, Ian
Challen, Colin
Chapman, Ben
Chidgey, David
Clapham, Michael
Clark, Lynda
Clarke, Charles
Clarke, Tom
Clarke, Tony
Clelland, David
Clwyd, Ann
Coaker, Vernon
Cohen, Harry
Colman, Tony
Connarty, Michael
Cook, Robin
Corbyn, Jeremy
Cousins, Jim
Cranston, Ross
Crausby, David
Cruddas, Jon
Cummings, John
Cunningham, Jim
Cunningham, Tony
Davey, Valerie
David, Wayne
Davidson, Ian
Davis, Terry
Dawson, Hilton
Dean, Janet
Denham, John
Dhanda, Parmjit
Dismore, Andrew
Dobbin, Jim
Dobson, Frank
Doran, Frank
Doughty, Sue
Drew, David
Drown, Julia
Eagle, Angela
Eagle, Maria
Ellman, Louise
Ennis, Jeff
Etherington, Bill
Fisher, Mark
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, Caroline
Follett, Barbara
Foster, Derek
Foster, Michael
Foster, Michael Jabez
Francis, Hywel
Gardiner, Barry
George, Bruce
Gerrard, Neil
Gibson, Ian
Gidley, Sandra
Gilroy, Linda
Godsiff, Roger
Goggins, Paul
Griffiths, Jane
Griffiths, Nigel
Griffiths, Win
Grogan, John
Hain, Peter
Hall, Mike
Hall, Patrick
Hamilton, David
Hamilton, Fabian
Hanson, David
Harris, Evan
Harris, Tom
Harvey, Nick
Havard, Dai
Healey, John
Henderson, Doug
Henderson, Ivan
Hendrick, Mark
Hepburn, Stephen
Heppell, John
Hesford, Stephen
Heyes, David
Hill, Keith
Hinchliffe, David
Hodge, Margaret
Holmes, Paul
Hoon, Geoffrey
Hope, Phil
Hopkins, Kelvin
Howarth, Alan
Howarth, George
Howells, Kim
Hoyle, Lindsay
Hughes, Beverley
Hughes, Kevin
Humble, Joan
Iddon, Brian
Illsley, Eric
Ingram, Adam
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Helen
Jenkins, Brian
Johnson, Alan
Jones, Helen
Jones, Jon Owen
Jones, Kevan
Jones, Martyn
Joyce, Eric
Kaufman, Gerald
Keen, Alan
Keetch, Paul
Kemp, Fraser
Khabra, Piara S.
Kidney, David
Kilfoyle, Peter
King, Andy
Kirkwood, Archy
Kumar, Ashok
Ladyman, Stephen
Lamb, Norman
Lammy, David
Lawrence, Jackie
Laws, David
Laxton, Bob
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lepper, David
Leslie, Christopher
Levitt, Tom
Lewis, Ivan
Lewis, Terry
Liddell, Helen
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony
Llwyd, Elfyn
Love, Andrew
Lucas, Ian
Luke, Iain
Lyons, John
McAvoy, Thomas
McCabe, Stephen
McCartney, Ian
McDonagh, Siobhain
MacDonald, Calum
McDonnell, John
MacDougall, John
McFall, John
McIsaac, Shona
McKechin, Ann
McKenna, Rosemary
Mackinlay, Andrew
McNamara, Kevin
McNulty, Tony
Mactaggart, Fiona
McWilliam, John
Mahmood, Khalid
Mallaber, Judy
Marris, Rob
Marsden, Gordon
Marshall, David
Marshall, Jim
Marshall-Andrews, Robert
Martlew, Eric
Meacher, Michael
Meale, Alan
Merron, Gillian
Miller, Andrew
Mitchell, Austin
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moonie, Lewis
Moran, Margaret
Morgan, Julie
Mountford, Kali
Mudie, George
Mullin, Chris
Munn, Meg
Murphy, Denis
Murphy, Paul
Naysmith, Doug
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, Bill
O'Hara, Edward
Olner, Bill
O'Neill, Martin
Öpik, Lembit
Osborne, Sandra
Palmer, Nick
Pearson, Ian
Picking, Anne
Pickthall, Colin
Pike, Peter
Plaskitt, James
Pollard, Kerry
Pond, Chris
Pound, Stephen
Prentice, Bridget
Prentice, Gordon
Prescott, John
Price, Adam
Primarolo, Dawn
Prosser, Gwyn
Pugh, John
Purchase, Ken
Purnell, James
Quin, Joyce
Rammell, Bill
Rapson, Syd
Reed, Andy
Reid, Alan
Rendel, David
Robertson, John
Robinson, Geoffrey
Roche, Barbara
Rooney, Terry
Ross, Ernie
Roy, Frank
Ruane, Chris
Ruddock, Joan
Russell, Bob
Russell, Christine
Ryan, Joan
Sanders, Adrian
Sarwar, Mohammad
Savidge, Malcolm
Sawford, Phil
Sedgemore, Brian
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Barry
Sheridan, Jim
Short, Clare
Simon, Siôn
Simpson, Alan
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, Andrew
Smith, Chris
Smith, Geraldine
Smith, Jacqui
Smith, John
Smith, Robert
Soley, Clive
Southworth, Helen
Spellar, John
Squire, Rachel
Starkey, Phyllis
Steinberg, Gerry
Stevenson, George
Stewart, David
Stewart, Ian
Stinchcombe, Paul
Stoate, Howard
Stuart, Gisela
Stunell, Andrew
Sutcliffe, Gerry
Tami, Mark
Taylor, Dari
Taylor, David
Taylor, Richard
Thomas, Gareth
Thomas, Gareth
Thomas, Simon
Thurso, John
Timms, Stephen
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mark
Touhig, Don
Trickett, Jon
Truswell, Paul
Turner, Desmond
Turner, Neil
Twigg, Derek
Twigg, Stephen
Tyler, Paul
Tynan, Bill
Vaz, Keith
Walley, Joan
Ward, Claire
Wareing, Robert N.
Watts, David
White, Brian
Wicks, Malcolm
Williams, Alan
Williams, Hywel
Williams, Roger
Wilson, Brian
Winnick, David
Woodward, Shaun
Woolas, Phil
Worthington, Tony
Wray, James
Wright, Anthony D.
Wright, Tony
Wyatt, Derek
Tellers for the Ayes:
Mr. Jim Murphy and
Charlotte Atkins
NOES
Atkinson, Peter
Bacon, Richard
Baldry, Tony
Beggs, Roy
Bercow, John
Blunt, Crispin
Boswell, Tim
Burnett, John
Burt, Alistair
Cameron, David
Campbell, Gregory
Chope, Christopher
Clarke, Kenneth
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Davis, David
Dodds, Nigel
Donaldson, Jeffrey M.
Dorrell, Stephen
Evans, Nigel
Flight, Howard
Flook, Adrian
Forth, Eric
Fox, Liam
Gillan, Cheryl
Goodman, Paul
Gray, James
Grayling, Chris
Green, Damian
Grieve, Dominic
Gummer, John
Hammond, Philip
Hayes, John
Heald, Oliver
Hermon, Lady
Hogg, Douglas
Howard, Michael
Howarth, Gerald
Knight, Greg
Lewis, Julian
Liddell-Grainger, Ian
Lidington, David
Lilley, Peter
Luff, Peter
McIntosh, Anne
Maclean, David
McLoughlin, Patrick
Mates, Michael
Mercer, Patrick
Murrison, Andrew
O'Brien, Stephen
Ottaway, Richard
Page, Richard
Paisley, Ian
Pickles, Eric
Robertson, Hugh
Robertson, Laurence
Robinson, Iris
Robinson, Peter
Rosindell, Andrew
Sayeed, Jonathan
Simpson, Keith
Smyth, Martin
Spring, Richard
Swayne, Desmond
Syms, Robert
Trend, Michael
Tyrie, Andrew
Watkinson, Angela
Whittingdale, John
Wiggin, Bill
Yeo, Tim
Young, George
Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. David Wilshire and
Mr. Mark Francois
Question accordingly agreed to.
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