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WEDNESDAY 3 DECEMBER 2003

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Lessons of Iraq: Rear Admiral David Snelson, UK Maritime Component Commander, Operation Telic and Brigadier James Dutton CBE ADC, Commander, 3 Commando Brigade, Royal Marines, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 10 December at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 10 DECEMBER

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World).—(The Chairman)

   Draft Report (Armed Forces Pensions and Compensation), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

   Paragraphs 1 to 142 read and agreed to.

   Annexes (Summary and Glossary) agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

   Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

   Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 16 December at 2.30 pm

TUESDAY 16 DECEMBER 2003

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Lessons of Iraq: Air Vice Marshal Mike Heath CBE, ex-Director, Targeting and Information Operations, and Wing Commander Ian Chalmers, Assistant Director, Information Operations, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 December at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 17 DECEMBER 2003

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

Lessons of Iraq: Sir Kevin Tebbit KCB CMG, Permanent Under Secretary, Air Vice Marshal Clive Loader OBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), and Mr Ian Lee, Director General, Operational Policy, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

   Lessons of Iraq: Mr Edward Chaplin OBE, Director, Middle East and North Africa, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Ms Carolyn Miller, Director, Europe, Middle East and Americas Division, Department for International Development, were examined, and Air Vice Marshal Clive Loader OBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), and Mr Ian Lee, Director General, Operational Policy, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 7 January at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 7 JANUARY 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from Rt Hon David Blunkett, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for the Home Department, concurrently with the Home Affairs Committee on matters relating to Homeland Security.—(The Chairman)

   Lessons of Iraq: Mr Trevor Woolley, Finance Director, Mr Paul Flaherty CBE, Civil Secretary, Permanent Joint Headquarters, and Mr David Williams, Director, Capability, Resources and Scrutiny, Ministry of Defence , were examined.

   Lessons of Iraq: Lieutenant General Rob Fulton, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Equipment Capability), Air Vice Marshal Stephen Dalton, Capability Manager (Information Superiority), and Major General Dick Applegate OBE, Capability Manager (Manoeuvre), Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 21 January at 9.45 am

WEDNESDAY 21 JANUARY 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Lessons of Iraq: Mr Edward Chaplin CMG OBE, Director, Middle East and North Africa, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Ms Carolyn Miller, Director, Europe, Middle East and Americas Division, Department for International Development, Air Vice Marshal Clive Loader OBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), Ministry of Defence, and Mr Ian Lee, Director General, Operational Policy, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 21 JANUARY 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Lessons of Iraq: Lieutenant General Anthony Palmer CBE, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Personnel), Group Captain Barbara Cooper CBE, Deputy Director, Service Personnel Policy Operations and Manning, Group Captain Nigel Beet, Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff, J1 (Personnel and Administration), Permanent Joint Headquarters, and Colonel Andrew Cowling OBE, Deputy Chief of Staff, 1 (UK) Armoured Division, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 28 January at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 28 JANUARY 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do host a conference of defence committee chairpersons during the UK Presidency of the European Union.—(The Chairman)

Draft Report (Annual Report 2003), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

   Paragraphs 1 to 60 read and agreed to.

   Annexes (Informal Meetings during 2003 and Specialist advice sought during 2003) agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.

[Adjourned till Thursday 5 February at 11.00 am

THURSDAY 5 FEBRUARY 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Duty of Care in the Armed Forces.—(The Chairman)

   Lessons of Iraq: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, Ministry of Defence, was examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 25 February at 10.00 am

WEDNESDAY 25 FEBRUARY 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Iraq.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Iraq in connection with its inquiry into Iraq.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visit.

[Adjourned till this day at 3.00 pm

WEDNESDAY 25 FEBRUARY 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

   The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.

Members present:

Defence CommitteeForeign Affairs CommitteeInternational Development CommitteeTrade and Industry Committee
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
Mr Donald Anderson
Mr Fabian Hamilton
Sir John Stanley
Mr Tony Baldry
Mr John Battle
Ann Clwyd
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Quentin Davies
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill

   Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).

   The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).

   Resolved, That the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees do visit Brussels and Paris in connection with their inquiry into Strategic Export Controls.—(Mr Roger Berry)

   Ordered, That Mr Roger Berry do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visit.

   Strategic Export Controls: Rt Hon Jack Straw, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr Edward Oakden, CMG, Director International Security, and Mr David Landsman, Head, Counter-Proliferation Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 2 March at 2.45 pm

TUESDAY 2 MARCH 2004

The Defence and Home Affairs Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:

Defence CommitteeHome Affairs Committee
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers
Janet Anderson
Mr David Cameron
Mrs Janet Dean
Mr Gwyn Prosser
Mr Marsha Singh
Mr John Taylor
David Winnick

   Mr Bruce George was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

   The Committees deliberated.

   Homeland Security: Rt Hon David Blunkett, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for the Home Department, Mr Robert Whalley, Director of Counter-Terrorism, Home Office, Sir David Omand KCB, Security and Intelligence Co-ordinator and Permanent Secretary and Ms Cheryl Plumridge, Director, Capabilities, Civil Contingencies Secretariat, Cabinet Office, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 3 March at 10.00 am

WEDNESDAY 3 MARCH 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Northern Ireland.—(The Chairman)

   Draft Report (Lessons of Iraq), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 3 MARCH 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Draft Report (Lessons of Iraq), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

   Paragraphs 1 to 519 read and agreed to.

   Annex (List of Abbreviations) agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

   Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

   Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 March at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 17 MARCH 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Defence Procurement.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That Mike Gapes do visit France on 7-8 September to attend the Second Summer Defence Conference of the National Defence and Armed Forces Committee of the French National Assembly, in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visit.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 24 March at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 24 MARCH 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Land Command HQ, in connection with the inquiry into the Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World).—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That Mike Gapes and Mr Kevan Jones do visit Land Command HQ, Wiltshire, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into the Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World).—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Strike Command, Buckinghamshire, in connection with the inquiry into the Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World).—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Fleet HQ, Portsmouth, in connection with the inquiry into the Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World).—(The Chairman)

   The Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World): General Sir Michael Walker GCB CMG CBE ADC Gen, Chief of the Defence Staff, Admiral Sir Alan West GCB DSC ADC, First Sea Lord, General Sir Mike Jackson KCB CBE DSO ADC Gen, Chief of the General Staff, and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup KCB AFC ADC, Chief of the Air Staff, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 31 March at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 31 MARCH 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World): Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, and Sir Kevin Tebbit KCB CMG, Permanent Under Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 20 April at 9.45 am

TUESDAY 20 APRIL 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr David Crausby
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World): General Sir Michael Walker GCB CMG CBE ADC Gen, Chief of the Defence Staff, Admiral Sir Alan West GCB DSC ADC, First Sea Lord, General Sir Mike Jackson KCB CBE DSO ADC Gen, Chief of the General Staff, and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup KCB AFC ADC, Chief of the Air Staff, Ministry of Defence were further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 21 April 2004 at 9.30 am

WEDNESDAY 21 APRIL 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

   The Defence, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.

Members present:

Defence CommitteeInternational Development CommitteeTrade and Industry Committee
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr Bruce George
Mr John Battle
Mr Quentin Davies
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill

   Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).

   The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).

   Strategic Export Controls: Mr Ed Cairns, Oxfam, Mr Roy Isbister, Saferworld, and Mr Robert Parker, Amnesty International; and Mr David Hayes, Rolls Royce plc, Mr Tim Otter, Smiths Detection, Mr David Balfour, SABRE Ballistics, and Mrs Susan Griffiths, MBDA UK Ltd, were examined.

[Adjourned till this day at 4.00 pm

WEDNESDAY 21 APRIL 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Upavon, Wiltshire and RAF Halton, Buckinghamshire, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit BAE Systems, Barrow-in-Furness.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Farnborough Airshow, Hampshire.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That Professor Chistopher Dandecker, Professor Stephen Palmer, Professor Cary Cooper CBE and Professor Michael Kerfoot be appointed as Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 May at 10.00 am

WEDNESDAY 5 MAY 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A.

Members present:

Defence CommitteeForeign Affairs CommitteeInternational Development CommitteeTrade and Industry Committee
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Fabian Hamilton
Mr Andrew Mackay
Mr John Maples
Sir John Stanley
John Barrett
Mr John Battle
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Piara S Khabra
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill
Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(d).

The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(b).

Draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2002, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be considered concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A (1)(c).

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 250 read and agreed to.

Annexes (Summary and Letter from the Chairman to the Foreign Secretary) agreed to.

DEFENCE COMMITTEE

The Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees withdrew.

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin BluntRachel Squire

Resolved, That the draft Report (Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2002, Licensing Policy and Parliamentary Scrutiny), prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 137A (2) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That Mr Roger Berry do make the Joint Report to the House.

[Adjourned till this day at 4.00 pm

WEDNESDAY 5 MAY 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Mr Crispin Blunt declared a pecuniary interest in relation to the inquiry into Defence Procurement as a consultant with Alenia Marconi Systems; and declared that he would take no further part in the said inquiry.

   Defence Procurement: Sir Richard Evans, Chairman, BAE Systems, and Chairman, Defence Industries Council, Mr Nick Prest, Chairman and Chief Executive, Alvis, and Vice-Chairman, Defence Industries Council, Mr John Howe, Vice-Chairman, Thales UK, and Mr Simon Frost, Chief Executive, Claverham, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 May at 9.45 am

WEDNESDAY 12 MAY 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Ministry of Defence Annual Report and Accounts 2002–03: Sir Kevin Tebbit KCB CMG, Permanent Under-Secretary of State, was further examined, and Mr Trevor Woolley, Finance Director, Ministry of Defence, was examined.

[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 12 MAY 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr Dai Havard
Mike Gapes
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Army Training Regiment, Lichfield, Staffordshire, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Halton, Buckinghamshire, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Recruit Selection Centre, Glencorse, Edinburgh, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit HMS Raleigh, Cornwall and Commando Training Centre, Lympstone, Devon, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Army Foundation College, Harrogate and School of Infantry, Catterick, North Yorkshire, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Defence Procurement: Sir Peter Spencer KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, Ministry of Defence, was examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 25 May at 9.30 am

TUESDAY 25 MAY 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Defence Procurement: Lord Bach, a Member of the House of Lords, Minister for Defence Procurement, Ministry of Defence was examined, and Lieutenant General Rob Fulton, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Equipment Capability), and Sir Peter Spencer KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 26 May at 10.00 am

WEDNESDAY 26 MAY 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

   The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:

Defence CommitteeForeign Affairs CommitteeInternational Development CommitteeTrade and Industry Committee
Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Andrew Mackay
Mr Bill Olner
Sir John Stanley
John Barrett
Mr John Battle
Mr Tony Colman
Mr Quentin Davies
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans
Mr Martin O'Neill

Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).

    The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).

[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 26 MAY 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the Third Report from the Committee: Lessons of Iraq) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the First Special Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Iraq in connection with its inquiry into Iraq.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces in Cyprus.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visits.

   Duty of Care: Lieutenant General Anthony Palmer, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Personnel), Ministry of Defence, was further examined, and Rear Admiral Simon Goodall, Director General Training and Education, Colonel David Eccles, Chief of Staff, Army Training and Recruiting Agency (ATRA), and Mr Julian Miller, Director General of Service Personnel Policy, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 16 June at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 16 JUNE 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Rachel Squire

   In the absence of the Chairman, Rachel Squire was called to the Chair.

   The Committee deliberated.

   Ordered, That Mr Kevan Jones and Mr Peter Viggers do visit RAF Halton, Buckinghamshire, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Mr Bruce George took the Chair.

   Duty of Care: Mr Lawrence Waterman, President-Elect, and Mr Jeremy Corfield, Corporate Member, Institution of Occupational Safety and Health; Professor Geoff Chivers, Director, and Mr Tom Mulhall, Director of Security Programmes, Centre for Hazard and Risk Management (CHaRM), Loughborough University, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 23 June at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 23 JUNE 2004

Members present:

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Peter Viggers was called to the Chair.

   Draft Report (Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

   Paragraphs 1 to 166 read and agreed to.

   Annexes (Summary and List of Abbreviations) agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That Mr Peter Viggers do make the Report to the House.

   Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

   Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

   Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.

   Continuing Operations in Iraq: Major General Nick Houghton CBE, Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations), and Mr Martin Howard, Director General, Operational Policy, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 30 June at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 30 JUNE 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do not recommend the renewal of the 1958 UK/US Mutual Defence Agreement for debate prior to its ratification.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That Mr James Cran and Mr David Crausby do visit HMS Raleigh and CTCRM Lympstone for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Duty of Care: Lieutenant Colonel (Retd) Richard Haes OBE; and Mrs Denise Murphy, Head of Services Welfare & Customer Services Director, and Mrs Morag Antrobus, Senior Operations Manager, Services Welfare, Womens Royal Voluntary Service, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 7 July at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 7 JULY 2004

Members present

Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones

In the absence of the Chairman, Mike Gapes was called to the Chair.

The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Ministry of Defence's proposals for a Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill—(Mike Gapes)

   Ordered, That Mr James Cran and Mr David Crausby do visit BAE Systems, Barrow-in-Furness, for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Defence Procurement.—(Mike Gapes)

   Duty of Care: Professor Keith Hawton, Director, Centre for Suicide Research, and Professor of Psychiatry, Oxford University, and Professor Simon Wessely, Director, King's Centre for Military Health Research, and Professor of Pyschiatry, King's College London; Ms Sandra Caldwell, Director, Field Operations Directorate, and Ms Elizabeth Gyngell, Head of Division, Better Working Environment Directorate, Health and Safety Executive, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 14 July at 2.00 pm

WEDNESDAY 14 JULY 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Draft Report (Defence Procurement), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

   Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

   Paragraphs 1 to 152 read and agreed to.

   Annexes (Summary and List of Abbreviations) agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the Sixth Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

   Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

   Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

   Ordered, That several memoranda be reported to the House.

   Duty of Care: Mr David Sherlock, Chief Inspector, Ms Lesley Davies, Assistant Director of Inspection, and Ms Barbara Hughes, Inspector, Adult Learning Inspectorate; Commodore Paul Branscombe CBE, Deputy Controller, Service Support, and Ms Kate Burgess OBE, Director of Social Work, Soldiers', Sailors' and Airmen's Families Association (SSAFA) Forces Help, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 21 July at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 21 JULY

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Armed Forces' Future Capabilities.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That the Chairman do visit RAF Halton 26–27 July to attend a Care of Trainees Course for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Defence College of Logistics, Deepcut and School of Defence Catering, St Omer, Surrey, in connection with its inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit HMS Collingwood and HMS Sultan, Hampshire in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit DEF College of CIS Blandford, and ARMR Centre Bovington, Dorset in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Cosford, Wolverhampton in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit Hendon Police College, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 8 September at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 8 SEPTEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire.

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Adult Learning Inspectorate's Administrative Centre, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Armed Forces Chaplaincy Centre, Andover, in connection with the inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 15 September at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 15 SEPTEMBER

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Draft Special Report (Government Observations on the Fifth Report from the Committee: Defence White Paper 2003 (Delivering Security in a Changing World)) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read the first and second time, and agreed to.

   Resolved, That the Report be the Second Special Report of the Committee to the House.

   Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

   Future Capabilities: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, Sir Kevin Tebbit KCB CMG, Permanent Under Secretary of State, and General Sir Michael Walker GCB CMG CBE ADC Gen, Chief of Defence Staff, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 13 October at 10.00 am

WEDNESDAY 13 OCTOBER 2004

[MORNING SITTING]

The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:

Defence CommitteeForeign Affairs CommitteeInternational Development CommitteeTrade and Industry Committee
Mike Gapes
Mr Bruce George
Rachel Squire
Mr Donald Anderson
Sir John Stanley
John Barrett
Ann Clwyd
Mr Quentin Davies
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Nigel Evans

   Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).

   The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).

[Adjourned till this day at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 13 OCTOBER 2004

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Resolved, That the conference of Defence committee chairpersons during the UK Presidency of the European Union should be held on 7—8 November.

   Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill: memorandum from the Ministry of Defence ordered to be reported to the House.

   Duty of Care: Mr Dennis O'Connor CBE, former Chief Constable, Surrey Police, and Chief Superintendent Craig Denholm, Surrey Police, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 20 October at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 20 OCTOBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Peter Viggers took the Chair.

   The Committee deliberated.

   Mr Bruce George took the Chair.

   Ordered, That James Cran do visit Montenegro, 28—30 November to attend the Third Meeting of the Centinje Parliamentary Forum, in a representative capacity.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with said visit.

   Future Capabilities: Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup KCB AFC ADC, Chief of the Air Staff, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 27 October at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 27 OCTOBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Crispin Blunt
Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Rachel Squire
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Tri-Service Armed Forces Bill: Mr Julian Miller, Director General Service Personnel Policy, Mrs Teresa Jones, Head of Armed Forces Bill Team, Captain Peter Crabtree OBE, Armed Forces Bill Team, Brigadier Stephen Andrews CBE, Director Personnel Services (Army), Air Commodore Dusty Amroliwala OBE, Director Personnel and Training Policy (RAF), and Mr Humphrey Morrison, Legal Adviser, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 2 November at 3.45 pm

TUESDAY 2 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr David Crausby
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Continuing Operations in Iraq: Rt Hon Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 3 November at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 3 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Ordered, That the Chairman do visit the Adult Learning Inspectorate's Administration Centre for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Ordered, That Mr James Cran and Mr Dai Havard do visit HMS Collingwood and HMS Sultan for the purposes of the Committee's inquiry into Duty of Care.—(The Chairman)

   Future Capabilities: General Sir Mike Jackson KCB CBE DSO ADC Gen, Chief of the General Staff, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 10 November at 2.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 10 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mike Gapes
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Kevan Jones
Mr Frank Roy
Mr Peter Viggers

   The Committee deliberated.

   Duty of Care: Brigadier Mungo Melvin OBE, Director of Operational Capability, Group Captain Stephen J Howard RAF, Assistant Director Operational Capability, Ministry of Defence, were examined, and Rear Admiral Simon Goodall, Director General Training and Education, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 November at 9.45 am

WEDNESDAY 17 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Dai Havard
Mr Richard Ottaway
Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

   The Committee deliberated.

   Future Capabilities: Air Chief Marshal Sir Malcolm Pledger KCB OBE AFC, Chief of Defence Logistics, Major General A J Raper CBE, Defence Logistics Transformation Programme Team Leader, and Major General M D Wood CBE, Director General Logistics (Supply Chain), Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 24 November at 2.30 pm

 
 
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