Select Committee on Defence Minutes of Evidence


APPENDIX 6

Memorandum Submitted by the DSTL Trade Unions (13 January 2003)

SUMMARY

  The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) was created in July 2001 with 3,000 of the 12,000 DERA staff. The outstanding issues and developments since then, as seen from the DSTL staff perspective, relate primarily to those staff selected to maintain visibility of that defence research conducted outside government. The concerns include difficulties in:

    —  Maintaining the necessary staff expertise in the longer term.

    —  Obtaining adequately effective access to intellectual property.

    —  Being suitably responsive in collaboration and other circumstances.

  The trade unions further believe that the DSTL site rationalisation, prompted by the separation from QinetiQ, is a damaging distraction.

BACKGROUND

  1.  The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) is a trading fund agency of the MoD. It was created in July 2001 when the larger part of the former DERA was privatised as QinetiQ plc.

  2.  The main separation of staff took place in advance of vesting, around Christmas 2000, with about 9,000 staff going to QinetiQ and 3,000 retained for DSTL. Those staff allocated to DSTL can be considered as three or four groups:

    (A)  Staff at Porton Down, who were retained as a complete community.

    (B)  Staff who were retained at other sites in smaller teams. These subdivide further:

    (B1)  Research teams undertaking research mainly on particularly sensitive work.

    (B2)  Teams of operational analysts undertaking effectiveness assessment of operational systems and new concepts to advise MoD.

    (C)  Single staff members, or extremely small groups, retained from previous larger teams (in a ratio of about one in 10 or 20) to retain visibility of the remaining major part of the defence research programme.

  3.  Very approximately, about a quarter of DSTL staff come from each group. Initially, groups (A) and (B2) retained their previous DERA management structure while (C) and (B1) were structured together as seemed practical. Since then, in April 2002, there has been a major reorganisation. The main effect was to bring together the analysts (B2) with associated systems experts from (C). It also created more alignments with different elements from Porton Down (A).

THE TU PERSPECTIVE

  4.  The trade unions were opposed to the DERA PPP. However DSTL and QinetiQ now exist and the staff, and their representatives, are very much concerned to make a success of the new organisations. This submission reflects the views of the DSTL staff trade unions.

  5.  The separation of QinetiQ from DSTL was completed and DSTL now forms a distinct organisation. Some of the group (C) staff were unsure of their role but all are now fully occupied. Both DSTL and QinetiQ deserve credit for managing new procedures for contracting MoD research that came from the S&T review, at short notice and within weeks of vesting. So there is cause for satisfaction. Nevertheless, this submission focuses on outstanding concerns.

CONCERNS

  DSTL is less than two years old. It will take time to shake out and manage all the repercussions of the separation from DERA. There are also other, new external disturbances. So, it is a dynamic situation. Nevertheless, there are three issues which have already either emerged or been confirmed as areas of difficulty:

    —  Maintenance of Capability.

    —  Use of Intellectual Property.

    —  Obstacles to Responsiveness.

MAINTENANCE OF CAPABILITY.

  7.  Staff from groups (A) and (B) undertake the quite limited range of research which it is assessed as having to be done within government. The limited number of staff from group (C) are tasked with covering the remaining majority of defence related research, for example by leading on international collaboration.

  8.  To do this effectively, the staff must have a considerable breadth and depth of expertise; for effective international research collaboration, they should be of world class in the relevant disciplines. Existing staff have been selected to meet these criteria. However, since DSTL does not undertake the actual research there is no means for junior staff to develop their expertise. So, it is not clear how the current set of experts can be replaced.

  9.  This `succession' problem has been a concern from the outset and management, particularly at the more junior levels, has been giving it active consideration for a year or more. However, suitable staff do not seem to exist to be recruited and no satisfactory solution to the succession problem has been identified.

  10.  Because the staff involved are so thinly spread there is no depth to maintain coverage while a solution is sought. So it may not be long before gaps in capability start to appear.

  11.  A secondary effect is also emerging. Although the existing staff from group (C) currently have the necessary level of expertise, some are already beginning to notice the lack of the stimulation that comes from close interaction with the front-line research. Thus there is likely to be a staleness problem to add to the succession problem in maintaining capability.

USE OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

  12.  Considerable effort was taken, when it was set up, to ensure that DSTL had rights and access to any necessary Intellectual Property. Nevertheless there is a problem, particularly in relation to computer models.

  13.  Using or developing these models often requires considerable background knowledge, much of it tacit. That knowledge typically lies with QinetiQ. Thus, although DSTL has access to the models in a legal sense, in a number of areas it would have difficulty in using them effectively and the associated capability is significantly constrained.

  14.  Recreating the capability within DSTL would take time and resource. It would also create competition with QinetiQ, undermining the goodwill that enables the current capability.

OBSTACLES TO RESPONSIVENESS

  15.  The greater part of the former DERA research capability now lies in QinetiQ. Thus, not infrequently, DSTL has to call on QinetiQ for support. Because QinetiQ is a separate company, this involves formal contract action, which can be awkward or cause delays.

  16.  One example is in international collaboration, where DSTL is required to lead. Opportunities or offers of collaboration often arise only during the international meetings. The DSTL representative can have difficulty in making an immediate positive response because the relevant research will have to be undertaken by QinetiQ (or another company) and that will need to be negotiated.

  17.  A different example is where QinetiQ has a required test capability. There have been cases when urgent requirements have potentially been at risk because of delays caused by having to place contracts. There have also been cases where allies in collaborative activities have had reservations about the involvement of private companies for such tests.

  18.  In practice, because of the willingness of the staff involved to pull together, the problem has usually been awkwardness, rather than a failure to meet critical requirements. However such reliance on goodwill does not provide a robust solution and more appropriate arrangements remain to be worked out.

DSTL SITE RATIONALISATION

  19.  A particular current concern of DSTL staff is the plan for site rationalisation. This will involve relocation of about 40% of the DSTL workforce, with all the concomitant disruption to the lives of the staff members and their families.

  20.  The trade union view is that there is no real justification for this disruption. On the contrary, because it will tend to precipitate staff resignations, it is likely to exacerbate the capability maintenance problem by increasing the number of staff who have to be replaced, by bringing the problem forward and by extending the problem from individuals to the small teams (B1). If anything, it is likely to make the Intellectual Property and Responsiveness problems worse.

  21.  Thus the trade unions believe the site rationalisation will be damaging to DSTL and will divert attention from solving more fundamental problems. It should be said that the DSTL Board have a different view, and theirs has been endorsed by the Minister.

CONCLUSIONS
  (1)  The separation of DSTL from QinetiQ has been completed with some successes.

  (2)  Some of the difficulties inherent in the separation remain to be resolved, in particular the ability of DSTL:

    —  to maintain advanced staff expertise and hence organisational capability;

    —  to access relevant intellectual property effectively; and

    —  to act responsively in international collaboration and urgent operational requirements.

  (3)  Current processes depend on continuing goodwill and co-operation at working level between DSTL and QinetiQ staff.

  (4)  The DSTL site rationalisation is a damaging distraction.

RECOMMENDATIONS

  22.  The Committee may wish to inquire:

  (1)  of the Minister and QinetiQ, how they see the respective roles of QinetiQ staff and the group (C) DSTL staff, and how they should interact.

  (2)  of the Minister how he sees the capability maintenance problem being resolved; and of QinetiQ whether they believe they have a part to play.

  (3)  of the Minister and QinetiQ whether they are content that there is currently reliance on individual goodwill for effective co-operation between DSTL and QinetiQ and, if not, when they envisage it being replaced by more formal contractual arrangements.

  (4)  of the Minister what practical benefits he sees to justify the further disruption of the DSTL site rationalisation.


 
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