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Page 28 2002-2003 Volume 259 [No. 8.] Monday 25th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Ordered, That the Explanatory Notes relating to the Local Government Bill be printed [Bill 9–EN].
An Amendment ((e)) was proposed to the Question, in line 5, at the end, to add the words ‘and believes that any decision that Iraq is in material breach of Resolution 1441 is for the UN Security Council as a whole to determine and that no military action to enforce Resolution 1441 should be taken against Iraq without a mandate from the UN Security Council; and further believes that no British forces should be committed to any such military action against Iraq without a debate in this House and a substantive motion in favour'.—(Mr Michael Moore.) And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made; Mr Andrew Stunell rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:—It was agreed to. And the Question being accordingly put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Annette Brooke, Mr David Heath: 85. Tellers for the Noes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Fraser Kemp: 452. So the Question was negatived. And the Main Question being put; Resolved, That this House supports UNSCR 1441 as unanimously adopted by the UN Security Council; agrees that the Government of Iraq must comply fully with all provisions of the Resolution; and agrees that, if it fails to do so, the Security Council should meet in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance.
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And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till fourteen minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.46 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 22nd November 2002 (Non-sitting Friday, S.O. No. 12) pursuant to Standing Order No. 158 (Presentation of command papers):
Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 22nd November 2002 (Non-sitting Friday, S.O. No. 12) pursuant to Standing Order No. 159 (Presentation of statutory instruments): Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Papers presented or laid upon the Table on Monday 25th November 2002: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
(2) draft Environment (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, and (3) draft Insolvency (Northern Ireland) Order 2002 [by Act], with Explanatory Memoranda thereon [by Command] [Mr Secretary Murphy].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
(2) Building (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2871), dated 16th November 2002 [Mr Secretary Prescott].
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(1) The Speaker has appointed Mr George Stevenson Chairman of the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order, in place of Mr Jimmy Hood; and (2) the Committee of Selection has discharged Mrs Helen Clark from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr Kevin Barron.
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(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The humanitarian crisis in southern Africa]; to be printed [No. 116-i] [Tony Baldry].
(2) Second Report from the Committee [Dealing with pollution from ships]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 119]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Tackling pensioner poverty: encouraging the take-up of entitlement]; to be printed [No. 120-i] [Mr Edward Leigh]. Page 31 Monday 25th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top [No. 9.] Tuesday 26th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
That a draft Order in the same terms as the proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Sugar Beet Research and Education) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 16th October, in the last Session of Parliament, should be laid before the House. That the proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Credit Unions) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 18th October, in the last Session of Parliament, should be amended before a draft Order is laid before the House.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time; An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word ‘That' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill because it is a centralising measure that will have the effect of undermining local democracy, it places too much power in the hands of the Secretary of State to determine the timing of each referendum in each region, it fails to protect the right of individual communities to determine the local government structure that suits them best, the arrangements for referenda are inadequate and insufficiently defined, it fails to recognise that unitary authorities are not an appropriate solution in all parts of the country, it fails to recognise the needs of rural areas and it is incapable of protecting long-established county councils', instead thereof.—(David Davis.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mrs Cheryl Gillan: 141. Tellers for the Noes, Dan Norris, Mr Phil Woolas: 389. So the Question was negatived. And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading); Page 32 Tuesday 26th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Phil Woolas, Dan Norris: 386. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mrs Cheryl Gillan: 134. So the Question was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read a second time.
Committal 1. Clauses 1 to 4 of the Bill shall be committed to a Committee of the whole House. 2. The remainder of the Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee. Programming of proceedings 3. All proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments or on any further message from the Lords) may be programmed. Proceedings 4. Proceedings in Committee of the whole House shall be completed in one day. 5.—(1) Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on Thursday 19th December 2002. (2) The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets. 6. When the provisions of the Bill considered, respectively, by the Committee of the whole House and by the Standing Committee, have been reported to the House, the Bill shall be proceeded with as if it had been reported as a whole to the House from the Standing Committee. Consideration and Third Reading 7. Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced. 8. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced. 9. Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading—(Derek Twigg); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Phil Woolas, Dan Norris: 318. Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mr Laurence Robertson: 178. So the Question was agreed to.
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill: (1) there shall be charged on and paid out of the Consolidated Fund any sums required by the Electoral Commission to meet: (a) the charges payable to counting officers in connection with a referendum held about the establishment of an elected regional assembly; and (b) sums payable in respect of increases in superannuation contributions required to be paid by local authorities in consequence of fees paid as part of those charges; (2) there shall be paid out of money provided by Parliament: (a) any expenditure of a Minister of the Crown— (i) in connection with a referendum held about the establishment of an elected regional assembly; (ii) in making payments to the Electoral Commission; Page 33 Tuesday 26th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top (iii) in paying grant in respect of the expenditure of regional chambers; (iv) in preparation for elected regional assemblies; (v) in connection with the transfer of any function to such an assembly; (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums so payable under any other enactment—(Derek Twigg):—It was agreed to.
That this House concurs with the Lords in the said Resolution. That, in accordance with the Resolution of the House of 19th June in the last Session of Parliament, a Select Committee of twelve Members be appointed to join with a Committee to be appointed by the Lords, as the Joint Committee on House of Lords Reform, with the same terms of reference, powers and membership as in the last session and that the proceedings of the Joint Committee on House of Lords Reform in the last session of Parliament be referred to the Committee.—(Derek Twigg.) Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
(1) residents of East Hertfordshire, North and West Essex and the surrounding communities against the construction of further runways at Stansted Airport, and (2) ‘Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till thirteen minutes past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 11.13 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
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(2) First Report from the Select Committee on Statutory Instruments; to be printed [No. 126-i] [Mr David Tredinnick]. Page 35 Tuesday 26th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Trade with China and Taiwan; Radio spectrum management]; to be printed [Nos. 129-i and 128-i] [Mr Martin O'Neill].
[No. 9; WH, No. 2.] Tuesday 26th November 2002. The House sitting in Westminster Hall The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 1.59 p.m. [No. 10.] Wednesday 27th November 2002. The House met at half-past Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
I am writing to let you know formally of my desire to resign as Clerk of the House at the end of the year. I entered the service of the House in September 1961, and I first sat at the table of the House in 1977. By the time I resign, I shall have been Clerk of the House for exactly five years. Two years ago, I had the further privilege of being appointed the first Chief Executive of the House Service. It has been an honour and a unique privilege to serve the House of Commons over these 41 years, and especially to do so as its principal adviser on privilege and procedure. I shall always be grateful to the occupants of the Chair and Members in all parts of the House, past and present, for their courtesy and friendship over that long period. For at least the past decade, the House's procedures and services have adapted to meet new demands and challenges at a pace which would have startled my colleagues in 1961. I hope we have been generally successful in coping with change while maintaining the traditional high standard of service. If so, the credit must go to all those men and women in the six departments of the House on whose loyal service so much depends. It has been a privilege for me to be associated with them. Page 36 Wednesday 27th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top I shall leave the service of the House with regret, but I shall do so in the knowledge that no other career could possibly have provided as much satisfaction and opportunity for service.
Committal (1) The Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee. (2) The proviso in paragraph (2)(ii) of Standing Order No. 86 (Nomination of Standing Committees) shall not apply to the Bill. Proceedings in Standing Committee (3) Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on Thursday 12th December. (4) The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets. Consideration and Third Reading (5) Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced. (6) Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced. (7) Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and third reading. Other proceedings (8) Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments or any further messages from the Lords) may be programmed—(Mr Jim Murphy); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Jim Murphy, Charlotte Atkins: 340. Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 72. So the Question was agreed to.
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Health (Wales) Bill, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable by virtue of any other Act out of money so provided—(Derek Twigg):—It was agreed to.
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(1) proceedings on the Motion in the name of the Reverend Ian Paisley shall lapse, if not previously concluded, at Seven o'clock or three hours after they have been entered upon, whichever is the later, and paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments) shall apply to them as if the day were an Opposition Day; and (2) the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motion in the name of the Prime Minister relating to the Convention on the Future of Europe not later than three hours after they have been entered upon, and the proceedings may continue after the moment of interruption.—(Derek Twigg.)
(1) the residents of Slough and others for Government action to prevent war crimes against Palestinians, (2) ‘Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products [three Petitions], and (3) the residents of West Oxfordshire for an infrastructure upgrade on the Cotswold Railway Line, were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till nine minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.51 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
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(1) Department for International Development, (2) National Investment and Loans Office, (3) Office of HM Chief Inspector of Schools in England, and (4) Office of Telecommunications with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 48, 70, 35 and 46] [Ruth Kelly].
(1) Central Government [by Command]; to be printed [No. 42] [Ruth Kelly], (2) the Electoral Commission [by Command]; to be printed [No. 41] [The Speaker], (3) the House of Commons [by Act]; to be printed [No. 39] [The Speaker], and (4) National Audit Office [by Command]; to be printed [No. 40] [Mr Alan Williams].
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(1) The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee A; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr David Borrow, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Adrian Flook, Linda Gilroy, Matthew Green, Mr Philip Hammond, Mr Kevan Jones, Jim Knight, Mr Christopher Leslie, Lawrie Quinn, Mr Nick Raynsford, Mr Gary Streeter, Mr Graham Stringer, Mr Desmond Swayne, Brian White and Mr Phil Woolas.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Russell Brown, David Burnside, Mr Michael Clapham, Mr Jim Cunningham, Mr David Curry, Denzil Davies, Mr Frank Dobson, Gillian Merron, Mr Ian Pearson, Mr Stephen Pound, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr John Taylor, Dr Alan Whitehead, Mr Roger Williams, Mr David Wilshire and David Wright.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and Page 39 Wednesday 27th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Richard Allan, Mr Iain Coleman, Mr Jonathan Djanogly, Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Mr Roger Godsiff, Ms Sally Keeble, Mr Robert Key, Mr Peter Luff, Mr Tony McWalter, Dan Norris, Mr Richard Page, Mr Geoffrey Robinson, Rachel Squire, Dr Jenny Tonge, Mr Dennis Turner and Dr Desmond Turner.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Annette Brooke, Mr David Cameron, Ann Clwyd, Mr John Denham, Mr Mark Francois, Mr David Heath, Mr John Heppell, Alan Howarth, John McDonnell, Ann McKechin, Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews, Mr James Paice, Bridget Prentice, Alan Simpson, Dr Howard Stoate and Mr Andrew Tyrie.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Hugh Bayley, Peter Bottomley, Mr Alistair Carmichael, John Cryer, Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas, Mr Jeffrey M. Donaldson, Shona McIsaac, Alice Mahon, Gillian Merron, Jonathan Shaw, Angela Smith, Mr Ian Taylor, Mr John Taylor, Mr Robert N. Wareing, Mr David Wilshire and Derek Wyatt.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Bob Ainsworth, John Austin, Annette Brooke, Mr Colin Challen, Jeremy Corbyn, Mr Mark Field, Mr Mark Francois, Mr Edward Garnier, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr David Heath, Mr John Heppell, Dr Brian Iddon, Mr Peter Kilfoyle, Mr George Mudie, Llew Smith and Dr Howard Stoate.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Charlotte Atkins, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Bob Blizzard, Mr Julian Brazier, Ross Cranston, Mr Frank Field, Mr George Galloway, Mr Paul Goodman, Paul Holmes, Mr Gerald Howarth, Fiona Mactaggart, Judy Mallaber, Mr Kerry Pollard, Angela Watkinson, Steve Webb and Malcolm Wicks.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Report to the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Tony Banks, Mr David Borrow, Mr Ronnie Campbell, Sue Doughty, Mr David Drew, Mr David Kidney, Andy King, Mr Peter Mandelson, Mr Michael Meacher, Hugh Robertson, Mr David Ruffley, Mr Jonathan Sayeed, Mr Graham Stringer, Mr Andrew Stunell and Sir Teddy Taylor.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Graham Allen, Mr John Battle, Mr Henry Bellingham, Dr Vincent Cable, Brian Cotter, Mrs Louise Ellman, Dr Ian Gibson, Mr John Horam, Alan Johnson, Mr Andrew Lansley, Mr Bob Laxton, Mr Tony Lloyd, Mr Jim Murphy, Hugh Robertson, Mr Dennis Skinner and Jon Trickett. Page 40 Wednesday 27th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Vera Baird, Richard Burden, Dr Vincent Cable, Brian Cotter, Mr Dai Havard, Miss Melanie Johnson, Mr Andrew Miller, Mr Andrew Mitchell, Julie Morgan, Ms Meg Munn, Mr Jim Murphy, Mr Andrew Robathan, Hugh Robertson, Mr Richard Shepherd, Mr John Smith and Mr David Stewart.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Eleventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mrs Helen Clark, Mr Tony Clarke, Mr David Clelland, Mr Jeffrey M. Donaldson, Sue Doughty, Mr George Howarth, Shona McIsaac, Gillian Merron, Richard Ottaway, Mr John Redwood, Mr Ernie Ross, Mr Martin Salter, Angela Smith, Mark Tami, Mr John Taylor and Mr David Wilshire. Grand Committees
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(2) Third Report from the Committee [Scrutiny Reserve Breaches]; together with Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 6th November, in the last Session of Parilament, to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-iii] [Mr Jimmy Hood].
Page 41 Wednesday 27th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top [No. 10; WH, No. 3.] Wednesday 27th November 2002. The House sitting in Westminster Hall The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 1.59 p.m. [No. 11.] Thursday 28th November 2002. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
SCHEDULE Standing Order 4A, line 4, after ‘London' insert— ‘and, if it affects Wales, at an office in Cardiff'. Standing Order 4A, line 15, leave out ‘or community' and insert— ‘, or (in Wales) in the county or county borough in which the community,'. Standing Order 4A, line 37, after ‘district' insert— ‘, or (in Wales) in the county or county borough'. Standing Order 24, line 1, after ‘notice' insert ‘under the preceding orders'. Standing Order 26, line 4, at end insert— ‘(see also Standing Order 209 (Time for delivering notices, etc.))'. Standing Order 27, line 72, leave out ‘Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions' and insert ‘Office of the Deputy Prime Minister'. Standing Order 27A, line 33, leave out ‘Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions' and insert ‘Office of the Deputy Prime Minister'. Standing Order 29, line 8, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 34, line 11, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 37, line 11, leave out ‘Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions' and insert ‘Office of the Deputy Prime Minister'. Standing Order 37, line 19, leave out ‘Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions,' and insert ‘Office of the Deputy Prime Minister.'. Standing Order 39, line 5, leave out ‘, the Home Office and the Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions,' and insert ‘and the Home Office'. Standing Order 39, line 7, after ‘Industry' insert ‘, the Department for Transport and the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister'. Standing Order 39, line 17, leave out ‘General Register Office' and insert ‘Office for National Statistics'. Standing Order 45, line 21, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 47, line 10, leave out ‘Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions' and insert ‘Office of the Deputy Prime Minister'. Standing Order 80 is hereby repealed. Standing Order 81, line 1, leave out from ‘Means' to the end and insert— ‘or the Counsel to the Speaker shall, on or before 8th January each year, hold a conference with the Chairman of Committees of the House of Lords or with his Counsel for the purpose of determining in which House of Parliament the respective private bills should first be considered.' Page 42 Thursday 28th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top Standing Order 144, line 1, leave out from ‘or' to the end and insert— ‘its objects, which are— (a) made by a minister of the Crown, and (b) presented to the House by being deposited in the Private Bill Office, shall stand referred to the committee on the bill. (2) Where a recommendation is made in any such report, the committee— (a) may, if it thinks fit, hear a person nominated by the minister in explanation of the recommendation, and (b) shall note the recommendation in its report and, if it does not agree to such a recommendation, shall state its reasons for dissenting.'. Standing Order 147, line 8, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 147, line 11, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 154, line 13, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'. Standing Order 154, line 28, leave out ‘, Local Government and the Regions'.—(The Chairman of Ways and Means.)
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
House of Lords Reform (Joint Committee),—The Lords communicate that they have appointed a Committee of twelve Lords to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons to consider and report on issues relating to House of Lords Reform; They have ordered that the Committee have power to agree with the Committee appointed by the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman; That the Committee have leave to report from time to time; That the Reports of the Committee from time to time shall be printed, notwithstanding any adjournment of the House; That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers; That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place within the United Kingdom; That the proceedings of the Joint Committee on House of Lords Reform in the last Session of Parliament be referred to the Committee; And they propose that the Committee do meet with the Committee appointed by the Commons on Tuesday 3rd December at Ten o'clock in Committee Room 4.
Lords Message considered accordingly. Ordered, That the Committee appointed by this House do meet the Lords Committee as proposed by their Lordships. Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
(1) the matter of the Government's Pre-Budget Report as it relates to Wales be referred to the Welsh Grand Committee for its consideration; (2) the Committee shall meet at Westminster on Thursday 5th December at five minutes to Nine o'clock and at Two o'clock to consider the Government's Pre-Budget Report as it relates to Wales under Standing Order No. 107 (Welsh Grand Committee (matters relating exclusively to Wales)); and Page 43 Thursday 28th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top (3) at the meeting— (a) the Chairman shall interrupt proceedings at Four o'clock; and (b) at the conclusion of those proceedings a motion for the adjournment of the Committee may be made by a Minister of the Crown pursuant to Standing Order No. 108(5) (Welsh Grand Committee (sittings))—(Mr Ivor Caplin):—It was agreed to.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time; An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word ‘That' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Community Care (Delayed Discharges etc.) Bill because it would be divisive and undermine successful working partnerships between the NHS and Social Services Departments; imposes a negative fining system on local authorities rather than promoting positive policies to tackle the problems facing community care; fails to redress the loss of capacity due to over 60,000 beds being closed down in residential care since 1997 and the closure of over 2,000 care homes; fails to recognise that the number of households receiving domiciliary care has fallen by almost 100,000 households; and unfairly penalises local authorities without improving the system of discharging patients from hospital', instead thereof.—(Dr Liam Fox.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mark Hoban, Angela Watkinson: 136. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Ivor Caplin: 238. So the Question was negatived. And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Ivor Caplin: 237. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Hoban, Angela Watkinson: 135. So the Question was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read a second time.
Committal 1. The Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee. Standing Committee 2. Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on Thursday 12th December. 3. The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets. Consideration and Third Reading 4. Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced. 5. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced. 6. Sessional Order B (programming committees) made by the House on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading. Other proceedings 7. Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments or any further messages from the Lords) may be programmed—(Charlotte Atkins); Page 44 Thursday 28th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Ivor Caplin: 228. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Hoban, Angela Watkinson: 119. So the Question was agreed to.
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Community Care (Delayed Discharges etc.) Bill, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of— (a) any expenditure incurred by the Secretary of State by virtue of the Act; and (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided by virtue of any other enactment—(Charlotte Atkins):—It was agreed to.
(1) the Scottish Grand Committee shall meet at Westminster on Tuesday 10th December at half-past Ten o'clock to consider a substantive Motion for the adjournment of the Committee; and (2) in respect of that sitting Standing Order No. 99 (Scottish Grand Committee (substantive motions for the adjournment)) shall have effect with the substitution in paragraph (2)(b) of the word ‘five' for the word ‘ten'.—(Charlotte Atkins.)
(1) residents of South East Essex and surrounding areas against proposals for an airport at Cliffe in Kent, (2) electors of Blaby, South Leicestershire, and others against proposals for an airport between Coventry and Rugby, and (3) Councillor Riaz Chaudhri, the remaining Redlands Ward councillors, Northcourt Avenue Residents' Association, local shopkeepers, students and staff of Reading University and local residents against the closure of Christchurch Road Post Office, Reading, were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till eight minutes past Eight o'clock, adjourned till Monday 2nd December. [Adjourned at 8.08 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
(2) draft Tax Credits (Appeals) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith]. Page 45 Thursday 28th November 2002 2002-2003 Volume 259 Back to top Other Papers:
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(1) The Speaker has appointed Mr John McWilliam Chairman of the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order. (2) The Committee of Selection has discharged Gillian Merron from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr Fraser Kemp.
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(2) Second Report from the Committee [Criminal Justice Bill], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings relating to the Report [No. 83] [Mr Chris Mullin].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Public Service Targets]; to be printed [No. 62-iii] [Tony Wright]. [No. 11; WH, No. 4.] Thursday 28th November 2002. The sitting commenced at half-past Two o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till Tuesday 3rd December. [Adjourned at 5.23 p.m.
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