Select Committee on Regulatory Reform Minutes of Evidence


Supplementary memorandum from the Head of Fire Safety Legislation Branch, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister

DEFINITION OF "ESCAPE"In evidence to the Committee, the Fire Brigades Union suggested that the term "escape" should be defined in the RRO. The FBU noted that, in relation to the Fire Precautions Act 1971, problems had arisen with occupiers terminating means of escape in enclosed courtyards which although away from the building (and so the scope of the fire certificate) could not be regarded as a place of safety in the event of a fire. As a result a definition of "escape" had been added to the Act. The Union also noted that the definition of premises in the RRO is much wider than in the Fire Precautions Act and the protection afforded by the RRO would also apply to relevant persons in the vicinity of the premises who may be placed at risk by a fire on the premises.

  ODPM would draw to the Committee's attention that under the Order as drafted, it is necessary for the responsible person to consider the risk to persons and in and around any place for which they have responsibility. Consequently provision of means of escape from the premises to a place of safety could not result in the means of escape ending in an area in the vicinity of the premises where relevant persons would still be at risk in case of fire.

  Therefore, the reasons why it was necessary to define "escape" in the Fire Precautions Act 1971 simply do not arise in relation to the RRO and we do not think it is necessary to include such a definition.

USE OF "WHERE NECESSARY" IN ARTICLES 13 AND 14 OF THE DRAFT ORDER

  In response to a question from the Committee, the matter of use of the term "where necessary" was discussed. I believe this was a point raised by the Fire Brigades Union when giving evidence. I drew attention to the preliminary note to the Directive and it may assist the Committee if I expand on what was said at the time.

  There are two elements to the assertions made by the Fire Brigades Union and the Chief Fire Officers' Association in evidence to the Committee about use of the term "where necessary".

  The first is that, in the view of the FBU, use of the term may contravene the requirements of European Directive 89/654/EEC.The second is that it may remove necessary protection.

  The two points are inter-linked and I will deal with the European point first.

  Attention was drawn by the Fire Brigades Union to the minimum requirements laid down in Annexes 1 and 2 of the Directive—notably paragraphs 4.1 to 4.7—which concern means of escape—and paragraphs 5.1 and 5.2 which concern fire fighting equipment. The FBU suggest that these are absolute requirements. That is not the case. The preliminary note (paragraph 1) to the Annex states that

  "the obligations laid down in the Annex apply whenever required by the features of the workplace, the activity, the circumstances or a hazard"

  We have built that caveat in to Articles 13 and 14 by use of the term—"where necessary"—as we did for the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations.

  On the second point about necessary protection, we do not believe such protection is removed. Indeed, how could it be removed by a regime that requires these fire precautions to be present when they are necessary to safeguard the safety of persons? Of course the regime would not require precautions to be present when they are not necessary. But if they are not necessary to protect people then we take the view that the precautions are not providing a necessary protection.

  I should explain that although it may have been possible under the Fire Precautions Act to require a particular fire precaution be in place regardless of risk, the European Directive based Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations over-ride that and a risk assessment showing the provision is not necessary would require the fire authority to change the fire certificate. So the proposal, which maintains the level of protection provided by the fire regulations, takes nothing away from the level of necessary protection.

READ ACROSS TO HEALTH AND SAFETY LEGISLATION

  During discussion on 29 June, the question was asked about read across to health and safety legislation—with specific reference to use of co-terminous wording. It may be of assistance to the Committee to know that articles 8(a), 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 39, 40 and 41 are identical, or very similar, to existing health and safety requirements (in particular 8(a)—and the defence of so far as is reasonably practical). In developing the RRO we took great pains to ensure consistency with H & S. The enforcement provisions are also modelled on the 1974 Act.

  One difference we have included is that so far as possible within the constraints of European law, the provisions are subject to a due diligence defence—which does not apply to health and safety regulations.

PUBLICITY FOR THE NEW REGIME

  In evidence we discussed the ODPM proposals for guidance and publicity. On the latter point, it may assist the Committee to know that we are developing, in conjunction with stakeholders, a publicity campaign to promote the new fire safety regime. A group consisting of stakeholders which includes those representing both the large business sector: the Confederation of British Industry, and also those representing the small business that is the Federation of Small Business and Small Business Service, meet on a regular basis with the aim of ensuring the formulation of an effective and informative publicity strategy.

  With stakeholders we have identified that the micro to small business sector could be difficult to target and with this in mind it is likely that we will be writing to all businesses as well as undertaking other activities. We expect the activities undertaken will include publicity within Trade Association Publications and a leaflet to be distributed by stakeholders. Consideration is also being given to radio advertising as this is seen as an effective means of reaching the target audience. I should stress that no final decisions have yet been taken on the detail of the media to be used and work continues in this area.

  ODPM recognise the possible need for further advertising beyond the initial campaign and following the introduction of the new regime. We are therefore looking into this (together with stakeholders), taking into account other publicity activity that may be underway at the time—both by ODPM and the stakeholders we are working with.

7 July 2004


 
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