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Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the total expenditure was on procurement by each of the services in the last year for which figures are available; and how much of the procurement budget for each was spent in Scotland. 
Dr. Moonie [holding answer 10 December 2002]: I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave him on 1 February 2002, Official Report, column 601W. The latest figures for XSea", XLand", XAir" and Xother" are still those for 199899. Ministry of Defence systems have been changing following the introduction (inter alia) of Smart Acquisition (formerly Smart Procurement) and the move from cash accounting to resource accounting and budgeting (RAB). Consideration has moved from recording and analysing inputs to the armed forces to providing capability. The latest DPA Accounts (HC13 dated 28 November 2002) show that under RAB in the financial year 200102, the following resources were expended:
|FY 200102||# million|
Dr. Moonie: The available information is given in table 1 below showing the position for the United Kingdom Regular Forces as at April 2002. For consistency table 2 shows Civilian Personnel as at April 2002 and in addition the latest information as at October 2002.
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|By Government Office Region|
|Yorkshire and the Humber||13,760|
(12) All figures have been rounded to the nearest 10.
(13) Figures are for UK Regular Forces, both trained and untrained, located in the UK. They therefore exclude Gurkhas, Full-time Reserve Service personnel, the Home Service battalions of the Royal Regiment and mobilised reservists.
2,291 Gurkhas deployed in the United Kingdom at 1 April 2002.
1,986 Full-time Reserve Service Personnel at 1 April 2002
3,645 Personnel in the Home Service battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment at 1 April 2002.
(14) Naval Service personnel on sea service are included against the local authority containing the home port of their ship.
(15) The detailed figures have been compiled from unit statistics related to unit postcodes. For some units postcode information is either unavailable or inappropriate. These units include personnel who are known to be in Northern Ireland, so these have been added to the Northern Ireland total. The others are in the 'Unknowns' row.
Mr. Keetch: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what financial support was given to UK veterans attending memorials in North Africa for the 60th anniversary of the battle of El Alamein; and if he will make a statement. 
Dr. Moonie: The Ministry of Defence provided support to the Eighth Army Veterans' Association (EAVA) to commemorate the battle and a service of thanksgiving was held in Westminster Abbey on 30 October; the MOD organised and funded the service. Two other events were also supported by the Department: a Commonwealth service to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the battle (held at the Commonwealth War Cemetery, El Alamein) and an international service (at the Italian War Memorial, near El Alamein). No financial assistance was given to veterans to visit Egypt.
Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the expenditure was of each defence agency (a) in total and (b) in Scotland in the last available year; how many staff were employed by each agency (i) in total and (ii) in Scotland in that year. 
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|Agency||Total strength||Staff in Scotland|
|UK Hydrographic Office||882||4|
|Service Children's Education||726|||
|Duke of York's Royal Military School||106|||
|Queen Victoria School||70||70|
|Defence Analytical Services Agency||145|||
|British Forces Post Office||340||7|
|Army Base Repair Organisation||2,019||82|
|Defence Secondary Care Agency||593||4|
|Ministry of Defence Police||3,262||818|
|Naval Recruiting and Training Agency||1,003||11|
|RAF Training Group Defence Agency||2,049||45|
|Army Training and Recruitment Agency||4,250||104|
|Defence Communications Service Agency||3,054||107|
|Disposal Services Agency||78||3|
|Defence Transport and Movements Agency||314|||
|Defence Science and Technical Laboratory||2,825||45|
|Defence Dental Agency||158||9|
|Medical Supply Agency|||||
|Pay and Personnel Agency||665|||
|Defence Bills Agency||581|||
|Naval Manning Agency||106|||
|Defence Intelligence and Security Centre||135|||
|Army Personnel Centre||754||680|
|Warship Support Agency||7,682||2,497|
|RAF Personnel Management Agency||236|||
|Armed Forces Personnel Administration Agency||229||109|
|Defence Vetting Agency||262||3|
|Defence Medical Training Organisation||169|||
|Defence Aviation Repair Agency||4,343||317|
|Defence Storage and Distribution Agency||2,753||25|
|Defence Housing Executive||935||88|
|Defence Procurement Agency||3,726||134|
|Defence Geographic Imagery Intelligence Agency||690||1|
Mr. Jenkin: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make an assessment of the range of equipment and clothing held by his Department to determine whether it enables it to (a) provide cover for services withdrawn by the fire brigades and (b) conduct firefighting operations for which it is responsible. 
Mr. Ingram: The Armed Forces have been supplied with suitable and adequate equipment and clothing to provide the agreed level of fire cover in the event of industrial action being taken by local fire brigades. When not in use the responsibility for such equipment rests with the Office of my right hon Friend the Deputy Prime Minister.
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Mr. Jenkin: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what his present estimates are for (a) the full costs and (b) the additional costs incurred by his Department in planning for and providing military personnel and equipment to cover for services withdrawn by the fire brigades; and what elements his Department has taken into account in calculating its costs incurred in providing such services; 
Mr. Ingram: It is too early to make even the broadest of estimates of how much the military assistance will cost at this stage, because the costs incurred during the actual strike periods have yet to be fully captured through the Ministry of Defence's central cost reporting system, and because we have no relevant historical examples to predict from. This prevents the Department from making any accurate costs estimates beyond those associated with the initial purchase of the urgent operational equipment necessary to equip the services.
In that regard, in the run up to the strike we incurred costs of around #8 million on purchasing major items of equipment such as protective clothing, breathing apparatus and hydraulic cutting equipment.
Under the rules that apply to operations of this sort, the Ministry of Defence will recover from the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM) the additional costs that are incurred in providing military assistance, ensuring that the operation is cost neutral so far as the defence budget is concerned.
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