4. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced.
Throughout the deliberations on the Bill, we have always tried to achieve consensus, and I think that for the most part we have managed to do so. There has been good communication and consultation throughout. I know that the Opposition have views about programme motions. I hope that they will not divide the House, but if they do so, we will continue to have constructive discussions later.
1.1 pm
Mrs. Cheryl Gillan (Chesham and Amersham) (Con):
I am grateful to the Minister, who is right that we have had a great deal of consensus during the passage of the Bill. That is quite right, because of the sensitive subject matter and the fact that the Government have tried to do something in this area. However, this Bill started its passage back in December last year in another place. It has taken a long time to get here and it has been changed many times on its way. As late as this morning, we are seeing fresh announcements from the Home Office that concern the subject matter of the Bill. The motion is most inappropriate in this case because it will not give us an opportunity for proper discussion. I have no choice but to divide the House as a matter of principle.
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1.2 pm
Ms Julia Drown (South Swindon) (Lab):
I think that it is important for us to programme the proceedings, but I would be grateful to know whether my hon. Friend the Minister can assure the House that we will have enough time to discuss the need for mandatory risk assessments in family court proceedings, because there are concerns about children who have been killed when courts have ordered residence or contact orders that have been unsupervised.
1.3 pm
Mr. David Heath (Somerton and Frome) (LD):
The hon. Member for South Swindon (Ms Drown) has raised an important issueone of many substantial issues that will not, sadly, be adequately debated in one day of Report and Third Reading. That is the real problem: we simply do not enough time to do justice to what is a very important and complicated Bill on which many people will wish to put to the Government serious arguments about its application in due course. That is why the Liberal Democrats also oppose the motion.
1.4 pm
Paul Goggins:
I anticipate that we will get to the issues raised by my hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon (Ms Drown). I certainly hope that we will do so, and that we will get to a great many others as well. The sooner we can proceed to those discussions, the better.
Question put:
The House divided: Ayes 280, Noes 144.
Division No. 286
[1:04 pm
AYES
Adams, Irene
(Paisley N)
Ainger, Nick
Ainsworth, Bob
(Cov'try NE)
Allen, Graham
Anderson, rh Donald
(Swansea E)
Armstrong, rh Ms Hilary
Atherton, Ms Candy
Atkins, Charlotte
Austin, John
Bailey, Adrian
Baird, Vera
Barnes, Harry
Beard, Nigel
Beckett, rh Margaret
Begg, Miss Anne
Bell, Sir Stuart
Berry, Roger
Best, Harold
Blair, rh Tony
Blears, Ms Hazel
Boateng, rh Paul
Borrow, David
Bradley, rh Keith
(Withington)
Bradley, Peter
(The Wrekin)
Bradshaw, Ben
Brennan, Kevin
Bryant, Chris
Burden, Richard
Burnham, Andy
Byers, rh Stephen
Byrne, Liam
(B'ham Hodge H)
Cairns, David
Casale, Roger
Caton, Martin
Challen, Colin
Chapman, Ben
(Wirral S)
Chaytor, David
Clapham, Michael
Clark, Dr. Lynda
(Edinburgh Pentlands)
Clark, Paul
(Gillingham)
Clarke, rh Tom
(Coatbridge & Chryston)
Clarke, Tony
(Northampton S)
Clwyd, Ann
(Cynon V)
Coaker, Vernon
Coffey, Ms Ann
Connarty, Michael
Cook, Frank
(Stockton N)
Cook, rh Robin
(Livingston)
Corston, rh Jean
Cranston, Ross
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, John
(Hornchurch)
Cunningham, Tony
(Workington)
Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire
Darling, rh Alistair
Davey, Valerie
(Bristol W)
Davidson, Ian
Davies, rh Denzil
(Llanelli)
Dawson, Hilton
Dean, Mrs Janet
Dhanda, Parmjit
Dismore, Andrew
Dobbin, Jim
(Heywood)
Donohoe, Brian H.
Doran, Frank
Dowd, Jim
(Lewisham W)
Drew, David
(Stroud)
Drown, Ms Julia
Eagle, Angela
(Wallasey)
Eagle, Maria
(L'pool Garston)
Edwards, Huw
Efford, Clive
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Ennis, Jeff
(Barnsley E)
Farrelly, Paul
Field, rh Frank
(Birkenhead)
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Fitzsimons, Mrs Lorna
Flint, Caroline
Flynn, Paul
(Newport W)
Foster, rh Derek
Foster, Michael
(Worcester)
Francis, Dr. Hywel
Gapes, Mike
(Ilford S)
George, rh Bruce
(Walsall S)
Gerrard, Neil
Gilroy, Linda
Goggins, Paul
Griffiths, Jane
(Reading E)
Griffiths, Nigel
(Edinburgh S)
Griffiths, Win
(Bridgend)
Grogan, John
Hain, rh Peter
Hall, Mike
(Weaver Vale)
Hall, Patrick
(Bedford)
Hamilton, David
(Midlothian)
Hanson, David
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harris, Tom
(Glasgow Cathcart)
Havard, Dai
(Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney)
Healey, John
Henderson, Ivan
(Harwich)
Hendrick, Mark
Heppell, John
Hewitt, rh Ms Patricia
Hill, Keith
(Streatham)
Hinchliffe, David
Hood, Jimmy
(Clydesdale)
Hope, Phil
(Corby)
Howarth, rh Alan
(Newport E)
Howarth, George
(Knowsley N & Sefton E)
Hughes, Beverley
(Stretford & Urmston)
Humble, Mrs Joan
Hume, John
(Foyle)
Hurst, Alan
(Braintree)
Iddon, Dr. Brian
Illsley, Eric
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
(Hampstead & Highgate)
Jackson, Helen
(Hillsborough)
Jamieson, David
Jenkins, Brian
Johnson, Alan
(Hull W)
Johnson, Miss Melanie
(Welwyn Hatfield)
Jones, Helen
(Warrington N)
Jones, Kevan
(N Durham)
Jones, Lynne
(Selly Oak)
Jones, Martyn
(Clwyd S)
Joyce, Eric
(Falkirk W)
Kaufman, rh Sir Gerald
Keen, Alan
(Feltham)
Keen, Ann
(Brentford)
Kelly, Ruth
(Bolton W)
Kidney, David
King, Andy
(Rugby)
King, Ms Oona
(Bethnal Green & Bow)
Knight, Jim
(S Dorset)
Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lawrence, Mrs Jackie
Laxton, Bob
(Derby N)
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lepper, David
Leslie, Christopher
Levitt, Tom
(High Peak)
Lewis, Ivan
(Bury S)
Liddell, rh Mrs Helen
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony
(Manchester C)
Love, Andrew
Lucas, Ian
(Wrexham)
Luke, Iain
(Dundee E)
McAvoy, Thomas
McCafferty, Chris
McDonagh, Siobhain
McDonnell, John
MacDougall, John
McFall, rh John
McGuire, Mrs Anne
McIsaac, Shona
McKechin, Ann
McKenna, Rosemary
Mackinlay, Andrew
McNamara, Kevin
McNulty, Tony
MacShane, Denis
McWalter, Tony
Mahon, Mrs Alice
Mallaber, Judy
Marris, Rob
(Wolverh'ton SW)
Marsden, Gordon
(Blackpool S)
Marshall, David
(Glasgow Shettleston)
Marshall-Andrews, Robert
Martlew, Eric
Michael, rh Alun
Milburn, rh Alan
Miliband, David
Miller, Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moonie, Dr. Lewis
Morgan, Julie
Morley, Elliot
Mudie, George
Munn, Ms Meg
Murphy, Denis
(Wansbeck)
Murphy, Jim
(Eastwood)
Murphy, rh Paul
(Torfaen)
Naysmith, Dr. Doug
O'Brien, Bill
(Normanton)
O'Brien, Mike
(N Warks)
O'Hara, Edward
Olner, Bill
O'Neill, Martin
Organ, Diana
Owen, Albert
Palmer, Dr. Nick
Pearson, Ian
Perham, Linda
Picking, Anne
Pickthall, Colin
Pike, Peter
(Burnley)
Plaskitt, James
Pollard, Kerry
Pond, Chris
(Gravesham)
Pope, Greg
(Hyndburn)
Pound, Stephen
Prentice, Ms Bridget
(Lewisham E)
Prentice, Gordon
(Pendle)
Purchase, Ken
Purnell, James
Quin, rh Joyce
Quinn, Lawrie
Rapson, Syd
(Portsmouth N)
Reed, Andy
(Loughborough)
Robertson, John
(Glasgow Anniesland)
Roche, Mrs Barbara
Rooney, Terry
Ross, Ernie
(Dundee W)
Roy, Frank
(Motherwell)
Ruane, Chris
Ruddock, Joan
Russell, Ms Christine
(City of Chester)
Salter, Martin
Sarwar, Mohammad
Savidge, Malcolm
Sawford, Phil
Sedgemore, Brian
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheridan, Jim
Simon, Siôn
(B'ham Erdington)
Simpson, Alan
(Nottingham S)
Singh, Marsha
Skinner, Dennis
Smith, rh Andrew
(Oxford E)
Smith, Angela
(Basildon)
Smith, Geraldine
(Morecambe & Lunesdale)
Smith, Llew
(Blaenau Gwent)
Southworth, Helen
Spellar, rh John
Squire, Rachel
Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Steinberg, Gerry
Stewart, David
(Inverness E & Lochaber)
Stewart, Ian
(Eccles)
Stinchcombe, Paul
Stoate, Dr. Howard
Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Tami, Mark
(Alyn)
Taylor, rh Ann
(Dewsbury)
Taylor, Dari
(Stockton S)
Taylor, David
(NW Leics)
Thomas, Gareth
(Clwyd W)
Timms, Stephen
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mark
(S Derbyshire)
Touhig, Don
(Islwyn)
Trickett, Jon
Turner, Dennis
(Wolverh'ton SE)
Twigg, Derek
(Halton)
Twigg, Stephen
(Enfield)
Tynan, Bill
(Hamilton S)
Vis, Dr. Rudi
Walley, Ms Joan
Wareing, Robert N.
Watson, Tom
Watts, David
White, Brian
Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Wicks, Malcolm
Williams, rh Alan
(Swansea W)
Williams, Betty
(Conwy)
Winnick, David
Wood, Mike
(Batley)
Woodward, Shaun
Woolas, Phil
Wright, Anthony D.
(Gt Yarmouth)
Wright, David
(Telford)
Wyatt, Derek
Tellers for the Ayes:
Joan Ryan and
Margaret Moran
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter
(E Surrey)
Bacon, Richard
Baker, Norman
Baron, John
(Billericay)
Beggs, Roy
(E Antrim)
Beresford, Sir Paul
Blunt, Crispin
Boswell, Tim
Bottomley, rh Virginia
(SW Surrey)
Brake, Tom
(Carshalton)
Brazier, Julian
Breed, Colin
Browning, Mrs Angela
Bruce, Malcolm
Burnett, John
Burns, Simon
Burstow, Paul
Burt, Alistair
Butterfill, Sir John
Cable, Dr. Vincent
Cameron, David
Campbell, Gregory
(E Lond'y)
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies
(NE Fife)
Carmichael, Alistair
Cash, William
Chidgey, David
Chope, Christopher
Clappison, James
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Collins, Tim
Cormack, Sir Patrick
Davis, rh David
(Haltemprice & Howden)
Djanogly, Jonathan
Dodds, Nigel
Donaldson, Jeffrey M.
Dorrell, rh Stephen
Doughty, Sue
Evans, Nigel
Ewing, Annabelle
Fabricant, Michael
Fallon, Michael
Field, Mark
(Cities of London & Westminster)
Flook, Adrian
Forth, rh Eric
Francois, Mark
George, Andrew
(St. Ives)
Gibb, Nick
(Bognor Regis)
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl
Goodman, Paul
Gray, James
(N Wilts)
Grayling, Chris
Green, Matthew
(Ludlow)
Greenway, John
Grieve, Dominic
Hague, rh William
Hammond, Philip
Hancock, Mike
Hawkins, Nick
Hayes, John
(S Holland)
Heald, Oliver
Heath, David
Heathcoat-Amory, rh David
Hendry, Charles
Hermon, Lady
Hoban, Mark
(Fareham)
Hogg, rh Douglas
Holmes, Paul
Howard, rh Michael
Howarth, Gerald
(Aldershot)
Hunter, Andrew
Jenkin, Bernard
Knight, rh Greg
(E Yorkshire)
Lamb, Norman
Laws, David
(Yeovil)
Leigh, Edward
Lewis, Dr. Julian
(New Forest E)
Lilley, rh Peter
Llwyd, Elfyn
Loughton, Tim
Luff, Peter
(M-Worcs)
Maclean, rh David
McLoughlin, Patrick
Malins, Humfrey
Maples, John
Mawhinney, rh Sir Brian
Mercer, Patrick
Moore, Michael
Moss, Malcolm
Murrison, Dr. Andrew
Norman, Archie
O'Brien, Stephen
(Eddisbury)
Öpik, Lembit
Osborne, George
(Tatton)
Paisley, Rev. Ian
Paterson, Owen
Pickles, Eric
Pugh, Dr. John
Randall, John
Reid, Alan
(Argyll & Bute)
Robertson, Hugh
(Faversham & M-Kent)
Robertson, Laurence
(Tewk'b'ry)
Robinson, Mrs Iris
(Strangford)
Robinson, Peter
(Belfast E)
Rosindell, Andrew
Ruffley, David
Russell, Bob
(Colchester)
Sanders, Adrian
Sayeed, Jonathan
Selous, Andrew
Shepherd, Richard
Simmonds, Mark
Simpson, Keith
(M-Norfolk)
Smith, Sir Robert
(W Ab'd'ns & Kincardine)
Smyth, Rev. Martin
(Belfast S)
Spicer, Sir Michael
Spink, Bob
(Castle Point)
Spring, Richard
Steen, Anthony
Streeter, Gary
Stunell, Andrew
Swayne, Desmond
Swire, Hugo
(E Devon)
Syms, Robert
Taylor, Ian
(Esher)
Taylor, John
(Solihull)
Taylor, Matthew
(Truro)
Thurso, John
Turner, Andrew
(Isle of Wight)
Tyler, Paul
(N Cornwall)
Tyrie, Andrew
Viggers, Peter
Watkinson, Angela
Webb, Steve
(Northavon)
Weir, Michael
Whittingdale, John
Wiggin, Bill
Wilkinson, John
Williams, Hywel
(Caernarfon)
Williams, Roger
(Brecon)
Wilshire, David
Winterton, Ann
(Congleton)
Winterton, Sir Nicholas
(Macclesfield)
Wishart, Pete
Younger-Ross, Richard
Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. Peter Atkinson and
Gregory Barker
Question accordingly agreed to.
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