Select Committee on Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted by Stuart Drummond, Mayor of Hartlepool

  Thank you for your invitation to provide information to your meeting on 19 November 2003 which will consider the so-called US "Ghost Ships". Despite the very short notice (I was only made aware of this request, and indeed that your committee is meeting, last Friday, 14 November), I am extremely pleased to be asked to contribute to your debate as this is what local people have been requesting—a public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding this ship dismantling project.

  I should say first of all that Hartlepool Borough Council's only direct involvement in this project is through its role as Local Planning Authority (LPA). You will be aware that in this role the LPA is required to consider all planning applications put before it, on their own merits and only taking material considerations into account.

  However, the Council also has a responsibility to act as the voice for local people, and they have two main concerns which we have attempted to articulate:

    —  the importation of toxic waste from the United States of America and its disposal within Hartlepool; and

    —  the lack of transparency within the process.

  So far as our role as the LPA is concerned, we have had no formal decisions to make on this matter until very recently (see below). The Council has not yet been required to determine any planning application by Able UK Ltd. related to this project. Nor has it received any application for a Certificate of Lawfulness of proposed Use or Development under section 192 of the Town and Country Planning Act, despite council officers having suggested to Able UK on several occasions that that would be an appropriate route to clarify the planning position in a formal way.

  (A planning application for a cofferdam was submitted by Able UK on 20 August but was withdrawn on 17 September, prior to determination. In addition, an application for the installation of metal sheering facilities was submitted by European Metal Recycling Limited on 4 August; this application is still being processed prior to submission to the Council's Planning Committee for determination.)

  The Council has, however, had considerable consultations with Able UK on an informal basis, in seeking to clarify the scope and validity of past planning permissions, related to the current project proposals.

  The relevant past permissions can be summarised as follows:

    (a)  TDC/96/091 granted by the Teesside Development Corporation in October 1997, related to a range of uses of the site, including the dismantling/refurbishment of redundant marine structures and equipment, and various operational developments.

    NB Teesside Development Corporation no longer exists. Its planning responsibilities, so far as they relate to the Borough of Hartlepool, have reverted back to this Council.

    (b)  H/FUL/0375/02 granted by the Council in August 2002, related to the continuation of the use of the site originally permitted by the aforementioned TDC/96/091.

    (c)  TDC/95/010 also granted by the Teesside Development Corporation in October 1997, related to the restoration of dock gates and construction and removal of a rock-filled bund (dam).

  The first informal approach to the Council was via a confidential telephone query of officers in March, seeking confirmation that existing planning permissions allowed for the dismantling of ships at the Graythorp (Hartlepool) site. Based on an initial examination of the planning history, officers informally verbally indicated their understanding that the ships could be dismantled within the terms of existing permissions.

  The first details of the proposed project did not emerge, however, until a meeting on 1 July of the standing advisory group, TEAG, which comprises Able UK and a number of regulatory agencies and local environmental interest groups, with the objective of seeking to minimise any detrimental effects on the environment from operators at the Graythorp site.

  Ongoing informal discussions since then between Able UK and the Council have sought to clarify two related planning issues of considerable complexity:

    (a)  Whether there is an extant planning permission to allow for the dismantling of ships.

    (b)  Whether there is an extant permission to allow for the construction of a bund/dam and dock gates(s) so as to create a dry dock.

  It is Able UK's responsibility to establish the validity of past planning permissions, by reference to such factors as the discharge of planning conditions and a lawful start on development.

  Consideration of these matters by council officers has involved detailed examination of past records from Able UK, the Teesside Development Corporation and the Borough Council and the taking of impartial legal advice from Counsel on these records and legal opinion submitted by Able UK. This has necessitated substantial commitment of staff resources since July, in seeking to clarify these matters and in seeking to liaise with the other regulatory bodies involved in the wider project.

  In relation to item (a) above, Council officers have advised Able UK that based on the information available, it is the Council's view that the company has permission for the dismantling and refurbishment of ships; this was considered to be covered by the H/FUL/0375/02 permission for the continued use of the site, as originally granted under TDC/096/091. This view is subject to Judicial Review proceedings scheduled for 15-16 December.

  In relation to item (b) above, the Council's position to date, based upon the information available and Counsel's advice, is that we do not accept that there is an extant permission upon which the company can rely. The company has accordingly been invited to submit a new planning application for their proposals to construct a dam and dock gates. Able UK however continues to contend that it can rely on past permissions and seeks to submit further evidence with a view to establishing that position. Officers continue to consult with Able in this respect and to take legal advice on these matters.

  In parallel with consideration of the planning position, officers also responded to consultation from the Environment Agency on proposed modifications of the Waste Management Licence for the Graythorp site, relating to the dismantling of ships and the tonnage of waste which could be dealt with at the site. Utilising delegated powers, officers indicated on 22 September that given that the planning permissions previously granted did not impose any restrictions on maximum tonnages and that the Council was of the belief that ships could be dismantled under the terms of previous permissions, the Council did not wish to object to the proposed licence modification.

  The Council at its meeting on 23 October indicated that it wished all substantive planning views and decisions on this project to be considered and agreed by the Planning Committee, rather than rely on the normal officer delegations.

  The first formal consideration of this project by the Planning Committee was on 3 November, when the Committee were advised of the Judicial Review proceedings. Subsequently, on 12 November, the Committee met to respond to the Environment Agency's emergency consultation on proposed modifications to the Waste Management Licence, to cater for the storage of ships at Graythorp site. The Committee requested that certain proposed conditions were amended, reflecting its concern that transparent and robust inspection and monitoring arrangements are put in place. These matters represent the total involvement to date of the Planning Committee in this project.

  Turning now to the Council's responsibility to act as the voice for local people, and your specific question to inform you when I first became aware of this project, I can say that I personally became aware of this through the press on my return from holiday during the first week of August. I understand that the first formal indication of this project to the Council occurred during July 2003.

  As set out above, there was some informal contact with officers before July but I should emphasise that officers regularly receive commercially confidential requests for informal advice and/or information, so contact of this nature in respect to this ship dismantling contract was nothing out of the ordinary.

  The first official involvement of the Council was on 18 July when the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) asked for views on their providing an exemption certificate under the Asbestos (Prohibitions) Regulations. It should be noted that this consultation was at the behest of the Minister for Works and Pensions rather than as part of a prescribed formal consultation process. In order to explain the basis for council officers" response to this request, I need to summarise this, and all other councils" decision-making processes.

  Each year the Council is required to agree a budget and a "policy framework". Implementation of the budget and policies is delegated to myself as Elected Mayor. I in turn formally delegate responsibility to members of my Cabinet, and to officers of the Council. Under this scheme of delegation, chief officers have the authority to respond to Government consultations after consulting the relevant member of the Cabinet.

  On receipt of the HSE request on 18 July, to which they required a response by 25 July, rather than just consulting the relevant Cabinet member as required by the scheme of delegation, the then acting Director of Regeneration and Planning considered it appropriate to consult with as many Cabinet members as possible in the limited time available. This sounding of members" views took place at an informal meeting of Cabinet on 23 July. The appropriate response (the basis for which, and its content, is summarised below) was e-mailed to the HSE on 25 July.

  Hartlepool Council works to a number of corporate objectives arising from its adoption of Hartlepool Partnership's Community Strategy. The two objectives relevant to the ships dismantling project are:

    —  Jobs and the Economy

        "Develop a more enterprising, vigorous and diverse local economy that will attract investment, be globally competitive and create more employment opportunities for local people."

    —  The Environment

        "Secure a more attractive and sustainable environment that is safe, clean and tidy. . ."

  Able UK has attracted inward investment following a competitive tender, which I believe involved other companies worldwide, and has the potential to create employment opportunities. Thus the proposal is in alignment with the Council's objective on Jobs and the Economy.

  The response to the HSE also indicated that reasonable efforts need to be made to ensure that the jobs created are offered to local people, recruited locally and appropriately trained, equipped and supervised.

  So far as questions relating to our Environmental objective are concerned, I believe the caveats set out within the e-mail addressed those concerns. Support on economic regeneration grounds was given without prejudice to any further consents or permissions that may be required, and subject to the following:

    —  "The imposition of strict conditions concerning the health and safety regime employed to ensue the safe removal and disposal of the asbestos and other materials, the adherence of the strictly controlled conditions to which you refer and the strict monitoring and control of the licensee's performance through the HSE and the Environmental Agency."

    —  "The proper security and operation of the sites involved, to safeguard the health and safety of the community and the workforce, and to protect the environment."

    —  "The necessary safeguards to ensue that the proposal does not adversely affect the integrity of the SPAs, RAMSAR sites and SSSIs."

  Officers, on the Council's behalf, thus gave heavily qualified approval to the HSE issuing the exemption certificate.

  The local employment element of this project was considered by the Council's Portfolio Holder for Regeneration and the Economy on 14 August. His decision was to welcome the significant job creation associated with this project and to endorse the proposed local recruitment service to be developed with Able UK and relevant partner agencies.

  Questions were raised about this project during the public participation section of our Council meeting on 11 September. The following motion was debated and agreed:

  "That the Council ask the Scrutiny Co-ordinating Committee to examine the issues in totality with regard to processes and projects undertaken on the site, taking into consideration the SSSI sites in the area which had been designated since the planning application approved by the Teesside Development Company in 1996, and that the inquiry be held as soon as possible."

  The Chief Solicitor reminded the Council that the Scrutiny Committee would not be able to direct the Planning Committee as to the determination of any relevant planning application, and this was recorded in the Minutes of the meeting. It was also noted that the planning process would have to proceed according to the planning timetable.

  The Council then debated and agreed to a further motion that this issue be referred to the Council's Neighbourhood Consultative Forums for consideration.

  The Council has three Neighbourhood Forums it uses to consult with local people. A joint meeting of these Forums took place on 3 October, during which considerable opposition to the proposals was expressed.

  Questions by elected members were next debated by Council at its meeting on 23 October, and it resolved as follows:

  "We request the Chairman call an Extraordinary meeting of the Council to discuss the admission by the Secretary of State at the Ministry of Transport that he has the power to reroute the Ghost Ships and turn them back and propose the following motion that the Council immediately contact the Secretary of State and ask that he use these powers and turn back the ships."

  This meeting took place on 4 November and those members present unanimously agreed the motion. In between these dates, on 31 October, Scrutiny Committee held a meeting to take evidence from those involved in the processes surrounding this project. It lasted for the full day with presentations being given by Able UK and all agencies involved, including the Council. Questions were asked of those presenting by elected members and members of the public. The Scrutiny Co-ordinating Committee will meet again tomorrow (18 November) to discuss the next stage in the scrutiny process.

  Following the Council resolution of 4 November the Chief Executive, on behalf of the Council, has written to the Ministers for Transport and the Environment asking that the ships be returned to the USA. I have written to the Prime Minister suggesting that the ships which have crossed the Atlantic be held in a Naval dock yard during the Winter months, pending their return to the USA as required by international law, and that a Public Inquiry be held to examine this issue.

  I believe that I have accurately summarised the Council's position to date, but as you have also specifically requested that I set out exactly what toxic materials I believe are on board the ships, I'll now do so.

  My understanding is that approximately 98% of the ship will be reused or recycled, as this is merely scrap metal. Most of the hazardous materials on board the ships are contained in their structure, as they were part of their construction. They consist of white asbestos which form part of the bulkheads, and PCBs contained in wiring, gaskets, seals, and the like. I believe that any liquid PCBs which may have been present were removed before the ships set sail. The residual oils on board the ships will be very small in quantity.

  Whilst the quantities of these toxins may be small, I believe the principle enshrined in international law, that the producing country deals with its own waste, is paramount.

  In conclusion I would like to submit four recommendations for the Committee's consideration:

  1.  If in the event that the necessary permissions are obtained to allow the current contract to proceed, the toxic waste extracted from these ships be returned to the United States of America.

  2.  For future contracts of this nature, there be a contractual requirement that as much of the hazardous substances as possible be removed in the country of origin, with the balance being returned to the country of origin following dismantling.

  3.  The processes for agreeing to the importation of hazardous substances into the UK be made more publicly transparent, with at least the "recipient" local authority being formally consulted.

  4.  One Government Department/Agency to act as "lead agency" to be responsible for co-ordination of all agencies involved and the consultation process.Thank you once again for providing the Council with the opportunity to give evidence to your committee. I hope I have been able to cover everything you require in the time available.

17 November 2003


 
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