Select Committee on Culture, Media and Sport Written Evidence


8.  Supplementary memorandum submitted by the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (incorporating a statement submitted jointly with the Home Office)

  I undertook to write to you following the oral evidence I gave on 11 November. Since then, you have also written asking a number of specific questions, to which I have pleasure in providing my response.

LEGISLATION

  1.  You questioned me on the Department's position with regard to legislation following the recommendations of the Committee's July 2000 Report. Although the absence of any legislative time prevented us from taking early legislative action on these, we were able to give effect to your recommendation concerning unlawfully removed cultural objects through supporting Richard Allan's Private Member's Bill which as you know has now completed its progress onto the statute book. Taken together with our accession to the 1970 UNESCO Convention, these measures have put the UK at the forefront of major market countries working hard to curb the international illicit trade in cultural objects.

  2.  On the matter of human remains, we considered it prudent to await the outcome of the Working Group, which my predecessor established under the able chairmanship of Professor Norman Palmer and which reported to us in September this year. I am moreover very pleased that my colleagues at the Department of Health have been so cooperative in our work to include measures in the Human Tissue Bill, which was announced by the Queen last week.

  3.  It is also worth noting that, via the Working Group's Report, and the subsequent announcement of our intention to legislate at the earliest possible opportunity, to enable museums to return human remains in their custody, we have fulfilled (and, indeed, exceeded) all the Committee's July 2000 recommendations concerning human remains.

  4.  On the matter of items spoliated during the 1939-45 Nazi era, early attempts to take forward the recommendation for a change in the legislation, using the Regulatory Reform Act, were unsuccessful because the Act proved to be an unsuitable vehicle. Moreover, it subsequently transpired that, rather than the "thousands of claims" that it was suggested we would receive, there have in fact been only five claims made to the Panel.

  5.  The Panel has the express power under paragraph 9 of its terms of reference to make recommendations to me as regards the need for legislation to alter the powers and duties of any institution. If such representations are made to me, then I will consider very carefully how to take forward such legislation.

CLARIFICATION OF ORAL EVIDENCE [BY FOOTNOTES]

  6.  I would like here to add three footnotes to the oral evidence that I gave on 11 November.

  7.  First, at the end of my response to Q317, I noted that the Spoliation Advisory Panel "has the power to direct me as the Secretary of State to submit the case for legislation but it has not done so" (emphasis added). I should be grateful if you would include a footnote along the following lines for clarification:

  "Paragraph 9 of the Spoliation Advisory Panel's Terms of Reference provides that when advising the Secretary of State the Panel shall be free to recommend any action which they consider appropriate, and in particular may . . . direct the attention of the Secretary of State to the need for legislation to alter the powers and duties of any institution."

  8. Second, I also noted in this response that "The advice to my department from those who sit on the panel is that legislation which might have been necessary is not now thought to be necessary." However, Dr Gaimster's reply in Q318, and my own replies in Q321 Q322 and 324, further clarify this point: for example at Q322 I said, "I have received no further advice from Sir David Hirst or from my officials that legislation is necessary in order to facilitate the work of the Spoliation Advisory Panel". Therefore, whilst the Panel has power to recommend legislation, it has not yet done so.

  9.  Third, in Q320, Dr Gaimster is reported as saying that "What [the Panel] has been recommending in several of these cases is resolution through compensation" (emphasis added). In fact, compensation has to date been recommended in just one case. I should therefore be grateful if you could also add a footnote to set the record straight here.

NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM

  10.  I undertook at the hearing to ask the Natural History Museum whether they would consider opening an annex in Sydney. I have to advise you that this is however, not permitted under the legislation governing the Museum. The Act which governs both the Natural History Museum and the British Museum (The British Museum Act 1963) allows me to designate new repositories for the collections of the British Museum or National History Museum. However, the legislation does not contain a power to designate repositories abroad i.e. outside Great Britain. This is not something which Parliament envisaged at the time that the Act was passed. By contrast, the possibility of loaning an object to a country outside the United Kingdom was addressed and is provided for in section 4 of the Act.

UNDERTAKINGS BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE

  Question (i): A considered view in writing on the possible courses of action open to the trustees of national museums in response to validated claims for the restitution of spoliated items from within their collections. It would be helpful for this memorandum to include an assessment of the circumstances in which the Department would pursue legislative change to permit the return of such items from national museums and galleries.

  11.  As I have explained above, I would await any recommendation from the Spoliation Advisory Panel before putting forward legislative proposals.

  12.  In relation to possible courses of action, any specific course open to the trustees in such cases will be for them to consider, in the light of their legal powers and the particular circumstances of any case. We have, though, tried to indicate below the general framework of actions that might be open to trustees in response to validated claims for restitution. (This includes the reply I undertook to give concerning the powers of Trustees to make loans.)

 (1)   Loans

  13.  Whether or not the trustees of the national museums will be able to loan an item will depend on their interpretation of their statutory powers in particular circumstances and the manner in which they decide to exercise those powers. However, the broad general principle that runs through the legislation governing the different national museums is that trustees may lend items, although the precise nature of their powers varies from statute to statute.

  14.  An indication of the differences in the legal powers of the trustees of the national museums so far as the loaning of objects is concerned can be gained from looking at the statutes governing the following groups of institutions by way of example: (1) the British Museum and the Natural History Museum, (2) the Victoria and Albert Museum, the Science Museum, and the Armouries (3) the Museum of London and (4) the National Gallery, Tate Gallery and the National Portrait Gallery. (For ease of reference, the relevant sections of the governing statutes are included at Annex A). The variety of provisions is illustrated by the fact that in the case of the British Museum and the Natural History Museum the ability to loan is limited to public exhibition, whereas the legislation governing the National Gallery, Tate Gallery and the National Portrait Gallery gives a power to loan whether or not the loan is for the purpose of public exhibition.

 (2)   General Powers

  15.  The trustees of national museums could also be expected to consider the extent of their statutory powers when they are faced with a claim for the return of an object. Each case would need to be considered on its own facts by reference to the relevant institution's governing legislation to establish whether there is any possibility of returning an object. It is conceivable that, in some limited circumstances, there could be sufficient flexibility in the statutory framework to enable an institution to transfer an item from its collection. As is the case with the legal powers in respect of the loaning of objects, the legal powers of the national museums relating to other matters vary from institution to institution.

  16.  For reference the relevant statutory provisions for the following groups of national museums are attached at Annex B: (1) the British Museum and the Natural History Museum, (2) the Victoria and Albert Museum and the Science Museum and (3) the National Gallery Board, the Tate Gallery Board and the National Gallery Board. Different statutes use different terminology in the relevant provisions. For example, the concept used in connection with disposal in the British Museum Act 1963 is one of unfitness (see section 5(1)(c)) whilst the equivalent provisions in the other legislation cited is that of unsuitability save in the case of the National Portrait Gallery. Here the legislation provides for circumstances where the identification of an individual in a portrait is discredited.

 (3)   Compensation

  17.  The trustees in any given case could also consider the possibilities of compensation, depending on the circumstances, although they may need prior Government approval.

 (4)   Section 27 of the Charities Act 1993 etc

  18.  Another course might be to apply to the Charity Commissioners (under section 27 of the Charities Act 1993), or to the Attorney General or the Courts, to seek authorisation to return the property where the trustees regard themselves as being under a moral obligation to do so. These are uncharted legal waters in relation to national museums governed by statute. Sir Anthony Mason's lecture of 1 October 2002 (attached at Annex C) indicates the legal complexities surrounding this area and mentions the memorandum submitted to you by the Charity Commission in April 2000, which describes the different courses of action open to trustees.

  Question (ii): An analysis of "the period of time since your recommendation was made and the two relevant departments, my Department and the Home Office, embarked on their work". The Committee takes this to mean an analysis of the process of consideration from July 2000 to now. The Committee would be most assisted in coming to its conclusions if this analysis included particular attention to the following areas:

    —  A full explanation of the principles agreed by the first working party in March 2001 and the extent to which these principles continued, and continue, to inform proposals for implementation;

    —  Discussion, decision and rationale for disbanding the initial working group; whether guidance was sought from the Office of Government Commerce or reference made to Government Accounting;

    —  The nature of DCMS participation in, or consultation over, the subsequent study undertaken by the Police Information Technology Organisation (PITO);

    —  Consideration by the Department, singly and/or jointly with the Home Office, of the PITO report's conclusions; and the use made of its analysis, conclusions and/or cost estimates in subsequent discussions;

    —  The extent to which precedents, and/or analogies, of public/private cooperation provided by The National Plant & Equipment Register (a database of stolen construction equipment and related information) and HPI and Experian (databases of stolen cars and related information) informed the process of consideration.

    —  The rationale for the DCMS and Home Office working on two different and competing options for a national database at this stage of the process.

    —  The DCMS' view of the need for independent review of the options and the involvement of the Department in the appointment of consultants to carry out this review.

  It would also be helpful for the Committee to receive (i) a summary of the CoPAT proposal put forward to ITAP on 5 November, and (ii) the outline business case presented to the working group in May 2003 (referred to by the Home Office Minister at Q281).

  19.  I have pleasure in enclosing a copy of a joint memorandum on the behalf of Caroline Flint and myself, together with the requested documentation (see below).

  Question (iii): The Secretary of State said that: "when the [Dealing in Cultural Objects (Offences)] legislation was being drafted, Customs and Excise actually resisted inclusion of those powers [to act in respect of imports of tainted cultural property] because they were concerned about the resource consequences for them." With regard to the new Act, witnesses from Customs drew a distinction between complete prohibition, a licensing regime and the adopted course, about which Customs said, "At least we can now act in terms of enforcement." Please clarify what powers were sought for inclusion in the new Act by DCMS and resisted by Customs as indicated by the Secretary of State. Please clarify whether the DCMS views the Dealing in Cultural Objects (Offences) Act as meeting the obligations placed upon the UK in respect of imports by Article 7 of the relevant UNESCO Convention.

  20.  It would be helpful first to explain how the relevant provisions of the Act work. Section 4(1) to (3) enable Customs to bring proceedings for the offence created by the Act where it involves the importation or exportation of a tainted cultural object. We do not expect Customs generally to exercise these powers. Where they have evidence that such an offence has been committed, we would normally expect Customs to forward that evidence to the police for them to consider prosecution. The importance of investing Customs with this power is that it acts as the trigger for them to be able to exercise search and seizure powers in relation to tainted cultural objects within the context of investigating whether an offence has been committed under the Act. These powers of investigation are conferred by subsection (4) of Section 4. In effect what that subsection does is to attract Customs' investigation powers (including their powers of search etc.) under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) 1984.

  21.  There is an assumption underlying one of the questions asked by Mr Doran (Q304) that Customs only have power to act in relation to tainted cultural objects when it is connected with something else, for example drugs, firearms or some other illicit material. As explained above, this is not in fact the case. Customs have now clarified that, by virtue of Section 4 making a suspected import or export of tainted goods an assigned matter, they are able to search for such goods whether in passenger or freight traffic and can use their search and seizure powers under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. Customs are waiting to see what sort of cases arise and until the picture is clearer they believe that their ability to maintain seizure will, depending on the facts of the particular case, also have to rely on other Customs provisions; for example, evasion of revenue or some other prohibition.

  22.  The Committee has been concerned to understand why no general prohibition on the importation of tainted cultural objects has been imposed. The best place to start in considering this is probably the Select Committee's Report on Cultural Property: Return and Illicit Trade of July 2000. In paragraph 105 of that Report the Committee stated—

    "HM Customs also indicated that, `in the absence of specific intelligence or reasons to target a particular consignment, we would have no means by which to routinely enforce an import licensing system on movements from within the [European] Community'. HM Customs considered that a prohibition on importation of certain categories of cultural property without a licensing system `would not be terribly effective' because there would be little evidence ascertainable by the Customs to lead it to detain a consignment."

  23.  This evidence seems to have led the Committee to conclude (in paragraph 107) "that the single most important measure to be taken is a change to the criminal law of the United Kingdom relating to the illicit trade . . . At the same time, we are mindful of the need to ensure that any new offence is practical and enforceable. For this reason, and in the light of the evidence of HM Customs and Excise, we have rejected the proposal that it should be an offence to import into the United Kingdom cultural objects illegally exported from another country."

  24.  Both DCMS and Customs continue to take the view that it would be inappropriate to impose a substantive prohibition on the importation of tainted cultural objects. This is not something that DCMS have ever pressed for inclusion in connection with the new offence. DCMS have accepted Customs' belief there are a number of practical reasons against it. It would not be obvious to frontier officers at the time of import or export that the objects were tainted. In the absence of the clearest evidence Customs' action would be highly contentious and would be likely to generate a lot of appeals. In short, it would not be an effective method of control. There would also have been an issue of how to treat intra-EU traffic.

  25.  Although DCMS and Customs do not believe it is feasible to impose a substantive prohibition on the importation of tainted cultural objects, we consider that powers should be conferred on Customs officers to investigate (including being able to use powers of search and seizure) where they suspect that a person has or is committing the offence under the Act by importing or exporting a tainted cultural object. The mechanism that has been used to achieve this is to attract the investigation (including search and seizure) powers conferred on Customs officers under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. The same approach has been adopted in the case of the Biological Weapons Act 1974, the Chemical Weapons Act 1996 and for nuclear weapons under the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001.

  26.  Although, because of resource implications, Customs' initial thinking was that they did not wish to have an explicit prosecution role under Section 4 of the Dealing in Cultural Objects (Offences) Act 2003, it was agreed that these powers were necessary to trigger their powers of search and seizure under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and that their use of prosecution powers would be entirely discretionary.

Article 7 of the 1970 UNESCO

  27.  It was considered that no additional legislation was required to implement the obligations imposed on the UK by the 1970 UNESCO Convention, including those in Article 7. Having said that, the new Act will strengthen the protections that exist in the UK against those who act dishonestly in importing objects that have been illegally removed from monuments and from parts of buildings, and therefore will contribute to meeting the objectives enshrined in article 7(b) of UNESCO.

  Question (iv): On 8 July, the Secretary of State told the Committee that the Home Office had indicated that it was prepared to consider the case for . . . a contribution to the cost of establishing and running a Metropolitan Police database providing . . . [inter alia] . . . the link between investment in such a database and dealing with money laundering, drug trafficking and other criminal activities increasingly associated with crime in the art market is proven." Whose task is it to gather and disseminate such intelligence? Is it part of joint Home Office/DCMS work on options for a database to research and assess these links?

  28.  Please see the joint memorandum referred to above, under (ii).

  Question (v): In the Department's memorandum, submitted in advance of the session on 8 July, reference is made to the other database recommended by ITAP (for relevant international legislation applying to cultural objects). The memorandum said that this initiative was being taken forward by UNESCO with DCMS assistance. What progress has been made with this database?

  29.  The DCMS Ministerial Advisory Panel in its Report of December 2000 recommended the institution of a comprehensive and universally accessible electronic database of international legislation on cultural property. The database should be run as a service available to all who transact in cultural objects. It should seek to record information about past as well as present laws and about judicial decisions construing those laws. It should, like other modern law databases, be constantly updated. Proof of reference to the database will be relevant to a possessor's legal position.

  30.  It was agreed by ITAP (The illicit Trade Advisory Panel) that UNESCO is the best organisation to take the lead on this initiative, and DCMS has been discussion for some time with UNESCO on the launch of the first phase of such a database. Such a resource would have the widest possible dissemination through availability in its original language and automatic translation into the two official languages of UNESCO.

  31.  At its 32nd General Conference in October 2003 UNESCO voted a budget for launching at the earliest possible date an electronic cultural property legislation database "bringing together all national legislation applicable in Member States of UNESCO concerning the import, export and transfer of ownership of cultural property and also including models of the export and import certificates for cultural property in use in Member States". DCMS was instrumental in ensuring that the UK was among the States Parties registering support for the necessary amendment to the budget vote on major programmes and projects relating to cross-cutting cultural property themes for 2004-05.

  32.  UNESCO will shortly be issuing an invitation to States Parties to submit all national legislation concerning the import, export and transfer of ownership of cultural property and also including models of the export and import certificates for cultural property in use in the Member States.

HUMAN REMAINS

  Question (vi): The report of the Working Group on Human Remains concludes that the principle of consent should underpin the approach to the retention and treatment of human remains by museums just as it underpins the proposed provisions of the Human Tissue Bill. Does the Department agree with this?

    —  If this principle, and other provisions of the proposed legislation, are not to apply to human remains held by museums is it a matter of circumscribing the ambit of the proposed legislation or simply not extending it?

  33.  We do not envisage that the consent requirement for the holding of human tissue will be different for museums than for any other sector affected by the Bill.

Spoliation and Wider Return Issues

  Question (vii): In what circumstances would the DCMS reanimate the process of seeking legislative change to allow the trustees of national museums to restore spoliated items to their pre-1933-45 owners and how would this be achievable?

  34.  I refer you to my answer to (i) above.

  Question (viii): Professor Palmer raised the possibility of establishing a single mediation and advisory body which would subsume the roles and functions of the Spoliation Panel and proposed Human Remains Panel and advise Government with regard to other, wider, repatriation issues (ie the recommended work on sacred objects). Will this proposal form part of the consultation about to be launched by DCMS in reply to the WGHR?

  35.  This is an issue I shall consider further before issuing the consultation document.

  IRAQ

  Question (ix): What is the latest state of intelligence on losses from the National Museum in Baghdad and other museums and sites around Iraq?

  36.  As was made clear in the Department's evidence to the Select Committee hearing on 8 July this year, there was a great deal of conflicting information immediately after the arrival of Coalition troops in Baghdad and it is now clear that by far the majority of the most important items in the Baghdad Museum collection had been removed for safekeeping long before the start of the recent conflict.

  37.  The original scale of losses at the Museum was thought to be as high as around 170,000 items, but this has now been re-estimated at around 3,000 items, of which 30 or so are considered to be highly significant items, probably stolen by professional thieves. It is very difficult to get a final accurate assessment of numbers of missing pieces because many of the pieces assumed missing had not been catalogued or given a museum number. Many of the missing artefacts may never be recovered at all since they were probably stolen several years ago by senior figures in the Ba'ath regime: Saddam's eldest son, Uday, is known to have made huge profits from the international trade in antiquities.

  38.  The amnesty conducted by US forces has had very positive results. Almost 2,000 items have been returned, including key pieces, such as the 5,200-year-old Sacred Vase of Warka, one of the greatest treasures of Mesopotamian antiquity, which was recovered by the Museum in June.

  39.  In addition, the Nimrud gold treasure was located intact in the vaults of the Central Bank of Iraq in early July and is now back in the bank vaults pending security improvements at the Baghdad Museum. It is intended to exhibit the Treasure at eight locations in the US, Japan and in Europe in order to raise much needed funds for the Baghdad Museum and the country's archaeological sites.

  40.  The Museum's staff have stressed that while work is continuing on preparing a detailed inventory of items still missing, they also want to now move forward on re-equipping the Museum and reopening some of the galleries as soon as possible.

  41.  In late June the British Museum sent a team to the Iraq Museum, primarily to work on a conservation survey of damaged artefacts. They are now arranging to follow up this initiative through top-up training of Iraqi conservators at the BM in London. When the security situation in Iraq is more stable, the BM plan to lead an international team of conservators who will spend three months working in Iraq helping train museum staff and promoting the spread of best practice.

  42.  The UN Security Council has adopted Resolution 1483 of May 2003 lifting sanctions on Iraq but, thanks to UK pressure, maintained the restrictions, among other goods, on the import and trade in unlawfully removed Iraqi cultural property. The Iraq (UN Sanctions) Order 2003 made under the United Nations Act 1946 brought these restrictions into effect within the UK on 14 June, with a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment. Given the emergency nature of the post-conflict looting crisis in Iraq and the potential use of the UK as a marketplace for looted Iraqi cultural objects, the UK Government implemented the UNSCR embargo on illegally removed Iraqi cultural property as comprehensively as possible.

  43.  Recent press reports indicate that three London antiquities dealers have been arrested in a secret police operation for allegedly dealing in artefacts looted from Iraq. In connection with the arrest, Police recovered an Assyrian stone relief looted in 1991 after the Gulf War from the palace of Ashur Nasir-pal II in central Iraq. The recent action illustrates the effectiveness of the Iraq (UN Sanctions) Order.

  44.  The press has just reported the seizure of further consignments of looted artefacts from Iraqi museums and sites at an airport in France and also in Kuwait, where 33 cuneiform tablets were taken from a dealer of Sardinian origin.

  45.  The new Iraqi Culture minister al-Jazairi has also announced that an official enquiry will be set up investigate the looting of museums and libraries during the recent conflict.

  46.  On the question of Iraq's archaeological sites, it is true to say that, although looting has been common in Iraq since the 1990 Gulf War, the recent conflict has escalated the situation and, despite best efforts of Coalition authorities, a high level of looting continues.

  47.  The 10,000 or so documented archaeological sites in Iraq are generally in remote desert regions. They are difficult to protect, particularly since civilian guards (paid employees of the Iraqi State Board of Antiquities) are not allowed to carry firearms. On those sites where civilian guards are stationed it is all too easy for the guards (usually only one guard) to be overrun by looters.

  48.  By the end of July this year Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) cultural staff (DCMS) struck a voluntary agreement with army commanders in each of the CPA regions to place guards on the 50 most important sites, as identified by international scholars, and to monitor the more remote sites. This surveillance has involved regular flyovers by helicopter flights or site visits from troops stationed near to the sites. Action has also been taken to ensure that salaries are paid to site-guards on the Iraqi State Board of Antiquities payroll. The CPA is currently bidding for funds to double the number of guards on archaeological sites, to arm them and to equip them with transmitter radios and all-terrain vehicles so that they can monitor vulnerable sites in conjunction with local police forces.

  49.  The return of normal archaeological activity to Iraq will greatly alleviate the problem because archaeologists generally supply their own security. But this will take some time to achieve and in the meantime the sites are vulnerable. This effectively means that the best way to reduce looting is to stabilise Iraq so that normal archaeological activity can be resumed.


 
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