Select Committee on Defence Minutes of Evidence


APPENDIX 4

Memorandum submitted by the Society of British Aerospace Companies (January 2002)

INTRODUCTION

  The Society of British Aerospace Companies (SBAC) represents the interests of the aerospace companies doing business in the UK at all levels of the supply chain. It is also one of four trade associations that supports the Defence Industries Council (DIC), which acts as a focus for interaction with the Government on defence industrial matters, including the break up of the former Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) and the privatisation of QinetiQ. In this context, SBAC has sought to present the views of its members and welcomes this opportunity to address those issues to the House of Commons Defence Committee in preparation for their oral hearings with MoD and QinetiQ.

  Our Members consider that QinetiQ ought to be seen as a major national asset that should deliver benefit to the UK economy as a whole by developing close links with UK Industry to help tackle global markets. The alternative vision of considering QinetiQ solely as a commercial entity on exactly the same terms as other defence companies seems inappropriate while MoD remains a major shareholder in QinetiQ and its main function is to support MoD. SBAC therefore believes that a collaborative approach between QinetiQ and the rest of industry is the right course but perceives HMG to be primarily motivated by the value of its shareholding, which may drive QinetiQ on a different course. At this stage the main problem is uncertainty over the direction of QinetiQ and over where it will be in defence and civil markets in the future. It is very difficult to understand what kind of business QinetiQ will be in five to 10 years time. Industry foresees an awkward few years in its relations with QinetiQ while a number of important issues still have to be satisfactorily resolved, particularly problems associated with the potential leakage of sensitive technology, clearly defining QinetiQ's role as a private sector company and ensuring that MoD does not provide QinetiQ with an unfair competitive advantage, to the detriment of SBAC Members interests.

  The following statements describe SBAC's understanding of the current position and the questions SBAC members would like answered.

Questions from the SBAC

  1.  In order to succeed and prosper QinetiQ must grow its commercial business and this is only likely to be successful in partnership with the rest of defence industrial base. SBAC has therefore suggested that one of the Directors that HMG appoints to the QinetiQ Board should be nominated by the DTI, encouraging the development of QinetiQ's relations with the rest of industry and acting as an honest broker with HMG and industry where problems arise. SBAC does not see such an appointment as inconsistent with the normal duties of a Director, indeed it should be of considerable benefit to QinetiQ in providing a safety valve for some of the other concerns mentioned below. SBAC would envisage such an appointment being maintained only during the transitional phase while MoD has a significant stake in QinetiQ.

  What is the vision of QinetiQ Board for the company in five years time?

  What is MoD's vision of QinetiQ's place in UK defence research and technology in five year's time?

  Has MoD accepted SBAC's proposal for a Director nominated by the DTI?

  2.  HMG, in particular MoD and DTI, have recently launched initiatives on defence industrial policy, innovation and defence technology. It would seem appropriate that QinetiQ, with it special links to MoD and DTI, should have a role to play in the improvement of the UK defence industrial base and the development of UK strengths in innovation and technology. But at the same time MoD seems to be encouraging QinetiQ to operate with complete commercial freedom, and QinetiQ has come under the management control of US interests.

  Does MoD accept that QinetiQ still has a special role in supporting innovation in UK defence technology?

  If so, how can this be reconciled with commercial freedom and US management control?

  3.  Industry was promised that MoD research contracts would be competed at a far greater level than has been the case in the past. This is an issue of great importance to industry and a major factor in QinetiQ being perceived as a commercial company, treated like any other. In practice competition is being introduced at a very slow pace and anecdotal evidence suggests that QinetiQ is being allowed to "cherry pick " key MoD research work on a non-competitive basis. MoD is naturally motivated to increase QinetiQ share value.

  Has MoD made any commitments to QinetiQ on allowing the company to retain non-competitive work?

  Will MoD publish a firm timetable for the introduction of competition to its R&T programmes?

  4.  At the outset industry was assured that QinetiQ would not undertake "the manufacture and supply of equipment, products or systems whose principle use is intended to be for a military, defence or security application". In practise QinetiQ is naturally anxious to expand the range of "technical solutions" that it can provide MoD across the whole spectrum of project life cycles and has the unfettered right to design and manufacture items destined for the civil marketplace and for foreign military customers. More and more companies are coming to regard QinetiQ both as a possible partner and as a potential competitor. QinetiQ will no doubt partner with many overseas interests. This is the usual situation for a defence company but with its close links to MoD, QinetiQ will not be, for the foreseeable future, a "normal" defence company. QinetiQ could therefore have an unfair competitive advantage when it comes to obtaining business both at home and overseas.

  How will MoD ensure a "level playing field" between QinetiQ (and its industrial partners) and the rest of industry?

  Will the normal UK and European competition rules apply to QinetiQ's activities?

  5.  The Carlyle Group now leads commercial management of the company. Carlyle has strong financial links with US Industry eg Vought Aircraft, United Defense etc. UK companies investing in US Defence Manufacturers have, by US law, to ensure that there is a strict set of rules in place to ensure that there is no leakage of inappropriate technology information.

  What is to prevent QinetiQ exporting its technology (gained as DERA in its special relationship with MoD and with UK Industry) to the US?

  What are the implications for UK relations on defence technology with Europe and other parts of the world?

  Should the UK not have protections against leakage of technology in the case of QinetiQ?

  6.  MOD have gone to great lengths to ensure the impartiality of QinetiQ technical advice when it comes to their procurement, by means of an extensive Compliance Regime it has imposed on QinetiQ. However, when it comes to industrial concerns over leakage and possible distortions of competition, the MoD has suggested either that somehow that Regime may help in ways that are unclear, and/or told industry that their fears are exaggerated. Meanwhile industry has only had sight of the broad outline of the Regime.

  Will MoD publish its Compliance Regime for QinetiQ?

  Can MoD still act in the national interest in competitions involving QinetiQ when it also has the interest of being a major shareholder in one of the bidders—should an independent authority be involved in such cases?

  7.  As MoD's in house "technical authority", QinetiQ's predecessor DERA was granted unique access to reports, drawings, specifications, computer programmes and other data generated under international collaborative arrangements and by industry. Protection of this sensitive proprietary information is a major concern of SBAC members. Industry welcomed the Records, Audit, Segregation Project (RASP) which MoD put in place to identify and locate all such third party records held by QinetiQ. MoD assured industry that QinetiQ would only be allowed to retain sensitive proprietary records belonging to other companies where they were required "in conjunction with a continuing MoD contract and where MoD had the legal right to allow QinetiQ such access". The information subsequently divulged to industry after the completion of RASP, however, has been very general and made it very difficult for most companies to assess whether these assurances have been honoured. However, some instances that have been explored in detail reveal that although RASP may have enabled a physical separation of third party and international collaboration data, there are clearly occasions where records were sanctioned for retention for which MoD did not have the necessary legal rights, or had no certain way of knowing what rights apply, and/or were retained for reasons well outside those agreed. Some cases have already emerged; others are likely to be found. Industry wants to be sure that the data of its origin held by QinetiQ is only being used for the purposes for which it was originally supplied, and not as a means of improving QinetiQ own competitiveness to the detriment of the originator?

  How confident is MoD that it has not sanctioned the retention by QinetiQ of a large amount of material outside the terms of its own guidelines for RASP?

  Where material has been sanctioned for retention incorrectly will the responsibility rest with MoD or QinetiQ?

  If responsibility rests with MoD, will MoD compensate companies who can demonstrate they have suffered a commercial loss as a result of incorrect allocation?

  8.  MoD have stated they still will be looking to QinetiQ for impartial technical advice, to carry out a range of testing, clearing urgent operational requirements, supervising and introducing significant upgrades to equipments, and through its Integrated Project Teams that run procurements, to be involved closely in the introduction and in service support of all MoD's major weapon systems and programmes. Some of these roles, in industry's view, are incompatible with QinetiQ's new status as a private sector company, unless strong legal safeguards are put in place. There are a number of legal and ethical problems here that SBAC understands MoD considers its existing procurement regulations cover. In industry's view, where MoD decides to use QinetiQ as its primary technical advisor or to act as an "authority on its behalf" this role must be on terms that are demonstrably fair to all the stakeholders involved, not only to the MoD customer.

  How will MoD ensure that QinetiQ's advice is really impartial?

  Will MoD's procedures be backed up adequate legal safeguards?

  Will MoD consult the other stakeholders in programmes on the use of QinetiQ in an advisory or similar capacity to ensure there are no perceived conflicts of interest?

  9.  Traditionally DERA played a leading role as the MoD technical advisers in setting up and organising international collaborative agreements, not just in the area of research. As a private sector company QinetiQ is now seen by other collaborating nations as an industrial contributor. This could act to the detriment of UK interests, including other UK private sector companies wishing to contribute. This seems to be an inevitable consequence of the transitional nature of QinetiQ, which seems to have special access to technology programmes while also having commercial freedom.

  In the light of the changing attitude of foreign partners towards QinetiQ, how will MoD ensure adequate UK industrial participation in international agreements in future?


 
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