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REMOVAL OF REFERENCES TO STRANGERS

Motion made, and Question put,

That, with effect from the beginning of the next Session of Parliament, the following amendments be made to the Standing Orders of the House:

No. 89 (Procedure in standing committees): in paragraph (2), leave out 'Strangers' and insert 'The public';

No. 125 (Strangers (select committees)): leave out the title and insert 'Select committees (admission of the public)'; and in paragraph (1), leave out 'strangers' and insert 'the public';

No. 149 (Committee on Standards and Privileges): in paragraph (8), leave out 'strangers' and insert 'the public';

No. 161 (Duties of Serjeant at Arms with respect to strangers): in the title, leave out 'strangers' and insert 'the public'; in paragraph (1), leave out 'stranger' in the two places where it appears and insert 'member of the public' in each place, and leave out 'strangers' and insert 'the public'; and in paragraph (2), leave out 'strangers' and insert 'members of the public'.

No. 162 (Places to which strangers are not admitted): in the title, leave out 'strangers' and insert 'the public'; and, in the Standing Order, leave out 'stranger' and insert 'member of the public'.—[Mr. Woolas.]

The House divided: Ayes 242, Noes 167.

Division No. 284 [6:55 pm


AYES

Adams, Irene (Paisley N)
Ainger, Nick
Ainsworth, Bob (Cov'try NE)
Allen, Graham
Anderson, rh Donald (Swansea E)
Atherton, Ms Candy
Atkins, Charlotte
Austin, John
Bailey, Adrian
Baird, Vera
Banks, Tony
Barnes, Harry
Barron, rh Kevin
Begg, Miss Anne
Benton, Joe (Bootle)
Bercow, John
Berry, Roger
Blackman, Liz
Blizzard, Bob
Boateng, rh Paul
Borrow, David
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin)
Bradshaw, Ben
Brake, Tom (Carshalton)
Breed, Colin
Brennan, Kevin
Bruce, Malcolm
Bryant, Chris
Burden, Richard
Byers, rh Stephen
Byrne, Liam (B'ham Hodge H)
Cable, Dr. Vincent
Cairns, David
Carmichael, Alistair
Casale, Roger
Caton, Martin
Challen, Colin
Chapman, Ben (Wirral S)
Chaytor, David
Chidgey, David
Clark, Dr. Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands)
Clarke, rh Tom (Coatbridge & Chryston)
Clwyd, Ann (Cynon V)
Coffey, Ms Ann
Cohen, Harry
Connarty, Michael
Cotter, Brian
Cousins, Jim
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, John (Hornchurch)
Cunningham, Jim (Coventry S)
Cunningham, Tony (Workington)
Darling, rh Alistair
Davey, Valerie (Bristol W)
Davies, rh Denzil (Llanelli)
Dean, Mrs Janet
Denham, rh John
Doran, Frank
Dorrell, rh Stephen
Doughty, Sue
Dowd, Jim (Lewisham W)
Drew, David (Stroud)
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey)
Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston)
Edwards, Huw
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Ennis, Jeff (Barnsley E)
Etherington, Bill
Ewing, Annabelle
Farrelly, Paul
Fitzsimons, Mrs Lorna
Flynn, Paul (Newport W)
Follett, Barbara
Foster, rh Derek
Foster, Don (Bath)
Foster, Michael (Worcester)
Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings & Rye)
Foulkes, rh George
Gapes, Mike (Ilford S)
George, Andrew (St. Ives)
Gerrard, Neil
Gibson, Dr. Ian
Gidley, Sandra
Gilroy, Linda
Goggins, Paul
Green, Damian (Ashford)
Green, Matthew (Ludlow)
Griffiths, Jane (Reading E)
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Grogan, John
Hain, rh Peter
Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale)
Hall, Patrick (Bedford)
Hamilton, David (Midlothian)
Hanson, David
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harvey, Nick
Healey, John
Heath, David
Heppell, John
Hewitt, rh Ms Patricia
Heyes, David
Hill, Keith (Streatham)
Hinchliffe, David
Holmes, Paul
Hope, Phil (Corby)
Howarth, George (Knowsley N & Sefton E)
Hoyle, Lindsay
Hughes, Simon (Southwark N)
Humble, Mrs Joan
Iddon, Dr. Brian
Illsley, Eric
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield)
Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)
Jones, Lynne (Selly Oak)
Joyce, Eric (Falkirk W)
Kemp, Fraser
Kidney, David
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green & Bow)
Kirkwood, Sir Archy
Knight, Jim (S Dorset)
Lamb, Norman
Lammy, David
Laws, David (Yeovil)
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lewis, Terry (Worsley)
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C)
Llwyd, Elfyn
Lucas, Ian (Wrexham)
McCafferty, Chris
McDonagh, Siobhain
McFall, rh John
McGuire, Mrs Anne
McIsaac, Shona
McKechin, Ann
Mackinlay, Andrew
McLoughlin, Patrick
McWalter, Tony
McWilliam, John
Mahon, Mrs Alice
Mallaber, Judy
Marris, Rob (Wolverh'ton SW)
Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S)
Marshall, David (Glasgow Shettleston)
Merron, Gillian
Miller, Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moore, Michael
Moran, Margaret
Morgan, Julie
Munn, Ms Meg
Murrison, Dr. Andrew
Naysmith, Dr. Doug
O'Brien, Bill (Normanton)
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks)
Owen, Albert
Palmer, Dr. Nick
Perham, Linda
Picking, Anne
Pike, Peter (Burnley)
Plaskitt, James
Pollard, Kerry
Pond, Chris (Gravesham)
Pope, Greg (Hyndburn)
Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Price, Adam (E Carmarthen & Dinefwr)
Primarolo, rh Dawn
Prosser, Gwyn
Pugh, Dr. John
Purchase, Ken
Quin, rh Joyce
Rapson, Syd (Portsmouth N)
Raynsford, rh Nick
Reid, Alan (Argyll & Bute)
Reid, rh Dr. John (Hamilton N & Bellshill)
Rendel, David
Robinson, Geoffrey (Coventry NW)
Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Roy, Frank (Motherwell)
Ruane, Chris
Ruddock, Joan
Russell, Bob (Colchester)
Ryan, Joan (Enfield N)
Salmond, Alex
Savidge, Malcolm
Sawford, Phil
Sheridan, Jim
Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S)
Singh, Marsha
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, rh Andrew (Oxford E)
Smith, rh Chris (Islington S & Finsbury)
Smith, Geraldine (Morecambe & Lunesdale)
Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Smith, John (Glamorgan)
Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns & Kincardine)
Spellar, rh John
Stewart, David (Inverness E & Lochaber)
Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Stinchcombe, Paul
Straw, rh Jack
Stunell, Andrew
Tami, Mark (Alyn)
Taylor, Dari (Stockton S)
Taylor, David (NW Leics)
Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Taylor, Dr. Richard (Wyre F)
Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W)
Thomas, Gareth (Harrow W)
Timms, Stephen
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mark (S Derbyshire)
Trickett, Jon
Turner, Dr. Desmond (Brighton Kemptown)
Twigg, Derek (Halton)
Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Tyler, Paul (N Cornwall)
Tynan, Bill (Hamilton S)
Vis, Dr. Rudi
Walley, Ms Joan
Wareing, Robert N.
Watson, Tom
Watts, David
Webb, Steve (Northavon)
Weir, Michael
White, Brian
Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Willetts, David
Williams, Betty (Conwy)
Williams, Hywel (Caernarfon)
Williams, Roger (Brecon)
Wishart, Pete
Wood, Mike (Batley)
Woolas, Phil
Wright, Anthony D. (Gt Yarmouth)
Wyatt, Derek
Young, rh Sir George
Younger-Ross, Richard

Tellers for the Ayes:

Paul Clark and
Mr. Jim Murphy


NOES

Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey)
Amess, David
Arbuthnot, rh James
Bacon, Richard
Barker, Gregory
Baron, John (Billericay)
Beard, Nigel
Bellingham, Henry
Beresford, Sir Paul
Blunt, Crispin
Boswell, Tim
Bottomley, rh Virginia (SW Surrey)
Brazier, Julian
Browning, Mrs Angela
Burnside, David
Burt, Alistair
Butterfill, Sir John
Campbell, Gregory (E Lond'y)
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies (NE Fife)
Cash, William
Chapman, Sir Sydney (Chipping Barnet)
Chope, Christopher
Clapham, Michael
Clappison, James
Clarke, rh Kenneth (Rushcliffe)
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Coaker, Vernon
Conway, Derek
Cormack, Sir Patrick
Crausby, David
Davey, Edward (Kingston)
Davidson, Ian
Davis, rh David (Haltemprice & Howden)
Dismore, Andrew
Djanogly, Jonathan
Dobbin, Jim (Heywood)
Dodds, Nigel
Donaldson, Jeffrey M.
Donohoe, Brian H.
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth
Evans, Nigel
Fallon, Michael
Field, Mark (Cities of London & Westminster)
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flook, Adrian
Forth, rh Eric
Fox, Dr. Liam
Francis, Dr. Hywel
Francois, Mark
Garnier, Edward
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl
Gray, James (N Wilts)
Grayling, Chris
Grieve, Dominic
Harris, Tom (Glasgow Cathcart)
Hayes, John (S Holland)
Heald, Oliver
Heathcoat-Amory, rh David
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich)
Hendrick, Mark
Hermon, Lady
Hoban, Mark (Fareham)
Hoey, Kate (Vauxhall)
Hogg, rh Douglas
Hopkins, Kelvin
Horam, John (Orpington)
Howells, Dr. Kim
Hughes, Beverley (Stretford & Urmston)
Hurst, Alan (Braintree)
Jack, rh Michael
Jenkin, Bernard
Jenkins, Brian
Jones, Kevan (N Durham)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S)
Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Knight, rh Greg (E Yorkshire)
Ladyman, Dr. Stephen
Laing, Mrs Eleanor
Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Lawrence, Mrs Jackie
Laxton, Bob (Derby N)
Leigh, Edward
Letwin, rh Oliver
Lewis, Ivan (Bury S)
Lewis, Dr. Julian (New Forest E)
Liddell-Grainger, Ian
Lidington, David
Lilley, rh Peter
Loughton, Tim
Love, Andrew
Luff, Peter (M-Worcs)
McAvoy, Thomas
MacDougall, John
McIntosh, Miss Anne
Mackay, rh Andrew
McKenna, Rosemary
Maclean, rh David
McNulty, Tony
Mahmood, Khalid
Maples, John
Martlew, Eric
Maude, rh Francis
Mawhinney, rh Sir Brian
May, rh Mrs Theresa
Meale, Alan (Mansfield)
Michael, rh Alun
Moonie, Dr. Lewis
O'Hara, Edward
Olner, Bill
Öpik, Lembit
Organ, Diana
Osborne, George (Tatton)
Paisley, Rev. Ian
Paterson, Owen
Pearson, Ian
Pickles, Eric
Pickthall, Colin
Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Randall, John
Redwood, rh John
Robertson, Hugh (Faversham & M-Kent)
Robertson, John (Glasgow Anniesland)
Robertson, Laurence (Tewk'b'ry)
Robinson, Mrs Iris (Strangford)
Robinson, Peter (Belfast E)
Rosindell, Andrew
Ruffley, David
Sanders, Adrian
Sarwar, Mohammad
Sayeed, Jonathan
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Barry
Shephard, rh Mrs Gillian
Shepherd, Richard
Simmonds, Mark
Simpson, Keith (M-Norfolk)
Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Smyth, Rev. Martin (Belfast S)
Southworth, Helen
Spink, Bob (Castle Point)
Squire, Rachel
Steen, Anthony
Steinberg, Gerry
Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
Streeter, Gary
Stringer, Graham
Swayne, Desmond
Swire, Hugo (E Devon)
Syms, Robert
Tapsell, Sir Peter
Taylor, rh Ann (Dewsbury)
Taylor, John (Solihull)
Taylor, Sir Teddy
Touhig, Don (Islwyn)
Turner, Andrew (Isle of Wight)
Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE)
Tyrie, Andrew
Viggers, Peter
Whittingdale, John
Widdecombe, rh Miss Ann
Wiggin, Bill
Wilkinson, John
Wilshire, David
Winterton, Sir Nicholas (Macclesfield)
Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Wright, David (Telford)
Yeo, Tim (S Suffolk)

Tellers for the Noes:

Angela Watkinson and
Mr. Paul Goodman


Question accordingly agreed to.

 
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