Examination of Witness (Questions 80-99)
15 JULY 2003
DR DAVID
KELLY
Q80 Mr Maples: You did not go to
the site at the time?
Dr Kelly: Not at the time. I have
been there since to investigate other claims.
Q81 Mr Maples: Not in 1995 when you
were there with UNSCOM?
Dr Kelly: The site I actually
went to in September 1995, but not to investigate that aspect.
Q82 Mr Maples: Is your only evidence
for this what General Shaheen told you? Did you check that out
through documents or whatever?
Dr Kelly: Subsequently documents
were found and there is a document that has been provided to the
United Nations, a document which has been leaked by the Wisconsin
Institute and which, unfortunately, is now available on the Internet.
Q83 Mr Maples: Do you think that
is true?
Dr Kelly: Undoubtedly it is true.
Q84 Mr Maples: I do not think it
is given much, if any, prominence in the dossier, either in the
history or in current threats, and yet if Iraq had the technology
and ability to detonate a dirty nuclear bomb I would have thought
that was pretty significant. I hesitate to say that there is no
mention of it in here because I may have missed it, but I do not
think there is.
Dr Kelly: I am not sure it is
for me to discuss the dossier.
Q85 Mr Maples: This is your subject.
Dr Kelly: We are talking about
an historical aspect of some 15 years ago. Iraq claimed, and I
think we believed them, that that project was terminated in 1988.
Q86 Mr Maples: When you were writing
the historical bit of this in May and June, did that feature in
what you wrote?
Dr Kelly: No.
Q87 Mr Maples: Is there some reason
why it was left out?
Dr Kelly: Essentially it had to
be a concise account and you cannot include everything.
Mr Maples: A dirty nuclear bomb I would
have thought was pretty significant myself.
Chairman: We are concentrating on Gilligan.
Mr Maples: I know, but this is the dossier
and Dr Kelly had a part in it.
Q88 Andrew Mackinlay: You told us
that you discovered about the Niger issue from the press.
Dr Kelly: Let me get this straight.
I was aware of the Niger issue in the dossier, of course, I read
the dossier. After that I had no insight into it until it appeared
in the press when the International Atomic Energy Authority made
its comments.
Q89 Andrew Mackinlay: And you had
a conversation with Gilligan after that, did you not?
Dr Kelly: I did.
Q90 Andrew Mackinlay: You did?
Dr Kelly: I did.
Q91 Andrew Mackinlay: And at that
conversation obiter dicta, by the way, you said "That
is all dodgy", or whatever words you used, but basically
that was what you said, was it not?
Dr Kelly: No.
Q92 Andrew Mackinlay: You did not?
Dr Kelly: No.
Q93 Andrew Mackinlay: You discussed
it?
Dr Kelly: It came up.
Q94 Andrew Mackinlay: What did you
say?
Dr Kelly: I just confirmed that,
in fact, Baradei had made the statements that he had made because
that was the only knowledge that I had.
Q95 Andrew Mackinlay: You did not
pass any other comment on it?
Dr Kelly: Did I pass any other
comment?
Q96 Andrew Mackinlay: Yes.
Dr Kelly: No.
Q97 Andrew Mackinlay: What did you
tell Gilligan about the process by which the September dossier
was compiled? Did you explain to him your role?
Dr Kelly: No. I was not involved
in the process of its compilation so I was not in a position to
discuss it.
Q98 Andrew Mackinlay: You were aware
that it was signed off by the JIC Chairman, that is correct, is
it not?
Dr Kelly: I am aware that the
Joint Intelligence Committee was involved in the final compilation,
yes.
Q99 Andrew Mackinlay: What was your
understanding of who put the final imprimatur, the final seal,
on the document?
Dr Kelly: I was not involved in
that process and I did not have that understanding.
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