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Page 564 2003-2004 Volume 260 [No. 142.] Monday 25th October 2004. The House met at Two o'clock. PRAYERS.
University Admissions Policy,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House believes that universities should be solely and wholly in charge of their own admissions policies, without regard to any externally imposed quotas, targets or benchmarks; affirms that access to higher education should be determined on the basis of academic merit, not social, economic or geographical background; welcomes and supports the efforts of universities to seek out, find and encourage talent in all parts of society, endeavours which long pre-date Government intervention and which are threatened, not encouraged, by it; recognises that attempts to force universities to use politically-determined criteria threaten academic excellence and independence alike; notes that the Government's policies on these issues have sparked deep-seated anger and resentment among universities, whose leaders have in consequence warned Ministers not to interfere with university admissions policy and even openly contemplated self-privatisation as a means of escape; regrets the appointment of a University Access Regulator who has declared himself to be of the view that the principal issue facing higher education is class; and urges the immediate abolition of the Office of Fair Access and the removal of state interference from issues which lie at the heart of university independence, freedom and standards—(Mr Tim Collins); An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 3, to leave out from the word ‘policies' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘a point which was repeatedly made clear during the passage of the Higher Education Act 2004 and is now enshrined in that legislation; notes that the Opposition opposed the passage of that Act; welcomes the annual publication of the higher education performance indicators which enable institutions to reflect on their own position; abhors the recent misinterpretation of those indicators as targets or quotas linked to funding; agrees that admissions to higher education should always be based on merit; further welcomes the recent report from Professor Schwartz on fair admissions to higher education; agrees that it is for institutions themselves to decide how to implement the Schwartz principles; supports the Government's policies to widen participation in higher education and open access for young people from disadvantaged backgrounds with the potential to benefit; congratulates the Government and the higher education sector on the steps they are taking to achieve this goal; notes that the most powerful driver of increased participation is to raise standards in schools; commends the new student support arrangements which will make higher education free at the point of use and fair at the point of repayment; further commends the establishment of the Office for Fair Access (OFFA) which will result in more financial support for students and more outreach work to boost applications from under-represented groups; and further notes that universities' admissions policies will be outside OFFA's remit', instead thereof.—(Dr Kim Howells.) And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Ruffley, Mr Crispin Blunt: 136. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Paul Clark: 332. So the Question was negatived. And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):—It was agreed to. And the Main Question, as amended, being put; Resolved, That this House believes that universities should be solely and wholly in charge of their own admissions policies, a point which was repeatedly made clear during the passage of the Higher Education Act 2004 and is now enshrined in that legislation; notes that the Opposition opposed the passage of that Act; welcomes the annual publication of the higher education performance indicators which enable institutions to reflect on their own position; abhors the recent misinterpretation of those indicators as targets or quotas linked to funding; agrees that admissions to higher education should always be based on merit; further welcomes the recent report from Professor Schwartz on fair admissions to higher education; agrees that it is for institutions themselves to decide how to implement the Schwartz principles; supports the Government's policies to widen participation in higher education and open access for young people from disadvantaged backgrounds with the potential to benefit; congratulates the Government and the higher education sector on the steps they are taking to achieve this goal; notes that the most powerful driver of increased participation Page 565 Monday 25th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top is to raise standards in schools; commends the new student support arrangements which will make higher education free at the point of use and fair at the point of repayment; further commends the establishment of the Office for Fair Access (OFFA) which will result in more financial support for students and more outreach work to boost applications from under-represented groups; and further notes that universities' admissions policies will be outside OFFA's remit. Wind Farms,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House recognises that climate change is a major challenge for the twenty-first century and that renewable energy can help to cut carbon dioxide emissions; regrets the fact that renewable energy supplies only 2.7 per cent. of Britain's energy needs; deplores the Government's policy of relying exclusively on onshore wind farms to meet its renewable energy targets; condemns changes to the planning system which may lead to the construction of wind farms in inappropriate places against the wishes of local communities; and urges the Government to develop a wider mix of renewable energy technologies including hydro, off-shore wind, wave, tidal, solar, and bio-fuels and biomass, combined heat and power, microgeneration, and energy efficiency— (Mr Tim Yeo); An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 1, to leave out from the word ‘House' to the end of the Question and add the words ‘recognises the passing of the Energy Act 2004 and the positive actions taken by the Government to increase the amount of energy supplied from renewable sources; welcomes the global leadership shown by the Government on climate change and commends actions taken to meet the UK's Kyoto targets; condemns the Official Opposition for opposing the development of renewables while claiming to support them in principle; notes the abject failure of the Official Opposition to provide coherent policy proposals to meet the climate change challenge and its continued opposition to the Climate Change Levy; praises the Government for providing significant resources and support to the development of wind energy, including £117 million for the development of offshore wind energy; further notes that a growing proportion of wind farm developments will occur offshore; supports steps taken by the Government to promote energy efficiency and notes with approval that the planning regime allows for wind farm proposals to be thoroughly considered in terms of their impacts on local communities and environments and their contributions to national energy needs and policies; commends the Government's commitment to diversifying the sources of the UK's energy supply and the related investment in a wide range of renewable technologies including energy crops, £60 million investment for biomass, £31 million towards photovoltaics and £50 million for wave and tidal; and further condemns the Official Opposition's energy policy that would drastically reduce the UK's investment in renewable technologies', instead thereof.—(Mr Mike O'Brien.) And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question; Mr Patrick McLoughlin rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:—It was agreed to. And the Question being accordingly put; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Ruffley, Mr Crispin Blunt: 183. Tellers for the Noes, Margaret Moran, Mr John Heppell: 298. So the Question was negatived. And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Heppell, Margaret Moran: 325. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Crispin Blunt, Mr David Ruffley: 140. So the Question was agreed to. The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to. Resolved, That this House recognises the passing of the Energy Act 2004 and the positive actions taken by the Government to increase the amount of energy supplied from renewable sources; welcomes the global leadership shown by the Government on climate change and commends actions taken to meet the UK's Kyoto targets; condemns the Official Opposition for opposing the development of renewables while claiming to support them in principle; notes the abject failure of the Official Opposition to provide coherent policy proposals to meet the climate change challenge and its continued opposition to the Climate Change Levy; praises the Government for providing significant resources and support to the development of wind energy, including £117 million for the development of offshore wind energy; further notes that a growing Page 566 Monday 25th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top proportion of wind farm developments will occur offshore; supports steps taken by the Government to promote energy efficiency and notes with approval that the planning regime allows for wind farm proposals to be thoroughly considered in terms of their impacts on local communities and environments and their contributions to national energy needs and policies; commends the Government's commitment to diversifying the sources of the UK's energy supply and the related investment in a wide range of renewable technologies including energy crops, £60 million investment for biomass, £31 million towards photovoltaics and £50 million for wave and tidal; and further condemns the Official Opposition's energy policy that would drastically reduce the UK's investment in renewable technologies.
And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then three minutes to Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 10.57 p.m. Page 567 Monday 25th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 22nd October 2004 pursuant to Standing Order No. 158 (Presentation of command papers):
Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 22nd October 2004 pursuant to Standing Order No. 159 (Presentation of statutory instruments): Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Papers presented or laid upon the Table on Monday 25th October 2004: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
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APPENDIX II Reports from Select Committees
(2) Forty-ninth Report from the Committee [The recovery of debt by the Inland Revenue]; to be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 584]; and (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Ministry of Defence: Battlefield Helicopters]; to be printed [No. 1191-i] [Mr Edward Leigh]. [No. 143.] Tuesday 26th October 2004. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered to-morrow; and to be printed [Bill 168]. Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 1208].
That, with effect from the beginning of the next Session of Parliament, the Orders of the House of 28th June 2001 relating to Programming of Bills be Standing Orders of the House, with the following Amendments: (1) In Order A (Programme Motions), in paragraph (6), leave out ‘or where paragraph (8) of Sessional Order B (Programming Committees) applies,'. (2) In Order A, in paragraph (10), leave out ‘In an excepted case' and insert ‘If any of the exceptions applies'. (3) In Order B (Programming Committees), leave out paragraphs (8) to (10). (4) In Order C (Programming Sub-Committees), in paragraph (1), after ‘and', insert ‘subject to paragraph (9A) of this order'. Page 569 Tuesday 26th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top (5) In Order C, after paragraph (9), insert— ‘(9A) a Minister of the Crown may make any motion in a standing committee which could have been the subject of a resolution of the Programming Sub-Committee; and for the purposes of this order the motion shall be treated as if it were in the terms of a resolution of the Programming Sub-Committee: provided that proceedings on such a motion shall lapse if any member of the committee signifies objection to it.' (6) In Order D (Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings in Standing Committee or in Committee of the whole House), in paragraph (2), after ‘others)' insert ‘in the same order as they would fall to be put if this order did not apply'; and in sub-paragraph (c), leave out ‘division' and insert ‘decision'. (7) In Order D, in paragraph (5), at end insert ‘, except that the question shall be put separately on any clause of or schedule to the bill which a Minister of the Crown has signified an intention to leave out'. (8) In Order E (Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings on consideration or third reading), in paragraph (2), after ‘others)' insert ‘in the same order as they would fall to be put if this order did not apply'; and in sub-paragraph (c), leave out ‘division' and insert ‘decision'—(Mr Peter Hain); An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Question, in line 4, after ‘1169)', to insert the words ‘approves the recommendation in paragraph 52 of the Report relating to a statement of clauses and schedules not debated in standing committee'.—(Sir Nicholas Winterton.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Sir Nicholas Winterton, Sir Robert Smith: 191. Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr Vernon Coaker: 265. So the Question was negatived. Another Amendment ((b)) was proposed to the Question, in line 8, at the end, to insert the words— ‘( ) In Order A (Programme Motions), leave out paragraph (1) and insert— ”(1) A motion, of which notice has been given, providing for any proceedings on a bill to be programmed may be made at or after the second sitting of the House after the bill has been read a second time and the question shall be put— (a) forthwith, if the motion stands in the name of members of three or more parties including a Minister of the Crown and a member of the party to which the Leader of the Opposition belongs; or (b) not later than one hour after the commencement of proceedings on the motion, in any other case. (1A) Before putting the question under sub-paragraphs (a) or (b) above, the Speaker shall put the question on any amendment to the motion which has been selected by him which may then be moved. (1B) Such a motion may also provide for committal of the bill (including the discharge of any order previously made in respect of the committal of the bill).”.'.—(Sir Nicholas Winterton.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Sir Nicholas Winterton, Sir Robert Smith: 174. Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr Vernon Coaker: 271. So the Question was negatived. It being after Six o'clock, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [yesterday], proceeded to put the Questions on the remaining Amendment, the Main Question, and on the Motions relating to Procedures for Debates, etc., Carry-over of Bills, Deferred Divisions, Short Speeches and Removal of References to Strangers. Another Amendment ((d)) was proposed to the Question, in line 22, at the end, to insert the words— ‘(5A) In Order D (Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings in standing committee or in committee of the whole House), after paragraph (1), insert— “(1A) The chairman of a standing committee shall defer the putting of any question in accordance with a programme order by a period equal to that for which that sitting of the committee has been suspended owing to divisions in the House or in a committee of the whole House; and the chairman may also defer the putting of any such question by a period not exceeding a quarter of an hour if he considers it to be for the general convenience of the committee. Page 570 Tuesday 26th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top Provided that if the time at which a question falls to be put is thereby deferred beyond the hour specified in the proviso to paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 88 (Meetings of standing committees), the question shall be put instead at the corresponding time after the commencement of the next sitting of the committee.”.'.—(Sir Nicholas Winterton.) And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Sir Nicholas Winterton, Sir Robert Smith: 182. Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr Vernon Coaker: 257. So the Question was negatived. And the Main Question being put; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Margaret Moran, Derek Twigg: 261. Tellers for the Noes, Angela Watkinson, Sir Robert Smith: 173. Resolved, That the House takes note of the Fourth Report of the Procedure Committee, on Programming of Legislation, HC 325, and the Government's Response thereto (published as the Committee's Fifth Special Report of the current Session, HC 1169). Ordered, That, with effect from the beginning of the next Session of Parliament, the Orders of the House of 28th June 2001 relating to Programming of Bills be Standing Orders of the House, with the following Amendments: (1) In Order A (Programme Motions), in paragraph (6), leave out ‘or where paragraph (8) of Sessional Order B (Programming Committees) applies,'. (2) In Order A, in paragraph (10), leave out ‘In an excepted case' and insert ‘If any of the exceptions applies'. (3) In Order B (Programming Committees), leave out paragraphs (8) to (10). (4) In Order C (Programming Sub-Committees), in paragraph (1), after ‘and', insert ‘subject to paragraph (9A) of this order'. (5) In Order C, after paragraph (9), insert— ‘(9A) a Minister of the Crown may make any motion in a standing committee which could have been the subject of a resolution of the Programming Sub-Committee; and for the purposes of this order the motion shall be treated as if it were in the terms of a resolution of the Programming Sub-Committee: provided that proceedings on such a motion shall lapse if any member of the committee signifies objection to it.' (6) In Order D (Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings in Standing Committee or in Committee of the whole House), in paragraph (2), after ‘others)' insert ‘in the same order as they would fall to be put if this order did not apply'; and in sub-paragraph (c), leave out ‘division' and insert ‘decision'. (7) In Order D, in paragraph (5), at end insert ‘, except that the question shall be put separately on any clause of or schedule to the bill which a Minister of the Crown has signified an intention to leave out'. (8) In Order E (Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings on consideration or third reading), in paragraph (2), after ‘others)' insert ‘in the same order as they would fall to be put if this order did not apply'; and in sub-paragraph (c), leave out ‘division' and insert ‘decision'.
Ordered, That, with effect from the beginning of the next Session of Parliament until the end of the next but one Session of Parliament, the following Order be a Standing Order of the House: The Speaker may call Members between certain hours to speak for a specified maximum time (not being less than three minutes) and during this time the reference to eight minutes in paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 47 (Short speeches) and the provisions of paragraph (2) of that order shall not apply.—(Mr Phil Woolas.) Page 571 Tuesday 26th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top
The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Margaret Moran, Derek Twigg: 300. Tellers for the Noes, Angela Watkinson, Sir George Young: 130. So the Question was agreed to.
(1) After paragraph (4), insert— ‘(4A) a carry-over motion may be made only in respect of a bill presented by a Minister of the Crown. (4B) the provisions of this order shall not apply to a carry-over motion made in respect of a bill brought from the Lords.' (2) In paragraph (8)(a), after ‘committed', insert ‘to a standing committee', and leave out from first ‘Session' to end of the sub-paragraph. (3) After paragraph (9) insert— ‘(9A) A programme order relating to a bill which is carried over to the next session of Parliament shall continue to apply in the next session.'—(Mr Phil Woolas); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Margaret Moran, Derek Twigg: 296. Tellers for the Noes, Angela Watkinson, Mr Paul Goodman: 137. So the Question was agreed to.
No. 89 (Procedure in standing committees): in paragraph (2), leave out ‘Strangers' and insert ‘The public'; No. 125 (Strangers (select committees)): leave out the title and insert ‘Select committees (admission of the public)'; and in paragraph (1), leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘the public'; No. 149 (Committee on Standards and Privileges): in paragraph (8), leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘the public'; No. 161 (Duties of Serjeant at Arms with respect to strangers): in the title, leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘the public'; in paragraph (1), leave out ‘stranger' in the two places where it appears and insert ‘member of the public' in each place, and leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘the public'; and in paragraph (2), leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘members of the public'. No. 162 (Places to which strangers are not admitted): in the title, leave out ‘strangers' and insert ‘the public'; and, in the Standing Order, leave out ‘stranger' and insert ‘member of the public'—(Mr Phil Woolas); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Paul Clark, Mr Jim Murphy: 242. Tellers for the Noes, Angela Watkinson, Mr Paul Goodman: 167. So the Question was agreed to.
And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then eighteen minutes to Eight o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 7.42 p.m. Page 572 Tuesday 26th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
APPENDIX II Reports from Select Committees
(2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Implementation of the Freedom of Information Act]; to be printed [No. 1060-II] [Mr A. J. Beith].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Police Reform]; to be printed [No. 1038-iv] [Mr John Denham].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Homelessness]; to be printed [No. 1116-i] [Andrew Bennett].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The DTI: Structure, Aims and Resources; Progress towards the knowledge driven economy]; to be printed [Nos. 1205-I and 262-vii]; and (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [ECGD and the BTC pipeline project] [Mr Martin O'Neill].
Page 573 Tuesday 26th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top [No. 143; WH, No. 92] Tuesday 26th October 2004. The House sitting in Westminster Hall The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And the sitting having continued for two and a half hours after Two o'clock, it was adjourned without Question put, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 4.30 p.m. [No. 144.] Wednesday 27th October 2004. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
The Chairman of Ways and Means, by Her Majesty's Command, acquainted the House, That Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Bill, gives her consent, as far as Her Majesty's prerogative is concerned, that the House may do therein as it shall see fit. And the Question being put:—It was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read the third time, and passed, without Amendment.
That the Committee takes note of European Union Document No. 8241/04, Commission Report and draft Council Directive relating to Directive 92/12/EEC on the general arrangements for products subject to excise duty and on the holding, movement and monitoring of such products; and welcomes the principle of reducing administrative burdens for businesses but supports the United Kingdom Government's position that the ‘distance-purchasing' elements of the current proposal are unacceptable, as they weaken the United Kingdom's law enforcement and revenue-raising ability. Report, together with Resolution, to lie upon the Table.
And the Motion being opposed, after permitting a short explanatory statement from the Member who made the Motion and from a Member who opposed it, the Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 23 (Motions for leave to bring in bills and nomination of select committees at commencement of public business). The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Bob Spink, Mrs Angela Browning: 83. Tellers for the Noes, Chris Bryant, John Cryer: 112. So the Question was negatived.
Consideration and Third Reading 1. Paragraphs 4 and 5 of the Order shall be omitted. 2. Proceedings on consideration shall be taken in the order shown in the first column of the following Table. Page 574 Wednesday 27th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top 3. The proceedings shown in the first column of the Table shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second column of the Table.
4. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced—(Paul Goggins); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Joan Ryan, Margaret Moran: 280. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Peter Atkinson, Gregory Barker: 144. So the Question was agreed to.
A Clause (NC10) (Victims of persons subject to hospital order with restriction order: representations)—(Paul Goggins)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC11) (Victims of persons subject to hospital order with restriction order: information)—(Mr John Heppell)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC12) (Victims of persons subject to hospital direction and limitation direction: representations)—(Mr John Heppell)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC13) (Victims of persons subject to hospital direction and limitation direction: information)—(Mr John Heppell)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC14) (Victims of persons subject to transfer direction and restriction direction: representations)—(Mr John Heppell)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC15) (Victims of persons subject to transfer direction and restriction direction: information)—(Mr John Heppell)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC1) (Parental contact with children after separation in cases involving ill-treatment of the child or another person (No. 1))—(Mr Hilton Dawson)—brought up and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time:—Clause, by leave, withdrawn. Another Clause (NC3) (Amendments to the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 to extend the category of witnesses eligible for assistance on grounds of fear or distress about testifying)—(Mr David Heath)—brought up and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time:—Clause, by leave, withdrawn. It being two and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion relating to Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 2), the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question on an Amendment selected for separate Division. Page 575 Wednesday 27th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top Amendment (No. 10) proposed to the Bill, in page 3, line 17, at the end, to insert the words— ‘( ) For the purposes of subsection (1)(d)(ii), in determining the reasonableness of the steps which D could have been expected to take, the court shall have particular regard to the extent to which D has been subjected to domestic violence or is in fear of being subjected to domestic violence.'.—(Mr David Heath.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Peter Atkinson, Richard Younger-Ross: 176. Tellers for the Noes, Paul Clark, Derek Twigg: 297. The Deputy Speaker then put the Question on the Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown to be disposed of at that hour. Amendments (Nos. 26 to 29) made to the Bill. Another Amendment (No. 65) proposed to the Bill, in page 10, line 22, to leave out Clause No. 16.—(Mrs Cheryl Gillan.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Another Amendment (No. 11) proposed to the Bill, in page 10, line 29, to leave out from the word ‘driving' to the end of line 31.—(Mr David Heath.) Question put, That the Amendment be made. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Hugo Swire, Sir Robert Smith: 175. Tellers for the Noes, Derek Twigg, Paul Clark: 290. Another Amendment (No. 8) proposed to the Bill, in page 11, line 32, to leave out subsection (9).—(Mr David Heath.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made. And being four and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion relating to Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 2), the Deputy Speaker put the Question. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Hugo Swire, Bob Russell: 180. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Murphy, Bridget Prentice: 296. The Deputy Speaker then put the Question on an Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown to be disposed of at that hour. Another Amendment (No. 33) made to the Bill. Another Amendment (No. 67) proposed to the Bill, in page 13, line 24, to leave out Clause No. 22.—(Mr Dominic Grieve.) Question proposed, That the Amendment be made. And it being five and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion relating to Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 2), the Deputy Speaker put the Question. The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Peter Atkinson: 172. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Murphy, Bridget Prentice: 294. The Deputy Speaker then put the Question on the remaining Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown. Motion made, and Question put, That Amendments Nos. 30 to 32, 34 to 52, 21 and 53 to 58 be made to the Bill.—(Mr John Heppell.) The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Jim Murphy, Bridget Prentice: 282. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Peter Atkinson, Gregory Barker: 175. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read the third time; And it being after Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day]:—It was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read the third time and passed, with Amendments. Page 576 Wednesday 27th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top
The Deputy Speaker put the Question forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 163 (Motions to sit in private). The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 24. Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Murphy, Bridget Prentice: 316. So the Question was negatived.
And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then six minutes to Eight o'clock, till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 7.54 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(2) Resource Accounts of the Postal Services Commission for 2003–04, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1181] [Mr Stephen Timms].
(1) Bridgwater Education Action Zone; (2) Derbyshire North East Coalfields Education Action Zone; (3) Dingle Granby Toxteth Education Action Zone; (4) Downham & Bellingham Education Action Zone; (5) Hamilton Oxford Education Action Zone; (6) Leigh Park Education Action Zone; (7) South East England Virtual Education Action Zone; and (8) Telford & Wrekin Education Action Zone for 2003–04, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 1083, 1192, 1193, 1194, 1195, 1196, 1197 and 1198] [Clerk of the House].
Page 577 Wednesday 27th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top APPENDIX II Standing Committees
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Graham Allen, Tony Baldry, Mr Ben Bradshaw, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Mr James Clappison, Mr Tony Clarke, Mr Tony Colman, Jeff Ennis, Andrew George, Mr Fabian Hamilton, Ian Lucas, Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Owen Paterson, Joan Walley and Mr David Wilshire.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Peter Atkinson, John Austin, Mrs Helen Clark, Mr Nigel Evans, Patrick Hall, Mr Nick Hawkins, Mr Kelvin Hopkins, Mr Jon Owen Jones, Chris Ruane, Geraldine Smith, Mr Don Touhig, Mr Bill Wiggin, Mrs Betty Williams, Hywel Williams and Mr Roger Williams.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Orders to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Harold Best, Mr Tom Harris, Mr Stephen Hepburn, Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger, Mr Iain Luke, Mr John Lyons, Mr John MacDougall, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Jim Murphy, Mr Richard Page, Linda Perham, Mr Alan Reid, Andrew Selous, Keith Vaz, Mr John Wilkinson and Pete Wishart.
(1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Gregory Barker, Mr John Battle, Mr Henry Bellingham, Mr Roger Berry, Malcolm Bruce, Mr David Chaytor, Brian Cotter, Mrs Janet Dean, Mr Kevan Jones, Ms Sally Keeble, Mr Edward Leigh, Mr Andrew Love, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe, Mark Tami, Mr Tom Watson and Ann Winterton. European Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 1127-v] [Mr George Howarth].
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(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Water Pricing Sub-Committee of the Committee [Water Pricing]; to be printed [No. 1186-ii] [Mr Michael Jack].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Housing: Building a Sustainable Future?]; to be printed [No. 709-vi] [Mr Peter Ainsworth].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Human reproductive technologies and the law]; to be printed [No. 599-viii]; [Dr Desmond Turner].
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee, together with Appendices [Galileo]; to be printed [No. 1210-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
[No. 144; WH, No. 93] Wednesday 27th October 2004. The House sitting in Westminster Hall The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 4.39 p.m. Page 579 Wednesday 27th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top [No. 145.] Thursday 28th October 2004. The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock. PRAYERS.
Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
Horserace Betting and Olympic Lottery Act 2004 Christmas Day (Trading) Act 2004 Companies (Audit, Investigations and Community Enterprise) Act 2004 Medway Council Act 2004 University of Wales, Cardiff Act 2004.
And a Motion being made, and the Question being put, That the Bill be now read a second time; The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr John Heppell: 248. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr Hugo Swire: 130. So the Question was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read a second time.
Committal 1. The Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee. Proceedings in Standing Committee 2. Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on 11th November 2004. 3. The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets. Consideration and Third Reading 4. Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced. 5. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on that day. Programming Committee 6. Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading. Other proceedings 7. Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments or on any further messages from the Lords) may be programmed—(Mr Vernon Coaker); The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr John Heppell: 270. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr Hugo Swire: 110. So the Question was agreed to. Page 580 Thursday 28th October 2004 2003-2004 Volume 260 Back to top
A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the School Transport Bill, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment—(Mr Vernon Coaker):—It was agreed to.
The House divided. Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Nick Ainger, Mr John Heppell: 245. Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr Hugo Swire: 130. So the Question was agreed to.
(1) citizens of the town and district of Llanidloes, Powys, against the erection of a TETRA mast on the Maes y Llan industrial estate; and (2) residents of the Parliamentary Constituency of Leigh, Lancashire, against the closure of local post offices were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
And accordingly, the House, having continued to sit till a quarter to Seven o'clock, adjourned till Monday 1st November. [Adjourned at 6.45 p.m. APPENDIX I Papers presented or laid upon the Table: Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
Other Papers:
(2) Resource Accounts of the— (i) Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs; and (ii) Forestry Commission England/Great Britain for 2003–04, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 1190, 1173 and 1093] [Mr Stephen Timms].
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(1) Community Fund; and (2) New Opportunities Fund for 2003–04, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 1092 and 1091] [Clerk of the House]. APPENDIX II Standing Committees
European Standing Committees
APPENDIX III Reports from Select Committees
(2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on 26th October [Waste Management Strategy in Northern Ireland]; to be printed [Nos. 637-vi and -vii] [Mr Tony Clarke]. [No. 145; WH, No. 94] Thursday 28th October 2004. The House sitting in Westminster Hall The sitting commenced at half-past Two o'clock.
And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till Tuesday 2nd November. [Adjourned at 5.12 p.m.
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