Select Committee on Regulatory Reform Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum from the Fire Brigades Union

1.  INTRODUCTION

  1.1  The Fire Brigades Union (FBU) is the primary fire service trade union in the United Kingdom. We represent over 95% of all serving fire fighters and fire control staff up to the rank of Assistant Chief Fire Officer employed by local authority fire services throughout the UK. Our members provide emergency fire and rescue cover and protection for the general population and they deal daily with the many and varied incidents involving fires and rescues and assistance to the general public that they are called to.

  1.2  For many years the FBU has also been and remains a main and often leading player in the promotion of fire safety and fire prevention measures both through the education of the communities that our members serve in the dangers of fire and through the enforcement of fire safety legislation by the fire services within the UK. We are firm believers in the old adage that prevention is better than cure and have always welcomed the involvement of our members in promoting fire safety measures and enforcing fire prevention law.

  1.3  Fire services in the UK have been involved in the enforcement of fire safety legislation since 1961, when they were first given the duty to issue fire certificates in factory premises falling within the remit of section 40 of the Factories Act 1961. The Factories Act 1961 was a consolidation of three previous Factory Acts and came about as the direct result of the Keighley Mill fire in Yorkshire in 1956 where eight workers lost their lives in a fire which engulfed a multi storey woollen mill building. Since that time and sad to relate most of the subsequent fire safety legislation currently in force in the UK has been introduced as a result of fire tragedies.

  1.4  As a result of the lengthy involvement of our members in fire safety legislation we have developed a deep understanding of fire safety law and the matters that it should address. It is therefore the experiences of our members over the last 43 years that we bring to the discussions regarding certain elements of the proposed Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2004 that concern us.

  1.5  We would want the members of the Regulatory Reform Committee to understand that the FBU fully supports the principles underpinning the proposed Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2004. The Order originally started life as the FBU's Fire Safety Bill. That Bill which received approval for a Second Reading in 1996 but that parliamentary process was subsequently overtaken by the outcome of the 1997 General election has undergone a long metamorphosis to now appear as the Fire Safety Order.

  1.6  The proposed Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2004 has been seven years in development and the FBU has been party to all the Committees which have sat over that period to consider the proposals initially for a Bill and then an Order. We have not missed a meeting of any Committee which met to discuss this matter and our representation upon those Committees has always been completely consistent.

  1.7  Our aim in presenting evidence to the Regulatory Reform Committee is to ensure insofar as we are able that England Wales will have good fire safety law which will successfully replace that which exists without lessening the present standards of safety and is capable of surviving for at least another thirty years. To that end we wish to present those matters which we believe require further consideration and where we have been unable to convince those responsible for drafting the Order in the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister of the need to address those issues, or those issues that we believed were to be addressed within the Order, but have now disappeared from it.

  1.8  We shall now set down below those matters of concern to us which we believe that the Regulatory Reform Committee should give consideration too. We would also welcome the opportunity to appear before the Regulatory Reform Committee to explain our concerns.

2.  ENFORCEMENT OF THE REGULATORY REFORM (FIRE SAFETY) ORDER 2004

  2.1  Article 26 deals with enforcement of the Order and places a duty upon every enforcing authority to enforce the provisions of the Order and any regulations made thereunder and may appoint inspectors to do so. In performing that duty the enforcing authority shall have regard to such guidance as the Secretary of State may give it. Article 26 therefore mirrors quite closely the provisions of section 18 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 which are currently in force.

  2.2  However, simply placing a duty to enforce the Order without providing either a duty to carry out inspections, or to develop an enforcement programme to do so, is not sufficient in our opinion to preserve the current level of public safety or equal the current requirements of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 insofar as it relates to the issue of fire certificates. In section 5(3) of the 1971 Act the enforcing authority is under a duty to consider whether or not in the cases of premises which qualify for exemption from holding a fire certificate to grant an exemption and if they do not so agree they must inspect the premises and commence the fire certification process.

  2.3  The issue of fire certificates or the grant of exemptions from fire certification under the Fire Precautions Act 1971 also gave clear and measurable indication of the enforcement activities of the fire authorities. Once this process is removed then no equivalent measure or indeed target will exist and public confidence in the Order could well be jeopardised. It should be noted that there are no national targets in force or proposed that we are aware of relating to the fire safety enforcement activities of fire and rescue authorities once the Best Value Performance Indicator (BVPI) for the issue of fire certificates is withdrawn.

  2.4  This matter was discussed at length in the Fire Safety Legislation Sub Committee of the Fire Safety Advisory Board (initially created under the auspices of the Home Office and finally removed by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister). The issue of public confidence in the Order and the maintenance of public safety once fire certification was removed was a major concern. It was agreed that if public confidence in the effectiveness of the Order in ensuring continuing public safety once fire certification was removed was to be ensured then this would rest entirely upon the level of enforcement activities of the enforcing authorities.

  2.5  It was proposed that to ensure public confidence in the effectiveness of the Order in ensuring continuing public safety once fire certification was removed the enforcing authority should be placed under a duty to institute, develop and maintain an enforcement programme. The enforcement programme would include details of how the authority might determine the frequency with which it will inspect premises to which the Order applies in order to monitor and encourage compliance with the law. It was also proposed that the enforcement programme in terms of frequencies and numbers of inspections might be made public so that the general public could see that the fire safety activities of the enforcing authority were properly focused and not diminished.

  2.6  This proposal was circulated as part of the Consultation Paper entitled "A consultation document on the reform of fire safety legislation" issued by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM) in July 2002. In the subsequent responses received by the ODPM to this proposal 26 respondents were in favour of the proposal and there was not one opposed to it. It was assumed therefore that a duty would be contained in the Order which would require an enforcing authority to develop and publish an enforcement programme as described in paragraph 2.5 above. This proposal, for which there is considerable support, has not been implemented within the Order.

  2.7  We believe that if such a provision is not made within the Order then there is a risk that the Order will fail by virtue of section 3(a) of the Regulatory Reform Act 2001 as it removes a necessary protection currently enjoyed. We recommend therefore that a duty as described within paragraph 2.5 above be incorporated into the Order at this time.

3.  DEFINITION OF ESCAPE

  3.1  We are concerned for the following reasons that the Order fails to define the term "escape".

  3.2  As a result of problems experienced by fire authorities in enforcing the Fire Precautions Act 1971 regarding the termination of means of escape routes provided from premises, the 1971 Act was amended to define the term "escape". The reason for this was simple, the 1971 Act initially dealt with escape from premises which were defined as "buildings" or "parts of buildings" so once the person escaping from a fire was at an exit from a building they were deemed to be safe. In real life however, it was found that on occasion some exits which afforded a means of escape in case of fire from the building they served often led into an enclosed courtyard or area from which there was no further escape.

  3.3  In those instances the fire authority was powerless to impose any further requirements upon the owner or occupier as their powers ceased at the external walls of the building. This anomaly was removed from the 1971 Act by the following definition which was inserted into the 1971 Act as section 5(5) of that Act by virtue of section 4(2) of the Fire Safety & Safety Of Places of Sport Act 1987:

    In this Act "escape", in relation to a premises means escape from them to some place of safety beyond the building which constitute or comprises the premises and any area enclosed by it or enclosed with it; and accordingly for the purposes of any provision of this Act relating to means of escape, consideration may be given to, and conditions or requirements imposed as respects any place or thing by means of which a person escapes from premises to a place of a safety.

  3.4  The definition of "premises" in the Order is wider than that of "premises" in the 1971 Act and means "any place". It can therefore be argued that there is no need to define "escape" for the purposes of the Order however, for the avoidance of doubt and to remove any possibility of the problems experienced with the 1971 Act being replicated we would recommend that it is. A suggested wording is set out below:

    "escape" in relation to premises means escape from them to some place of safety beyond the premises and any area enclosed by it or enclosed with it; and accordingly for the purposes of any provision of this Order relating to means of escape, consideration may be given to any place or thing by means of which a person escapes from premises to a place of a safety.

4.  ARTICLE 13 AND ARTICLE 14

  4.1  In articles 13 and 14 of the Order we see that the words "where necessary" are inserted in relation to the duties of the responsible person in respect of:

    (a)

    the provision of fire-fighting equipment (article13(1)(a)), and

    (b)

    ensuring that routes to emergency exits from premises and the exits themselves are kept clear at all times (article14(1))

  We believe that this caveat of "where necessary" inserted in relation to these specific duties to be placed upon the responsible person is both unnecessary and constitutes a lowering of existing standards and the removal of an existing protection. We also believe that this caveat is outside the requirements of the Workplace Directive (89/654/EEC). We further believe that by doing so Section 3(1)(a) of the Regulatory Reform Act 2001 is also breached.

  4.2  We shall deal first with the impact of the caveat of "where necessary" upon the application of the Workplace Directive which was previously replicated complete with this caveat in relation to fire-fighting equipment within the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997 (as amended). We complained about this at the time of the introduction of the 1997 Regulations, but were told that it could not be avoided as the Home Office was under pressure to introduce the Regulations which were nearly four years behind the specified date for introduction to avoid infraction proceedings by the European Commission.

  4.3  In the Workplace Directive both the supporting Annexes to it (which set down minimum safety and health requirements for workplaces used for the first time or already in use at the time of the Directive) set down the same requirement in the case of fire-fighting equipment which reads as follows;

    Depending on the dimensions and use of the buildings, the equipment they contain, the physical and chemical properties of the substances present and the maximum potential number of people present, workplaces must be equipped with appropriate fire-fighting equipment and, as necessary, with fire alarms and alarm systems.

  4.4  We believe that it is clear from the Workplace Directive that workplaces must be equipped with some form of fire-fighting equipment that is appropriate to deal with the risks present in the workplace. What is at question is what the appropriate firefighting equipment is, not that it should be provided at all. It should also be noted that historically all UK based fire safety legislation has always required the provision of fire-fighting equipment in workplaces and similar premises for the safety of both the person and the mitigation of the effects of fire.

  4.5  By adding the caveat "where necessary" in relation to firefighting equipment the responsible person may, as a result of his risk assessment, choose not to provide any such equipment at all and indeed this has happened already with the 1997 Workplace Regulations. In view of the fact that the Order removes the fire safety elements of a number of local Acts that contain quite clear and unambiguous requirements for the provision of suitable fire-fighting equipment we believe strongly that a necessary existing protection would be removed which would breach Section 3(1)(a) of the Regulatory Reform Act 2001.

  4.6  In relation to the matter of the maintenance of escape routes and emergency exits from obstruction and available for use we are even more astonished by the insertion of such a caveat. Article 6 of the Workplace Directive states, inter alia, the following;

  To safeguard the safety and health of workers the employer shall see to it that;

    -  traffic routes to emergency exits and the exits themselves are kept clear at all times

  This requirement is then replicated in both Annexes to the Directive. We are at a loss therefore, to understand how the ODPM have come to the conclusion that this requirement which is also a staple and fundamental requirement for UK based fire safety legislation can be qualified by the term "where necessary". It really is a recipe for a disaster.

5.  ARTICLE 2—MEANING OF RELEVANT PERSON

  5.1  We are unhappy that the Order effectively bars fire-fighters from receiving its protection by excluding them from the definition of a "relevant person". Whilst we can understand that the responsible person may not be placed under a duty of care with regard to their safety whilst fire-fighting as that is the responsibility of their employers and managers, however we certainly believe that a responsible person should be placed under a duty of care:

    (a)

    to ensure that if fire-fighters attend their premises for any non emergency reason they are treated exactly the same as any other employee from an outside employer, and

    (b)

    to offer any assistance that he reasonably can in terms of advice, information or specialist equipment or personnel whilst they are attending an emergency incident at his premises, and

    (c)

    to ensure that if he introduces hazardous materials or substances into his premises for the first time or which are likely to significantly increase the existing risk of fire or explosion he advises the fire service of the presence, location and quantity of such materials, and

    (d)

    to ensure that if he propose alterations to the layout of the premises that may affect the efficiency or effectiveness of any fire safety measures provided for the assistance of the fire service that he consults them before doing so.

  5.2  We would ask the Regulatory Reform Committee to consider this issue and to seek to ensure that fire-fighters receive the protection of the Order insofar as they consider it is proper for them to do so.

6.  ARTICLE 49—APPLICATION TO THE CROWN AND TO THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT

  6.1  The FBU remains deeply concerned at the continuation in the Order of the principle of Crown Immunity from prosecution and the principle that Crown premises should be the subject of a separate inspection regime by a separate group of fire safety inspectors that are effectively employed by the government to those fire safety inspectors employed by the local fire and rescue authority whose members will then have to fight any fires or effect any rescues in those premises.

  6.2  We accept that it is the stated intent of the government to remove this outdated anomaly across the whole range of safety legislation when parliamentary time allows however, we see no Bill or other statutory proposal emerging on the political horizon that would indicate to us that this is likely to happen very soon.

  6.3  This issue has been discussed at a number of levels including the Fire Safety Legislation Sub Group of the Fire Safety Advisory Board of the ODPM where the proposal to retain the principle in the draft Fire Safety Order was rejected unanimously by the members of the Group. This move was then endorsed by the full membership of the Fire Safety Advisory Board. We understand that the real problem however rests within government where it has not been possible to decide whom should assume overall responsibility for any contraventions of fire or general safety law if Crown Immunity is withdrawn.

  6.4  We believe that the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2004 offers the first significant legislative opportunity to remove this outdated and outmoded practice. Clearly if government and parliament are determined to set their own houses in order and to seek a parity of legislative involvement with those in the public and private sectors upon whom they intend to impose the Order then now is the opportunity to demonstrate that commitment.

May 2004





 
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