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THURSDAY 14 NOVEMBER 2002
Afternoon Sitting
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
Defence Committee:
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Foreign Affairs Committee:
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International Development Committee:
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Trade and Industry Committee:
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Mr Bruce George
Patrick Mercer
Rachel Squire
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Donald Anderson
Mr David Chidgey
Sir John Stanley
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John Barrett
Ann Clwyd
Tony Worthington
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Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley
Mr Martin O'Neil
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
[Adjourned till Wednesday 20 November at 10.30 am
WEDNESDAY 20 NOVEMBER 2002
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan in February 2003 and Turkey in March 2003.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.
Ordered, That Mr James Cran and the Clerk do visit the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs, Human Rights and Defence in Brussels in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit 45 Commando, Royal Marines, Arbroath, in connection with the inquiry into the SDR New Chapter.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence on Legacy Pension and Compensation Issues.—(The Chairman)
SDR New Chapter: Colonel Michael J E Taylor CBE TD DL, Colonel Sir David A Trippier RD JP DL and Colonel J Richard G Putnam CBE TD DL, Council of Reserves and Cadets Forces Associations; and Mr John Bridgeman CBE TD DL, Chairman, National Employers' Advisory Board for the Reserves of the Armed Forces, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 27 November at 10.30 am
WEDNESDAY 27 NOVEMBER 2002
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Mr Kevan Jones
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
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The Committee deliberated.
The Future of NATO: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, Edward Oakden, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and Air Marshal Rob Wright AFC, Military Representative to NATO, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned until Wednesday 4 December at 10.00 am
WEDNESDAY 4 DECEMBER 2002
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Defence Academy, Shrivenham, in connection with the inquiry into the SDR New Chapter.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Missile Defence.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Fylingdales, in connection with the inquiry into Missile Defence.—(The Chairman)
SDR New Chapter: Air Chief Marshal Sir Malcolm Pledger KCB OBE AFC, Chief of Defence Logistics, Ministry of Defence, was examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 11 December at 9.00 am
WEDNESDAY 11 DECEMBER 2002
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do carry out pre-legislative scrutiny on the draft Civil Contingencies Bill.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from General Sir Michael Walker, on his appointment as Chief of the Defence Staff.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence on QinetiQ.—(The Chairman)
Army Training and Recruiting Agency: Major General David Leakey CBE, Chief Executive, and Mr Martyn Piper, Deputy Chief Executive, Army Training and Recruiting Agency, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 18 December at 10.00 am
WEDNESDAY 18 DECEMBER 2002
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit 15 Brigade HQ, York, and the Infantry Training School, Catterick.—(The Chairman)
Legacy Pensions and Compensation Issues: Dr Lewis Moonie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State and Minister for Veterans, Ms Liz McLoughlin CBE, Director General, Service Personnel Policy, Ministry of Defence, and Mr Alan Burnham, Chief Executive, Veterans Agency, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Dr Lewis Moonie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State and Minister for Veterans, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 8 January at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 8 JANUARY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 15 January at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 15 JANUARY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr Gerald Howarth
Syd Rapson
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Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 21 January at 2.00 pm
TUESDAY 21 JANUARY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Developments with QinetiQ: Dame Pauline Neville-Jones DCMG, Chairman of QinetiQ, Sir John Chisholm, Chief Executive of QinetiQ, Mr Glenn Youngkin, Managing Director, Carlyle Group; Dr Lewis Moonie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence, Mr Colin Balmer CB, Finance Director, Ministry of Defence, and Martin Earwicker, Chief Executive, Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Dr Lewis Moonie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Tuesday 28 January at 2.00 pm
TUESDAY 28 JANUARY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight
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Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
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In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Gerald Howarth was called to the Chair.
The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Annual Report for 2002), proposed by Mr Gerald Howarth, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 30 read and agreed to.
Annexes agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Mr Bruce George took the Chair.
Draft Report (Missile Defence), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 73 read and agreed to.
Annex [Summary] agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Several memoranda were ordered to be reported to the House.
Resolved, That the Committee should take evidence on the Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Bill.—(The Chairman)
SDR New Chapter: Mr David Gompert, Vice President Emeritus, RAND Corporation, and Mr Bill Robins CBE OBE, BAE Systems, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 February at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 5 FEBRUARY 2003
The Committee met at the Defence Academy, Shrivenham
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Kevan Jones
Patrick Mercer
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Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the First Report from the Committee: Missile Defence) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the First Special Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
SDR New Chapter: Air Vice Marshal Iain McNicoll CBE, Director General, Joint Doctrine and Concepts Centre, Shrivenham and Mr Hugh Kernohan, SDR New Chapter Implementation, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Air Vice Marshal McNicoll and Mr Hugh Kernohan, together with the associated memoranda be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Thursday 27 February at 9.30 am
THURSDAY 27 FEBRUARY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Jim Knight
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Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Bill: Dr Bryan Wells, Director of Proliferation and Arms Control Secretariat, Colonel Philip Rouse, Assistant Director of Proliferation and Arms Control Secretariat, Ministry of Defence, and Kate Smith, Deputy Head of Security Policy Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, were examined.
[Adjourned till Thursday 27 February at 2.30 pm
THURSDAY 27 FEBRUARY 2003
Afternoon Sitting
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A
Members present:
Defence Committee:
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Foreign Affairs Committee:
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International Development Committee:
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Trade and Industry Committee:
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Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
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Mr David Chidgey
Sir John Stanley
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Tony Baldry
Ann Clwyd
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Piara S Khabra
Tony Worthington
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Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley
Mr Martin O'Neill
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2001, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny: Rt Hon Jack Straw, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, and Mr Tim Dowse, Head of Non-Proliferation Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 March at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 5 MARCH 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Civil Contingencies.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from Sir David Omand KCB, Ms Susan Scholefield CMG, and Assistant Commissioner David Veness QPM, on Civil Contingencies.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit Portsmouth in connection with its inquiry into Civil Contingencies.—(The Chairman)
SDR New Chapter: Air Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup KCB AFC, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Equipment Capability) and Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director, Ministry of Defence, were examined; Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, was further examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 March at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 12 MARCH 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight
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Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Civil Contingencies: Sir David Omand KCB, Security and Intelligence Co-ordinator, and Permanent Secretary, Cabinet Office; and Ms Susan Scholefield CMG, Head, Civil Contingencies Secretariat, Cabinet Office, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Sir David Omand and Ms Susan Scholefield, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 26 March at 10.50 am
WEDNESDAY 26 MARCH 2003
The Committee met at the Civic Offices, Portsmouth
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Hancock
Patrick Mercer
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Syd Rapson
Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee take evidence from Rt Hon Nick Raynsford MP, Minister of State, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister on Civil Contingencies.—(The Chairman)
Civil Contingencies: Mr Roger Ching, Acting Chief Executive, Portsmouth City Council, Ms Sheila Clark, Chief Executive, Portsmouth City Primary Care Trust, Captain Martin Putman, Port Manager, Portsmouth Continental Ferry Port, Chief Constable Paul Kearnagan QPM, Hampshire Constabulary, Mr Malcolm Eastwood, Chief Fire Officer, Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service, Mr Richard Mawson, Chief Ambulance Officer, Hampshire Ambulance Service Trust, Commodore Amjad Hussain, Naval Base Commander, Portsmouth, and Major Simon Andrews, 145 Brigade, Aldershot, were examined.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 2 April at 3.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 2 APRIL 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight
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Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Gerald Howarth was called to the Chair.
The Committee deliberated.
Mr Bruce George took the Chair.
Civil Contingencies: Rt Hon Nick Raynsford, a Member of the House, Minister of State, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, Assistant Commissioner David Veness QPM CBE, Metropolitan Police, and Mr Zyg Kowalczyk, Director of the London Resilience Team, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Rt Hon Nick Raynsford, a Member of the House, Assistant Commissioner Veness and Mr Kowalczyk together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Thursday 3 April at 9.30 am
THURSDAY 3 APRIL 2003
Morning Sitting
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A
Defence Committee
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Foreign Affairs Committee
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International Development Committee
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Trade and Industry Committee
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Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth
Rachel Squire
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Mr Bill Olner
Sir John Stanley
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Tony Baldry
Ann Clwyd
Mr Tony Colman
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Mr Roger Berry
Mr Martin O'Neill
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
The Government's proposals for secondary legislation under the Export Control Act: Mr Mike McLaughlin, Head of Government Relations, Rolls Royce Plc, Mr David Hayes, Export Control Manager, Goodrich Corporation, Mr Tim Otter, Vice-President, Business Development Smiths Detection, and Mr Brinley Salzmann, Exports Director, Defence Manufacturers' Association, British Defence Manufacturers' Export Licensing Group; Mr Andy McLean, Head of Communications, Saferworld, and Ms Julia Saunders, Policy Adviser on Conflict and Arms, Oxfam, UK Working Group on Arms, were examined.
[Adjourned till this day at 3.30 pm
THURSDAY 3 APRIL 2003
Afternoon Sitting
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committee's met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No.137A
Members present:
Defence Committee
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Foreign Affairs Committee
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International Development Committee
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Trade and Industry Committee
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Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth
Rachel Squire
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Mr Fabian Hamilton
Sir John Stanley
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Tony Baldry
Ann Clwyd
Mr Tony Colman
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Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley
Mr Martin O'Neill
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
The Government's proposals for secondary legislation under the Export Control Act: Rt Hon Patricia Hewitt, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, and Mr Glyn Williams, Director, Export Control Organisation, Department of Trade and Industry, were examined.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 8 April at 2.30 pm
TUESDAY 8 APRIL 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Hancock
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Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (The Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Bill), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 44 read and agreed to.
Annex [Summary] agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Resolved, that the Committee do inquire into the Lessons of Iraq as soon as hostilities had ceased.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Major Procurement Projects.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee take further evidence on Pensions and Compensation.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Tuesday 6 May at 2.30 pm
TUESDAY 6 MAY 2003
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
Defence Committee:
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Foreign Affairs Committee:
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International Development Committee:
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Trade and Industry Committee:
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Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
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Donald Anderson
Sir Patrick Cormack
Mr John Maples
Sir John Stanley
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John Barrett
Alistair Burt
Ann Clwyd
Mr Piara S Khabra
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Mr Roger Berry
Dr Ashok Kumar
Mr Andrew Lansley
Mr Martin O'Neill
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
Draft Report (The Government's proposals for secondary legislation under the Export Control Act), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be considered concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(c).
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 125 read and agreed to.
Summary agreed to.
DEFENCE COMMITTEE
The Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees withdrew.
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Rachel Squire
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Resolved, that the draft Report (The Government's proposals for secondary legislation under the Export Control Act), prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 137A(2) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That Mr Roger Berry do make the Joint Report to the House.
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2001, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be considered concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 173A(1)(c).
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 184 read and agreed to.
Summary agreed to.
DEFENCE COMMITTEE
The Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees withdrew.
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Rachel Squire
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Resolved, That the draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2001, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 137A (2) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That Mr Roger Berry do make the Joint Report to the House.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 7 May at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 7 MAY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (A New Chapter to the Strategic Defence Review), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 146 read and agreed to.
Annex [Summary] agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Sixth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 13 May at 2.30 pm
TUESDAY 13 MAY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Gerald Howarth
Syd Rapson
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Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces in Iraq in July.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces in Afghanistan in October.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visits.
Defence Procurement: Sir Richard Evans, Chairman, Defence Industries Council (DIC) (and Chairman, BAE Systems), Mr Nick Prest, Vice-Chairman, DIC (and Chairman and Chief Executive of Alvis-Vickers), Mr John Howe CB OBE, Vice-Chairman, Thales-UK, and Mr Colin Green, President, Defence Aerospace, Rolls-Royce, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Sir Richard Evans, Mr Prest, Mr Howe and Mr Green together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 14 May at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 14 MAY 2003
Members present:
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight
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Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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In the absence of the Chairman, Rachel Squire was called to the Chair
The Committee deliberated.
Lessons of Iraq: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 21 May at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 21 MAY 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit the United States of America in September in connection with its inquiry into Lessons of Iraq.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That Rachel Squire and the Clerk do visit Athens on 16–17 June to attend the Conference of Chairmen of Defence Committees, in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.—(The Chairman)
Defence Procurement: Sir Peter Spencer KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, Ministry of Defence, was examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Sir Peter Spencer, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 4 June at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 4 JUNE 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the Third Report from the Committee: Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Bill), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Second Special Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces in Fallingbostel, Germany, in July 2003, in connection with the inquiry into Lessons of Iraq.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Cottesmore in June 2003.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Odiham in July 2003.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee do visit HMS Ocean, Devonport in July 2003.—(The Chairman)
Lessons of Iraq: Mr Paul Beaver, Ashbourne Beaver Associates, Professor Chris Bellamy, Professor of Military Science and Doctrine, Cranfield University, and Dr Barry Posen, Professor of Political Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Beaver, Professor Bellamy and Dr Posen together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 11 June at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 11 JUNE 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Appointment of the new Chief of the Defence Staff: General Sir Michael Walker GCB CMG CBE ADC, was examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by General Sir Michael Walker, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 18 June at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 18 JUNE 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight
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Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Ordered, That Dr Toby Dodge be appointed Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Lessons of Iraq.—(The Chairman)
Lessons of Iraq: Mr Balthasar Staehelin, Delegate General for the Middle East and North Africa, International Committee of the Red Cross, was examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Staehelin, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 25 June at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 25 JUNE 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
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Jim Knight
Mr Frank Roy
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The Committee deliberated.
Defence Procurement: Lord Bach, Minister for Defence Procurement, was examined, Sir Peter Spencer KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, and Lt General Rob Fulton, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Equipment Capability), Ministry of Defence, were further examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Lord Bach, Sir Peter Spencer KCB and Lt General Fulton together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 2 July at 9.30 am
WEDNESDAY 2 JULY 2003
Morning Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Draft Civil Contingencies Bill), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 73 read and agreed to.
Annex [Summary] agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Seventh Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Lessons of Iraq: Ms Audrey Gillan, Special Correspondent, The Guardian, Mr Gavin Hewitt, Special Correspondent, BBC, Mr Bill Neely, International News Editor, ITV News, and Mr Jeremy Thompson, Presenter, Sky News, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Ms Audrey Gillan, Mr Gavin Hewitt, Mr Bill Neely and Mr Jeremy Thompson, together with the associated memoranda be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 2 JULY 2003
Afternoon Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Lessons of Iraq: Mr Mark Urban, Diplomatic Editor, BBC Newsnight, Mr Alex Thomson, Chief Correspondent, Channel 4 News, and Mr Martin Ivens, Deputy Editor, The Sunday Times, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Mark Urban, Mr Alex Thomson and Mr Martin Ivens, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 July at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 9 JULY 2003
Members present:
In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Gerald Howarth was called to the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
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Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Defence Procurement), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 107 read and agreed to.
Annex [Summary] agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Eighth Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the Sixth Report from the Committee: A New Chapter to the Strategic Defence Review) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Third Special Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Resolved, That Mr Paul Beaver be appointed as a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Lessons of Iraq.—(The Chairman)
Syd Rapson took the Chair.
Lessons of Iraq: Lt General John Reith CB CBE, Chief of Joint Operations, Permanent Joint Headquarters, Mr Ian Lee, Director General, Operational Policy, and Rear Admiral Charles Style CBE, Capability Manager (Strategic Deployment), Ministry of Defence, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Lt General Reith, Mr Lee and Rear Admiral Style together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 10 September at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 10 SEPTEMBER 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Defence Storage and Distribution Centre, Bicester.—(The Chairman)
Lessons of Iraq: Air Chief Marshal Sir Malcolm Pledger KCB OBE AFC, Chief of Defence Logistics, Brigadier Derek Jeffrey, Director of Operations, Secretariat and Communications, Defence Logistics Organisation, Colonel David Martin, Assistant Director Supply Chain, Operations, Brigadier Seumas Kerr CBE, Assistant Chief of Staff, Logistics, PJHQ, were examined and Brigadier Shaun Cowlam CBE, Joint Forces Logistic Component Commander, Operation Telic, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Air Chief Marshal Pledger, Brigadier Jeffrey, Colonel Martin, Brigadier Kerr, and Brigadier Cowlam together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 15 October at 10.00 am
WEDNESDAY 15 OCTOBER 2003
Morning Sitting
The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.
Members present:
Defence Committee:
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Foreign Affairs Committee:
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International Development Committee:
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Trade and Industry Committee:
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Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
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Donald Anderson
Sir Patrick Cormack
Mr John Maples
Sir John Stanley
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John Barrett
Alistair Burt
Ann Clwyd
Mr Piara S Khabra
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Mr Roger Berry
Dr Ashok Kumar
Mr Andrew Lansley
Mr Martin O'Neill
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Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).
The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).
[Adjourned until this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 15 OCTOBER 2003
Afternoon Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth
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Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the Eighth Report from the Committee: Defence Procurement) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.
Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Special Report of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Reserves Training and Mobilisation Centre, Chilwell.—(The Chairman)
European Security and Defence: Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director, Dr Sarah Beaver, Director for EU and UN, Ministry of Defence, and Mr Paul Johnston, Head of Security Policy Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Webb, Dr Beaver, and Mr Johnston together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 22 October at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 22 OCTOBER 2003
Members present:
In the absence of the Chairman, Mr David Crausby was called to the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Dai Havard
Mr Mike Hancock
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Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers
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The Committee deliberated.
Lessons of Iraq: Lt General Anthony Palmer CBE, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Personnel), Brigadier Andrew Farquhar CBE, HQ Land Command, Brigadier The Duke of Westminster KG OBE TD DL, Director, Reserve Forces and Cadets, Captain Chris Massie-Taylor OBE, Director, Naval Reserves, and Air Commodore David Case, Plans and Reserves, HQ Strike Command; and Lt General Kevin O'Donoghue CBE, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Health), Vice Admiral Ian Jenkins CVO QHF, Surgeon General, Colonel Steve Howe, PJHQ, Brigadier Alan Hawley OBE, Director, British Forces Germany Health Service, Surgeon Commander David Birt, Hospital Unit, Derriford, and Wing Commander Michael Almond, Officer Commanding, 4626 (AE) Squadron, Royal Auxiliary Air Force, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by, Lt General Palmer, Brigadier Farquhar, Brigadier The Duke of Westminster, Captain Massie-Taylor, Air Commodore Case, Lt General O'Donoghue, Vice Admiral Jenkins, Colonel Howe, Brigadier Hawley, Surgeon Commander Birt, Wing Commander Almond, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 29 October at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 29 OCTOBER 2003
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Dai Havard
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Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit Washington and Norfolk (Virginia) in January 2004, Bosnia and Kosovo in February 2004 and Turkey in March 2004.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 November at 9.30 am
WEDNESDAY 5 NOVEMBER 2003
Morning Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Dai Havard
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Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
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The Committee deliberated.
Lessons of Iraq: Air Marshal Glenn Torpy, Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Strike Command and Air Commodore Chris Nickols, Commandant of the Air Warfare Centre, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Air Marshal Torpy and Air Commodore Nickols, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 5 NOVEMBER 2003
Afternoon Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Dai Havard
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Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
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The Committee deliberated.
Resolved, That the Chairman and the Clerk do visit Brussels on 17 November to attend a Conference on Worldwide Domestic Security, in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)
Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That Mr Gerald Howarth and the Clerk should attend Exercise London Responder in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)
Armed Forces Pensions and Compensation: Mr Ivor Caplin, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State and Minister for Veterans, and Mr Jonathan Iremonger, Director, Service Peronnel Policy (Pensions), Ministry of Defence, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Ivor Caplin, a Member of the House and Mr Jonathan Iremonger, together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 November at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 12 NOVEMBER 2003
Afternoon Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Dai Havard
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Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
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The Committee deliberated.
Lessons of Iraq: Mr Tony Pawson, Director General Corporate Communications and Colonel Paul Brook, Assistant Director, Media Operations Policy, Ministry of Defence, were examined.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of oral evidence given by Mr Tony Pawson and Colonel Paul Brook together with the associated memoranda, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 19 November at 2.30 pm
WEDNESDAY 19 NOVEMBER 2003
Afternoon Sitting
Members present:
Mr Bruce George, in the Chair
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
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Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
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The Committee deliberated.
Mr Crispin Blunt declared an interest in an expected consultancy agreement with Alenia Marconi Systems and the expectation of an Armed Forces preserved pension.
Resolved, That the Committee do visit 16 Air Assault Brigade, Colchester.—(The Chairman)
Resolved, That the Committee to inquire into the MoD Departmental Annual Report.—(The Chairman)
[Adjourned till Wednesday 3 December at 2.30 pm
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